Yeah, I saw it. I have never been a fan of Sandy and that video pretty much
cemented my low opinion of him. There has never been a larger Musk fanboy
than Sandy. I suppose I ought not argue as opinions about him are just
that. Overall Sandy and his company have done a lot of interesting things
but
I think you left out the end of democracy, all the democrats jailed and
executed, the end of the earth because climate will destroy us all, etc, etc.
Is anyone out there comparing how our country was doing under Trump compared to
our current situation where the terrorists are now taking over
The president doesn’t have that kind of power. Congress is in charge of budget.
I work for the government. The way congress makes you write a contract ties the
government workers hands in many cases.
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On Monday, May 6, 2024, 10:40 PM, John Lussmyer via EV
www.britannica.com/topic/cult-of-personality
On 5/6/24 9:35 PM, David Heacock via EV wrote:
Let's make Elon the Vice President under Trump and have him in charge of
eliminating waste in our government. Can you even imagine how our country would
benefit? Just give him two years. Just
Sandy Munro has the best rants. If it bleeds it leads. Showing how they spent
lots of money on Tesla's in order to tear them down and analyze against the BS
media that makes up these lies and plays on people's emotions. Danny Ames
On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 11:55:41 AM PDT, Rush via EV
On 5/6/2024 8:35 PM, David Heacock via EV wrote:
Let's make Elon the Vice President under Trump and have him in charge of
eliminating waste in our government. Can you even imagine how our country would
benefit? Just give him two years. Just sayin.
No Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid,
Let's make Elon the Vice President under Trump and have him in charge of
eliminating waste in our government. Can you even imagine how our country would
benefit? Just give him two years. Just sayin.
On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 11:57:20 AM PDT, Rush via EV
wrote:
I highly recommend
I highly recommend that everybody see Munro's new utube video entitled
'Sandy's take on the Tesla Layoffs!'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl4VjvZu5os
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> If I'm right about that, it could be in part because autopilot is
restricted by law here.
Speaking of French road laws, does that stupid priorité à droite still
exist? It was so much fun to go as fast as possible into L'Etoile and make
all
Longtime Europe residents on the list may have better info, and I don't read
every publication, but I haven't seen Tesla all over the media for accidents
here the way it it has been in the US.
If I'm right about that, it could be in part because autopilot is restricted
by law here. It can
Sure, sounds logical but the car would have prevented it is the argument. Not
saying who’s right because it’s never happened to me but it’s very hard to
resist intervention when the cars in control IME. It’s never messed up with me
but it sometimes waits longer than I am comfortable with before
Why wouldn't you disengage the autopilot if it was trying to kill you?...
...then you get blamed for the accident if you can't prevent it?
On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 05:43:25 AM PDT, Ken Olum via EV
wrote:
From: paul dove
Date: Sat, 4 May 2024 16:02:36 + (UTC)
>From what
From: paul dove
Date: Sat, 4 May 2024 16:02:36 + (UTC)
>From what I've read it's more often the driver who intervenes and shuts
down Autopilot thus causing the accident.
Tesla keeps track of anyone actually cares.
On 4 May 2024 at 12:05, paul dove via EV wrote:
> at some point they take away your license. What then?
Here in France we have a fix for that. It's a vehicle class called VSP -
voitures sans permis. That's literally "cars without licenses," which
refers to the drivers rather than the cars.
> I am with you John but at some point they take away your license.
> What then? Friend, relatives, taxi, bus? A self driving car could
> allow independence longer.
Ah, but will someone without a driver's license be *allowed* to drive a fully
self driving car?
Lee
--
Excellence does not require
this research myself, but i think you will find it
much more quickly.)
Peri
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: Lawrence Winiarski via EV
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Here's a dumb question/Poll: I'd be curious how many people actually really
care about fully self driving
ssion List"
Cc: "paul dove" , "EV List Lackey"
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla cuts 3 major departments
You think death is what insurance companies care about when it costs $3000 to
get a bumper repaired. A large percentage of people would be better off with
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla cuts 3 major departments
Here's a dumb question/Poll: I'd be curious how many people actually really
care about fully self driving to demand it in their car? Is that a valid topic
for EVDL
You think death is what insurance companies care about when it costs $3000 to
get a bumper repaired. A large percentage of people would be better off with
self driving cars. Then they could look at their phone without consequences
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On Friday, May 3, 2024,
I am with you John but at some point they take away your license. What then?
Friend, relatives, taxi, bus? A self driving car could allow independence
longer.
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On Friday, May 3, 2024, 11:42 PM, John Lussmyer via EV
wrote:
On 5/3/2024 9:29 PM, Lawrence
On 5/3/2024 9:29 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via EV wrote:
Here's a dumb question/Poll: I'd be curious how many people actually really care about fully self driving to demand it in their car? Is that a valid topic for EVDL? I'm sure the Tesla Fanboys love it more than indoor plumbing, but what
Here's a dumb question/Poll: I'd be curious how many people actually really
care about fully self driving to demand it in their car? Is that a valid topic
for EVDL? I'm sure the Tesla Fanboys love it more than indoor plumbing,
but what do insurance companies say? Do they give a rate
Thanks for the interesting comments in this thread, but it isn't about Tesla
as a business, or Teslas as cars that owners like. It's about the future of
EVs.
We're seeing political trends in much of the world, especially the US and
Europe, that may slow or even reverse progress in EV
Hi,
I've received but not often read this list, so I don't know if you've
been as unfair to Tesla as Rush accused you of, but your response below
seems pretty even-handed. I was surprised that Rush made such personal
comments to you. Unless you've been over-the-top unfair to Tesla, then
> As I understand AI "Training" (and I'm pretty much an idiot here) you have a
> given neural net which is initially filled with hundreds of GB random data,
> then you run input data through itand get the result.So I guess you input
> a picture of a "bicycle" and it spits out "doggie", and
On 5/2/2024 11:32 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
The question i have is, how does the "decider" know when the driver is correct
versus the algorithm ? In others words, what keeps it from learning human error ?
One of the things they do is watch for "interventions". i.e. the User
suddenly
a EV
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla cuts 3 major departments
As I understand AI "Training" (and I'm pretty much an idiot here) you have a
given neural net which is initially
the camera
might have thought it harmless to the tires ?
Peri
From: Lawrence Winiarski via EV
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 18:45
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Cc: Lawrence Winiarski; EV List Lackey
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla cuts 3 major departments
As I understand AI "Training"
Science fiction writer Ron Goulart loves to put examples of rogue technology in
his stories, usually in humorous circumstances. One relevant example is where a
guy comes out of the bar, and finds his car won't let him in.
Man: "Unlock the door, Ai."
Car: "Drinking again, I see."
Man: "What?
As I understand AI "Training" (and I'm pretty much an idiot here) you have a
given neural net which is initially filled with hundreds of GB random data,
then you run input data through itand get the result. So I guess you input a
picture of a "bicycle" and it spits out "doggie", and you say
I wondered if this reference would show up. I can't be this only one thinking
this sounds too familiar. The genie is out of the bottlewe're in
for a rough ride so buckle up folks.
John M
"Money doesn't talk, it swears"--Bob Dylan
I suppose AI door locks are next.
Open the Tesla
On 2 May 2024 at 5:19, Lawrence Winiarski via EV wrote:
> I honestly could care less about self driving and have absolutely no
> desire to be an expendable human guinea pig.(as for other guinea
> pigs...did you know this? "Select all the squares that have a
> traffic light".I should have
Interesting choices of what departments to axe. I honestly could care less
about self driving and have absolutely no desire to be an expendable human
guinea pig.(as for other guinea pigs...did you know this? "Select all the
squares that have a traffic light".I should have known
It's not over yet. - Tesla is still laying off staff.
"Electrek has learned that Musk also gutted Tesla´s cathode material
manufacturing team in Texas.
"It started with Anthony Thurston, Senior Manager, Cathode Materials &
Manufacturing at Tesla, earlier this month [sic], but Electrek has
Hi Folks,
I normally don't join in on the debates/flamewars. In this case, I feel
I must.
For starters, I work for Chargepoint as one of the standards development
team. I'm one of the chairs of JWG1 (which makes ISO 15118-2).
I deal with a LOT of different EVs as part of our interoperability
Honestly, I’m pretty much completely with David on this one. He hasn’t showed
any bias at all, he’s just posted news articles that we should all care about,
about problems that we should all care about.
I’ve had several Teslas, and just had another as a rental car last week. Build
quality
Overwhelming? Prejudice? Hatred? C'mon don't be afraid to say what you
really think!
Wow, nothing brings on the emotions like cars huh? Say what you want about
my wife and kids and my dog butdon't you dare say anything about my car!
Anyway If i can pick and choose what information I'd
On 30 Apr 2024 at 20:47, Rush via EV wrote:
> Your prejudice against Tesla is so evident and overwhelming
Nah. Tesla doesn't make an EV that meets my needs, but I'm actually OK with
them in most ways.
I can't stomach Elon Musk, but that's strictly personal, so who cares?
A few things that
>> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
>> Cc: EV List Lackey
>> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla cuts 3 major departments
>>
>> Tesla has dismissed 3 entire teams:
>>
>> - Vehicle and new product development
>>
>> - EV charging
>>
>> - Publi
ittle moderation on your part is called for.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rush Dougherty
> TucsonEV
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: EV On Behalf Of EV List Lackey via EV
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2024 4:55 PM
> > To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> > Cc:
regards,
Rush Dougherty
TucsonEV
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> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
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> Tesla has
on your part is called for.
Best regards,
Rush Dougherty
TucsonEV
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Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla cuts 3 major departments
Tesla has dismissed 3
Behalf Of EV List Lackey via EV
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2024 4:55 PM
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> Cc: EV List Lackey
> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla cuts 3 major departments
>
> Tesla has dismissed 3 entire teams:
>
> - Vehicle and new product development
>
> - EV chargi
Wow. How much of that is musk and how much the board ?
Peri
From: EV List Lackey via EV
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Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla cuts 3 major departments
Tesla has dismissed 3 entire teams
Tesla has dismissed 3 entire teams:
- Vehicle and new product development
- EV charging
- Public policy
Tesla had ONE bad quarter. Boom, they've laid off "at least" 10% of the
workforce (I've read that it's really closer to 20%). They've also dumped 3
major development teams and their
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