Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-19 Thread ceenbot
Hi Dave, That's funny. I am an engineer but opinions and others' expertise are always welcome. That is how I learn. I found some inexpensive HPLC pumps on ebay but most are sold as-is. You don't know if the seals are any good and if some yahoo like me tried to push solder paste through it..

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-19 Thread dave
On Sun, 2012-08-19 at 20:39 -0500, ceen...@in-front.com wrote: > Thanks Dave. Thought I would throw it out there. I don't have any > experience with a HPLC pump. What if the geometry were larger and the check > valves could cope with a suspended solid? Think on the scale of a small > hydraul

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-19 Thread ceenbot
Thanks Dave. Thought I would throw it out there. I don't have any experience with a HPLC pump. What if the geometry were larger and the check valves could cope with a suspended solid? Think on the scale of a small hydraulic valve body. Dennis > HPLC pumps are made to deliver precise flo

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-19 Thread dave
On Sat, 2012-08-18 at 06:18 -0500, ceen...@in-front.com wrote: > I found a high pressure pump (up to 40,000PSI) that may work with solder > paste. These are readily available on ebay as high pressure liquid > chromatography (HPLC) pumps. A description is here: > http://www.lcresources.com/res

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-18 Thread Erik Friesen
It seems to me like solder paste is going to separate under any pressure differential without some special design or consideration to keep the paste together. On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 7:34 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 18 August 2012 13:18, wrote: > > I found a high pressure pump (up to 40,000PSI)

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-18 Thread andy pugh
On 18 August 2012 13:18, wrote: > I found a high pressure pump (up to 40,000PSI) that may work with solder > paste. These are readily available on ebay as high pressure liquid > chromatography (HPLC) pumps. A description is here: > http://www.lcresources.com/resources/getstart/2b01.htm I s

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-18 Thread ceenbot
I found a high pressure pump (up to 40,000PSI) that may work with solder paste. These are readily available on ebay as high pressure liquid chromatography (HPLC) pumps. A description is here: http://www.lcresources.com/resources/getstart/2b01.htm Even if a standard Waters style pump has geom

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-07 Thread Ralph Stirling
-- Ralph From: ceen...@in-front.com [ceen...@in-front.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 10:53 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] solder paste Hi Ralph, Wow. I had not thought of using thin FR4 and milling it out for a stencil. I do have some f

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-07 Thread jeremy youngs
Sound like you need a plate with a grid of threaded holes, and a > bunch of (for the lack of a better descriptive term) standoffs. All > standoffs would have the bottom threaded to screw into the plate, but > with a flat at the edge of the threads for an accurate surface > reference. This is c

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-07 Thread cogoman
On 08/07/2012 08:42 AM, ceen...@in-front.com wrote: >The majority of boards I run are double sided so all SMT processes are > performed twice. This is one of the reasons I would like a paste printer > because the manual stencil printer requires a lot of adjusting and fixturing > changes whe

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-07 Thread ceenbot
ling > To: gro...@homanndesigns.com , Enhanced Machine > Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] solder paste > Sent: Aug 07 '12 11:35 > > We cut our own stencils with a 0.010" end mill on our LPKF pcb milling > machine. > For material we use 0.00

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-07 Thread Jon Elson
Gene Heskett wrote: > I would add that temporary storage of the > pasted board should be in an oxygen-free environment until the board comes > out to goto the pick-n-place station, then back into the same low oxygen > box while the reflow oven is warming up. > I normally get my boards from

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-07 Thread Ralph Stirling
We cut our own stencils with a 0.010" end mill on our LPKF pcb milling machine. For material we use 0.005" thick FR4 laminate without copper, purchased in big sheets (2'x2' or so) from Insulectro (if I recall correctly). I use the same paste in a syringe that we use for the occasional manual disp

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-07 Thread Jon Elson
Gene Heskett wrote: > Could one use the resultant laser cut stencil as if it was a silk screen to > apply the solder paste? > That's the idea. > If so, that would certainly cut large hunks of time out of the process once > the stencil was made. However, having the paste exposed to the air whi

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-07 Thread Jon Elson
cogoman wrote: > On 08/06/2012 09:49 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > >> I make my own stencils for these. It is kind of a pain, but I'm CHEAP! >> > How about the cheapest CNC to build, an XY plotter like this: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyLPpGdfR7s > > but with the laser from an old DVD bu

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 07 August 2012 09:04:25 Peter Homann did opine: > Hi Gene, > > It costs me about $80 for a laser cut stencil. The process of applying > the paste is shown here. That is I assume 80 AUD. Considering, if that is for a 6mil thick SS stencil, that isn't too bad! > > http://www.homannde

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-07 Thread ceenbot
eturned to fill position and the paste displaces the void. Dennis > ---Original Message--- > From: Peter Homann > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] solder paste > Sent: Aug 07 '12 07:23 > > Hi Gene, > > It costs me

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-07 Thread ceenbot
and subject to bumping, etc. An outbound conveyor board stacker/cooler is also on the drawing board. Dennis > ---Original Message--- > From: cogoman > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] solder paste > Sent: Aug 07 '12 00:11 &g

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-07 Thread Peter Homann
Hi Gene, It costs me about $80 for a laser cut stencil. The process of applying the paste is shown here. http://www.homanndesigns.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54:manual-process-for-applying-solder-paste-via-a-stencil&catid=35:smt&Itemid=55 It takes less than 90 seconds to ap

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-06 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 07 August 2012 02:32:47 cogoman did opine: > On 08/06/2012 09:49 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > > I make my own stencils for these. It is kind of a pain, but I'm > > CHEAP! > > How about the cheapest CNC to build, an XY plotter like this: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyLPpGdfR7s That

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-06 Thread cogoman
On 08/06/2012 09:49 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > I make my own stencils for these. It is kind of a pain, but I'm CHEAP! How about the cheapest CNC to build, an XY plotter like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyLPpGdfR7s but with the laser from an old DVD burner for the pen. You could produce p

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-06 Thread Jon Elson
ceen...@in-front.com wrote: > The vision is to spend 1-2 hours programming a printer then let it loose on > the boards. A typical board run for me is 200 pcs. I have never done 200 boards in a run, but may have a job that big soon. I will get the boards panelized and do them 20 - 30 at a time.

Re: [Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-06 Thread ceenbot
Hi Jon, I use a manual stencil printer now and it does work pretty well. The issue is banging out a stencil for all of the proto boards I make. There are about 30 proto designs created per year and since the boards change a bit before they become final, so does the stencil. I don't see the M

[Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-06 Thread Jon Elson
Mark Cason wrote: > > >a few years ago, i saw a prototyping machine, that used a syringe, to > deposit solder directly onto a SMD pad. It basically touched down on a > pad, and then deposited a tiny amount of solder, while retracting. > then, it rewound the syringe's stepper, a couple step

[Emc-users] solder paste

2012-08-06 Thread Jon Elson
ceen...@in-front.com wrote: > Mydata has a MY500 solder paste printer but it about $200k USD more than I > want to spend in the next year or so on a printer. It looks to be a nice > machine. I may see if I can get a replacement head for a MY500 if I can. > Printing solder paste with a stenci