In a message dated 5/30/2002 2:23:08 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As to question 1-
In our recently completed senior design project (head to
expert.cc.purdue.edu/~precoda if you're interested), we in Purdue's
Astronautical Engineering program found a melting time of about 9
In a message dated 5/30/2002 10:53:56 AM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1. How long would it take to melt through 12 miles of ice?
2. Is communication much more difficult?
3. Are there layers of ice flowing at different speeds that might make for a
shear-zone or something? 4. D
In a message dated 3/13/2002 8:17:34 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are you aware that the presence of algae on ice is very common on Earth? And that that presence is clearly visible? In addition to within ice, algae are often found on the the ice-air and ice-seawater interfa
John, you're right, but for different reasons than the ones I proposed. Clearly, the ISS will be a part of any 'step' beyond cislunar space. Of course, microgravity study is a part of that. The great problem I see with the ISS is that it is an 'International' Space Station. In my experience, 'i
In a message dated 2/26/2002 7:28:15 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dear JHByrne,My apologies for accidently calling you Jane. What is your first name anyway? Best wishes in the future. Your posts are always excellent!!!
Rick L. Sterling
That's alright, Rick. Jane,
I have to be careful here not to wander too far off the base subject of 'things relating to an exploration of all things Europan'. Nevertheless, there is some connection, so I'll address it as follows...
We are in agreement that commercial development of space (as opposed to purely military or sc
In a message dated 2/25/2002 3:00:00 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and Bruce's opinion of the ISS is
well known, but accusing NASA of deliberate swindling borders on slander.
G. B. Leatherwood
Actually, it would be 'libel' (the wri
In a message dated 2/25/2002 2:05:33 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Lehrer is bang on target (something I don't say that often about "National Review" columns). My only disagreement is that he still thinks it might conceivably be possible for the Space Station to be turned i
In a message dated 2/12/2002 10:50:41 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So his argument is simply
that -- if Europa has been dead for eons -- it has also destroyed virtually
all evidence of any life it might have had in its earliest days.
Then how do you explain the existance o
In a message dated 2/12/2002 8:50:25 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Cooper's argument against "fossil life" preservation on Europa is a
fine example of "homogeneous thinking" which all/most of us do when
confronted with few data. Whereas the processes stated may be true,
ould never tolerate cheaters like Hughes Aircraft (of B-2 Bomber notoriety).
-- JHByrne
In a message dated 12/24/2001 4:34:19 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
All 4 of NASA's Office of Space Science subcommittees held their latest
meetings this month at Cocoa Beach, and the Origins subcommittee has already
put its report on the Web:
http://spacescience.nasa.gov/ad
In a message dated 12/20/2001 10:21:06 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bruce, John, et al.,
My point is IF the Cryobot is deployed on or subsequently encounters
a layer or mass of salt (likely, with a probability of >0.3--my
guess) that is large relative to the bot's size (
In a message dated 12/20/2001 5:57:37 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not only that but my question is if their is life, and its anything like life on earth, heating the ice will signifcantly raise the temp. and killing what were looking for. I want to no if were alone as much
In a message dated 12/20/2001 9:04:39 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bruce, et al., my original question was more about where Mr. Stellwagen has been all this time? Could we direct him to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] web site, which describes in detail just what he's going on about?
In a message dated 12/20/2001 4:56:59 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Salt IS considered a serious problem for a Europa Cryobot (which, by the way, HAS always been planned to use radioactive heat from a nose cylinder of plutonium-238 to melt through the ice -- there's no other
In a message dated 12/19/2001 10:53:18 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
BTW, those that have actually been studying the Europan surface (you
know, with Galileo data and lab experiments) suspect there's a lot of
salt up there in the crust, which according to the recent crateri
In a message dated 12/19/2001 10:29:17 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If I am not mistaken to melt the ice Nasa is going to use a nuclear
heater/rod mechanism
"Challenge your pre-conseptions, or they will challenge you."
Mr. Velleck
Live long and prosper.
That's got to be th
In a message dated 12/19/2001 8:09:13 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I got this because I have just been appointed as a "Solar System Ambassador"
for 2002 by JPL. What's curious about this is that they're talking about the
same things this group has been discussing for years,
In a message dated 12/11/2001 9:40:09 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I realise this is off topic, but what I really want to know: Does this Act oblige the American government to rent for these prices or can it refuse to rent?
Kind regards,
Gert van den Heuvel
I don't have a
In a message dated 12/10/2001 8:31:20 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why wait until a lunar/asteroid infrastructure is "reaping profits"? In view
of the fact that entrepreneurs have already thoroughly overexploited one
planet - Earth - let's levy the tax now. Let's see how fa
In a message dated 12/9/2001 12:55:36 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Interesting story, but I'm afraid it's not correct because it were the Dutch who invaded Indonesia. The Belgian army has never left Europe except for some involvement in Kongo, Africa.
So maybe Eugene Duboi
In a message dated 12/7/2001 12:18:24 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As an American, I emphatically disagree. Private enterprise is not the solution for space exploration, for the simple reasons already mentioned:
1. Nobody has found a way to make a profit outside earth's o
In a message dated 12/6/2001 4:16:41 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is this really what people want? Coca Cola could pay to spraypaint its
logo across the moon. A bio.com decides Mars or Europa's ocean is the
perfect place to testbed its latest genetically modified bacteria
In a message dated 12/5/2001 10:43:39 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think one answer has to be that some of the things, like the pharmaceutical laboratories, have turned out to be not so useful after all. If I understand it correctly, nothing has been produced in the exper
In a message dated 11/30/2001 11:12:09 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ah, John, I love it when you admonish me for being a professional
beggar. It's true, of course, that's the way we scientists have
always been. Galileo was a government beggar, and look what they did
to
In a message dated 11/28/2001 11:45:11 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
OK, I've thought about our current "situation" (recall we may lose
all near-future outer solar system projects), consulted with a few
wise colleagues, and I think the best course of action is to support
In a message dated 11/21/2001 6:41:43 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dear Dr. Zubrin, The JFK memo I referred to in my earlier e-mail was from the book John F. Kennedy, Commander In Chief: A Profile in leadership. This fowarded e-mail contains a link to Amazon.Com where you c
In a message dated 11/16/2001 6:20:32 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Have any of you seen the disturbing stories popping up today about OMB
>threatening to cancel *all* Outer Planets Exploration in the next decade?
>
>Check out (www.nasawatch.com and
>www.spacedaily.com/news
In a message dated 10/9/2001 12:28:18 AM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I would just like to add to the long thought train that Robert has
been delivering that we never know where the next bold new idea comes
from. It could be from that gal or guy next door. This simple fac
Yes, in the current world context it is completely accurate to say this.
But from a moral perspective, one is required to ask *if* and *when*
this will change?
Never, never, never. At least since the time of Aristotle, people have been asking such questions, as 'when will the philosopher kings
In a message dated 10/8/2001 10:29:50 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why hasn't there been any discussion/movement regarding the
development of much greater launch capacity? If you go back
and look at the early Saturn V plans or Russian plans, one
can realize that there were
In a message dated 10/8/2001 8:43:46 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, David M Harland wrote:
> There is no viable alternative to the Shuttle for human spaceflight.
> It is now running about as efficiently as it ever will. It is simply
> a costly business.
In a message dated 10/8/2001 2:13:48 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why? I'll note that the U.S. is planning to spend between $15 -$100 BILLION
on the loss of ~5000 individuals. This is equal to an ~2-5 year NASA budget
allocation. Go compute the frequency of impact likely
In a message dated 10/8/2001 1:43:29 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'd argue on humanitarian and moral grounds that the best evaluation
criteria should be on lives saved / $ spent (or more accurately years
of potential life saved / $ spent). In that respect the $ going to t
In a message dated 10/8/2001 10:30:00 AM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, at the risk of being considered a "bottom line" man, here's my
read on the space station fiasco. In the early 1970s, Nixon wanted
the space shuttle because they thought it would be a great way to
l
In a message dated 4/29/2001 7:02:10 PM Alaskan Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A lot of interesting speculation (and cool movie scripts) coming out
of answers to Gail and Roberta's questions. Of course, Carl Sagan
and others have covered much the same ground before, and viewers of
In a message dated 4/26/2001 6:27:33 PM Alaskan Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hello Gail and Roberta,
A couple of my thoughts which you may find worthy of a peek.
As a "technical civilization", we Earthlings are utter newborns. Consider:
we have been capable of talking across the v
Ro & Ro:
I understand theres a guy out there who operates a website on Ionian
tectonics and vulcanism. Also, I suggest you talk to Sam Michaels -- he's
got some fascinating theories on cataclysmic events besides the Chixiculb
impact, which involve great Earth events and the changing of thermal
In a message dated 4/13/2001 10:15:25 AM Alaskan Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is the driving force behind space exploration money(profit)? Yes.
Exploration just for the sake of exploration? Yes. Scientific
investigation? Yes. Finding more room for humans? Yes. So the answer is
"Al
In a message dated 4/12/2001 1:08:45 PM Alaskan Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, it's called exploration. Science is not the reason we send spacecraft
to the planets; if it was, why would NASA's budget be as large as the rest
of science - excluding medicine - put together? Science i
In a message dated 4/4/2001 7:35:24 AM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
To me, the real question regarding alternative energy production systems is
whether any of them might produce a molecule of oxygen as waste, as
photosynthesis does. You get free O2 in the water, you've got t
In a message dated 4/3/2001 3:52:01 PM Alaskan Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Grrr. This is exactly that revelation I had saved for my coming SpaceDaily
article on the possibility that Europan organisms -- without evolutionary
competition from the far more vigorous photsynthetic organ
In a message dated 4/3/2001 9:21:25 AM Alaskan Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The fact that we can feel remorse for the lossof the
species might be a sign ofa more mature attitude as a
species.
I will grant you this: in the middle of an impending energy crises, and with
1000s of Ala
In a message dated 4/2/2001 12:35:10 PM Alaskan Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> The best defense europan life will have against humanity is to not
> have any economic value; at least not until humanity reaches a level of
> maturity that pursues knowledge and art over material wealt
In a message dated 4/2/2001 12:21:21 PM Alaskan Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> As for E2, I have no idea. I sure hope so. It may be enforceable from
> Earth. I think private corps will open up space mining on (sterile)
> asteroids within a decade or two--the sooner the better!
In a message dated 4/2/2001 8:28:36 AM Alaskan Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If Europa has life, we should not open it to private corporations.
It should be protected, as we protect Yosemite here.
I was wondering when the Cosmic Sierra Club would weigh in. One of the most
aggravat
For example, I worked for DMV. For nearly the whole twelve years I was there,
energetic attempts were made to get the income into the bank as early in the
day as possible. By the time I retired, that was up to about 97% of the
moneys received were deposited before noon of the day they were recei
In a message dated 3/28/2001 5:01:01 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> If you're really looking for a valuable Europan commodity, consider the
> obvious -- native Europan life, which might very well be biologically
unique
> enough to have biological and medical uses of it
In a message dated 3/28/2001 4:08:09 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> It might work, but you're looking at the wrong market. It's like the
> microbrew beers -- they weren't satisfied with local success, tried to go
> nation-wide and went bust. Ice/water mining could be lu
In a message dated 3/27/2001 9:53:00 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Here's something to chew on. As you know, I've been intrigued by the
prospect
> of mining ice and water on Europa, but had a lot of trouble figuring out
how
> to make it profitable. What if...
Breaki
In a message dated 3/18/2001 4:17:31 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Perhaps another alternative (there always are, aren't they?) is to have as
> many separate lists as there are topics of interest, such as: The Moons of
> Jupiter; Mars & Its Moons; Venus; Effects of Pro
In a message dated 3/17/2001 6:31:22 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I wasn't as antagonized by Jeff's threat as John seems to be. Remember that
> Edwin Kite -- who came up with a detailed and interesting scheme for
> near-future Europa exploration that he wanted us to
In a message dated 3/17/2001 5:15:56 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> ...that the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is intended solely for discussions
> of Europa and missions to it. Other discussions are off-topic and should
> not be held on the list unless that can be dir
In a message dated 3/16/2001 9:54:29 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I misquoted a source: It wasn't Peter Drucker, it was C. Northcote
Parkinson
> in "Parkinson's Law" who said "Work expands to fill the time available." He
> further extended that to say that needs expa
> The issue is not whether the ISS is an invaluable tool in the future of
> humanity, it is. But how do we convince the holders of the budgetary purse
> strings that it is? The issue is not about the practicality of manned (
> personned?) vs. un- space flight, but convincing the voters who ele
In a message dated 3/14/2001 5:19:49 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> The Centrifuge Accommodation Module -- although it's being built by Japan --
> may now have to be dropped because of ISS' overall cost problems. If so,
> the very last of the original justifications us
In a message dated 3/13/2001 4:58:43 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Not necessarily -- for, as I've said before, I think there's an ironic
> Catch-22 where human exploration of Mars is concerned. The only way you'll
> convince anyone for a very long time to come to fun
In a message dated 3/13/2001 4:46:13 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> My God. To say that this is an extreme solution is the understatement of
> the century. Prosthetic bone replacements aren't attached to the muscles
--
> they can't be, since the connective tissue cel
In a message dated 3/13/2001 4:53:59 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> That is pretty much the situation. Back in 1983, physicist Sidney Coleman
> conjured up a nightmare scenario in which extremely high-energy subatomic
> particle experiments, of the sort planned for the
In a message dated 3/13/2001 4:34:44 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> How about sending the people to space who belong there: the paraplegics.
> Legs are a detriment in weightlessness. And people who are confined to
> wheelchairs here would be free and equal for the firs
In a message dated 3/12/2001 11:49:26 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> The second problem, bone loss, is a bit more severe. It apparantly only
> affects the lower body, ie, the legs and the hips, since these are the
> bones that carry our weight on earth. The upper body s
Pardon me, but what's the point of going all the way to Mars, only to fool
around with a little rock orbiting the big prize?
It seems to me that practical, economic sense, and a sense of what is
politically expedient would rule out setting down on an isolated rock, when
it would be simply eas
> And perhaps siphoning off "expansion energy" (if that's what zero-point =
> energy turns out to be) isn't such a bad thing. Almost every study thus =
> far has concluded that the universe -- even counting the unseen Dark =
> Matter -- has far too little mass to naturally slow the expansion
In a message dated 3/12/2001 5:25:56 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I have some short questions... First, does anybody know if there's a
> listserv similar to this one, having to do with colonizing, or at least
> sending probes to, Phobos? And relatedly -- what are c
In a message dated 3/11/2001 6:05:05 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Jovian radiation could be avoided that way, yes -- but the very great cost
> of propelling resources out of Jupiter's huge gravity well would remain. I
> honestly can't think of anything we could conce
Okay, Hibai, I can use all the help I can get. This is a group project, so
we all take part in it, but we do need someone to help cut through the
various discussions and come up with a solid determination.
-- JHB
In a message dated 3/6/2001 12:18:55 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECT
Hello, All.
Larry Klaes mentioned two weeks ago that it's time to get serious on the
Europa proposal, to go as far forward as we can with this group for the
underlying purpose of promoting a research probe for exploring Europa and its
ice sheath and oceans.
We need a graphic, a picture, of w
In a message dated 3/2/2001 2:07:46 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> not to mention a Reagan-esque approach to budget planning - ie cutting
> taxes but forgetting to cut spending at the same time - looks like the
> infamous asterisk is about to return OBM planning.
>
In a message dated 3/1/2001 6:01:32 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> As you can see, there are parallels all over the place, and you will quickly
> notice that not once have I mentioned magnetic chains, LaGrange Points, or
> the Oort Cloud. The budgetary process, as I men
In a message dated 3/1/2001 1:40:35 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> A word of warning here for all budding SF writers: if you think you've come
> up with a novel scientific idea that would make an interesting theme for an
> SF story, Anderson has almost certainly beaten
In a message dated 3/1/2001 10:52:50 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Now if we could get Russia, ESA, Japan and China to go it alone, thus
> avoiding the trouble or complications the American Congress adds to any
> large space program then we might get into a new space r
In a message dated 3/1/2001 10:14:20 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I would guess at this point restrictions imposed by US, Russian,
> French, governments are more restrictive to the process than lack of a
> market.
> Which of course is the "free hand" you mentioned.
> One more message about this, then I'll shut up. I realize this site is for
> serious (or at least mostly serious) exploration of what is really
happening
> in our quest for whatever is "out there."
Au contraire, ma amie! I think this site is JUST MADE for people like you.
This is a site
In a message dated 3/1/2001 6:49:19 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I think it's reasonable to assume this gravity resource can be shared/
> regulated internationally. Case in point: the Panama and Suez canals.
>
Yes. Have lagrange point gravity resources international
is
world to play their dangerous games far away from Earth, now don't we?
-- JHByrne
==
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> Hahaha! Kim Stanley Robinson has already written an award-winning series =
> of books that tackles all your questions -- _Red Mars_, _Green Mars_ and =
> _Blue Mars_, and then followed those up with _Antarctica_. He "shows off"
=
> with his writing at places, and has technological stars
In a message dated 3/1/2001 12:24:02 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> It reminded me of a story by Isaac Asimov about a robot that developed
> pathways in its brain, rather than having them built in. The similarities
to
> this story are remarkable, but in the BBC piece,
In a message dated 2/28/2001 8:11:31 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Who wants to bet that within 50 years, staking claim to shares of the =
> lagrange points in the Earth-moon system becomes a hotter investment =
> scheme than dot-com domain names?
I just wrote an emai
In a message dated 2/28/2001 7:30:38 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Well, it follows that any kind of moon or Mars base will have to be =
> self-sufficient to at least a limited extent. Any kind of base expansion =
> will likely rely on sintering regolith into bricks fo
In a message dated 2/28/2001 7:25:37 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Ha! Such optomism here. We'll be lucky to get a *robot* probe launched to =
> Europa by 2010, much less a manned mission. Such a story would have to be =
> based on an alternate history, perhaps one in
In a message dated 2/28/2001 7:10:05 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> The assumption is, of course, that the 70 or 700, or more, people will have
> something to do in space. They must be making products or providing
services
> to other people on earth or in space at a pr
In a message dated 2/28/2001 6:39:19 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Nope. _Red Storm Rising_ was Clancy's follow-up to _The Hunt for Red =
> October_ which I feel is his best book. _Red Storm Rising_ was far too =
> heavily influenced by Gen. John Hackett's _The Third W
In a message dated 2/28/2001 6:05:27 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Someone - maybe Asimov - said that good SF asks the reader to suspend
> disbelief only *once* per story. Otherwise you'll never achieve what all
> fiction depends on, the creation of a plausible realit
> >I suppose I, like many others, have been infected with the idea that the
> various bodies of the solar system are all potential resource mines,
> promising huge fortunes in whatever it is that would compel people to go
> there. If the conditions are just too cost extravagant, however, the
Larry:
Are there any plans to make a one-stop-shopping Europa website?
Clearly, we all could use a website that:
1) had various demonstrated and hypothetical data lists / pictures, etc,
about Europa (and Io, if possible).
2) had prospective pictures of any Europan submersible, crew paramete
In a message dated 2/27/2001 8:22:07 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> As for burning sulfur for fuel: keep in mind that you have to burn it WITH
> something, and Europa is singularly short on free oxygen (although it does
> have a little, thanks to the breakdown of water
In a message dated 2/26/2001 6:13:18 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >And on an unrelated note, speculation is that the ocean is extrememly heavy
> in salts and sulfuric acid, right? So what would Europan seawater smell
like
> if exposed to air? Sulphur stink? Ordinary
> Purely speculative question here. Let's say it's 100-200 years in the =
> future. We've got the funding, and are going to drop a submersible through
=
> the ice to study Europa's ocean for several months at a time. Four person =
> crew. What would the scientific specialties of the crewmemb
> Yep, you got that right, unfortunately. A good friend of mine is quite
> concerned that no one in power is really attempting to address the issue of
> oil depletion, but doesn't seem like we're going to face up to it until
it's
> too late.
What, you're surprised by this? In a world of
In a message dated 2/25/2001 1:13:03 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Greetings All
>
> I realize that I'm very late to the discussion, but if you're looking for
> a reason to return to the moon and get people jazzed up about space
> exploration in general (including g
> I know, I know--the question is "Is There Intelligent Life Down Here?" Yes,
> romantic that I am, I believe there is. What I find curious is our notion
> that if there is other intelligent life "out there" that it is more
advanced
> than we. Suppose it's the other way around? Suppose WE ar
In a message dated 2/24/2001 3:29:45 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I don't know. Is solar wind a more than negligible factor? And if you have
> to travel through Earth's atmosphere before reaching the near vacuum of
> space, then I would expect you to have to accommoda
In a message dated 2/24/2001 3:29:37 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> To your first question. I think they're here, but are treating us like an
> underdeveloped species for them to study. Kind of how we tag birds and
> other animals to analyze their migrational patterns.
In a message dated 2/24/2001 3:29:27 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Well, I don't think the whole thing was over penguins. Or even a known life
> form. But over meteorites. Antarctica being a whole lot of nothing, when
> something lands its kind of easy to find. Makes a
>
> The trouble is that we're about to enter an age in which it will be so EASY
> for us to destroy ourselves -- in which one idiot with gene-splicing
> abilities can unleash a doomsday plague (deliberately or accidentally) that
> could spread fast enough to wipe us out before we could sto
In a message dated 2/23/2001 11:06:23 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I'm kind of curious of people/NASA's point of view on what can be used as a
> resource, and what is taboo in that it needs be conserved for scientific
> research. I know this question is a tad bit earl
In a message dated 2/23/2001 10:26:32 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Well, the draw was supposed to be that it was a 30 frame per second
> streaming video (albeit about 15+ seconds from real time). You've seen one
> picture of the Earth, you've seen them all. Streaming
In a message dated 2/23/2001 9:59:45 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Is anyone else a tad bit tickled over the whole unmanned thing from the
> people who are most remembered for the exact opposite tactic on Pearl
> Harbor for a much less valuable cause?
If you're sugges
In a message dated 2/23/2001 9:36:43 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Might work in theory. But while it might prevent total extinction of an
> intelligent species, it might not stop a close call - setting technology
> practically back to the stone age. I think its been d
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