Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-17 Thread Knudsen, Patricia
ugp01 [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 2:13 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer Never heard of this in Europe, for N.A. look at this video. http://www.ul.com/global/eng/pages/offerings/perspectives/consumer/productsafety/tu

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-15 Thread McInturff, Gary
example) Not a lawyer by either trade nor inclination -Original Message- From: John Shinn [mailto:jmsh...@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:43 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer Peter is correct. The Lawyers will usuall

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-15 Thread John Shinn
Peter is correct. The Lawyers will usually list everyone remotely associated with the product, including the retailer who sold it. John Shinn -Original Message- From: Peter Tarver Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:53 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] CE marking

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-15 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
elves. Ralph McDiarmid | Schneider Electric | Renewable Energies Business | CANADA | Regulatory Compliance Engineering From: Peter Tarver To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: 11/15/2011 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-15 Thread Peter Tarver
> From: ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com [mailto:ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 08:51 > > I don't think UL would be sued; the manufacturer is ultimately liable.  The is little or no > benefit of 3rd party certification of a product under Tort law.

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-15 Thread McInturff, Gary
.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com [mailto:ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 8:51 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer I don't think UL would be sued; the manufacturer is ultimately liable. The is little

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-15 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
ctric | Renewable Energies Business | CANADA | Regulatory Compliance Engineering From: John Woodgate To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: 11/14/2011 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer In message <4ec19e99.7060...@aol.com>, dated Mon, 14 Nov 2011, Derek Walton

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-14 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Tue, 15 Nov 2011, John Woodgate writes: In message o soft.com>, dated Mon, 14 Nov 2011, Ted Eckert writes: If the fryer is used by laymen, IEC 60335-2-13 is likely the correct standard. Its scope includes the following text. "Appliances intended for normal household

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-14 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Mon, 14 Nov 2011, John Woodgate writes: In message , dated Mon, 14 Nov 2011, Pete Perkins writes: Looking for input on requirements for CE marking of a commercial deep-fat fryer. What's the latest? IEC 60335-2-13 Edition 6.0 (2009-12-14) Household and simi

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-14 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Mon, 14 Nov 2011, Nick Williams writes: 60335-2-37 is for commercial appliances but isn't much use for gas fired or food factory type equipment. That's peculiar: I thought that such a standard existed but a search of the IEC SC61E web site didn't show it. I think I know

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-14 Thread John Woodgate
In message soft.com>, dated Mon, 14 Nov 2011, Ted Eckert writes: If the fryer is used by laymen, IEC 60335-2-13 is likely the correct standard. Its scope includes the following text. "Appliances intended for normal household and similar use and that may also be used by laymen in shops, in

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-14 Thread John Woodgate
In message <4ec19e99.7060...@aol.com>, dated Mon, 14 Nov 2011, Derek Walton writes: I guess I find this nonsense. ANYTHING abused looks dangerous. More examples of Nanny state control. Yes, but if they didn't do it, UL would be sued for $100 by everyone who sets their fryer o

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-14 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
iarmid | Schneider Electric | Renewable Energies Business | CANADA | Regulatory Compliance Engineering From: Ken Javor To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: 11/14/2011 03:23 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer Well, UL is a company, not the gov't. Agree the gov't

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-14 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
| Renewable Energies Business | CANADA | Regulatory Compliance Engineering From: Richard Nute To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: 11/14/2011 03:20 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer These are not necessarily problems due to the fryer itself. Instead, the problems

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-14 Thread Derek Walton
Hi Doug, I guess I find this nonsense. ANYTHING abused looks dangerous. More examples of Nanny state control. Cheers, Derek. On 11/14/2011 4:13 PM, dougp01 wrote: Never heard of this in Europe, for N.A. look at this video. http://www.ul.com/global/eng/pages/offerings/perspectives/consumer

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-14 Thread Rene Charton/Twn/TUV
, EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 11/15/2011 07:04 Subject AMRe: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-14 Thread Richard Nute
emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf > Of Derek Walton > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 3:05 PM > To: dougp01 > Cc: Pete Perkins; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer > > > Hi Doug, > > I guess I find th

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-14 Thread Farley, John
nt: Monday, November 14, 2011 4:13 PM To: Pete Perkins; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer Never heard of this in Europe, for N.A. look at this video. http://www.ul.com/global/eng/pages/offerings/perspectives/consumer/productsafety/turkeys/ d

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-14 Thread Ken Javor
have every right to refrain from certifying it. That shouldn't mean that it isn't available on the market, just that UL hasn't blessed it. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 > From: Derek Walton > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:04:57 -0600 > To: dougp01 > Cc: Pete Perkins ,

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-14 Thread Nick Williams
60335-2-37 is for commercial appliances but isn't much use for gas fired or food factory type equipment. Nick. On 14 Nov 2011, at 22:14, John Woodgate wrote: > In message , dated Mon, 14 > Nov 2011, Pete Perkins writes: > >> Looking for input on requirements for CE marking of a co

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-14 Thread dougp01
Never heard of this in Europe, for N.A. look at this video. http://www.ul.com/global/eng/pages/offerings/perspectives/consumer/productsafety/turkeys/ doug powell -Original Message- From: Pete Perkins Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 2:00 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PS

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-14 Thread Ted Eckert
If the fryer is used by laymen, IEC 60335-2-13 is likely the correct standard. Its scope includes the following text. "Appliances intended for normal household and similar use and that may also be used by laymen in shops, in light industry and on farms are within the scope of this standard. Ho

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-14 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Mon, 14 Nov 2011, Pete Perkins writes: Looking for input on requirements for CE marking of a commercial deep-fat fryer. What's the latest? IEC 60335-2-13 Edition 6.0 (2009-12-14) Household and similar electrical appliances - Safety - Part 2-13: Particular req

Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer

2011-11-14 Thread Nick Williams
Hi Pete, By commercial, do you mean for use in a restaurant or retail (take away) environment or in a food factory? Is it gas heated or electric? Any powered moving parts? Nick. On 14 Nov 2011, at 21:00, Pete Perkins wrote: > PSNet, > > Looking for input on requirements for CE marki