Re: Holiday Exercise

I have replied to Dr. Marchal, using a scifi writer, Wil McCarthy version of the future regarding this (Derek Parfit's analysis, not withstanding), and basically McCarthy concluded that everytime somebody used a teleport machine they killed themselves. Cloning oneself was frowned upon, and

Re: Holiday Exercise

No point per se, but was invoking an idea that fission in our imaginary realm of teleportation combines the personal experiences of single individuals, when the original person decides to fission sort of like an ameoba, but then rejoin together so that the orginal being posesses both

Re: Holiday Exercise (was: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 3:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>> ​ >> That's right Bruno, keep sweeping those foggy thoughts and fractured >> logic under the "he" colored personal pronoun rug. > > > ​> ​ > No problem, ​If there really is no problem why does Bruno Marchal refuse to

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:51:32AM -0500, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > I have only come across two theories of personal identity that are > > consistent and void issues inherent to body-continuity and > >

Re: Holiday Exercise

In the fictional realm of art, where everything is a lie and the winning theory is the yummiest, all these things: cleopatra personhood intertwinedity river of thought are easily fusionated by some guy and girl playing Joni songs for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrBilBQ1C54

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/19/2016 5:18 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 9:47 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: The who argument here, is one of fission, plus, identity. But what of fusion. Let us say Biff, using magical teleportation technology, clones himself into 2 identical guys called Biff and

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/19/2016 12:28 AM, Bruce wrote: Abandoning the transitivity of identity is difficult in general because it is precisely that transitivity that gives us a reliable notion of the continuity of personhood through time. The things that might seem to violate transitivity in duplication (copies

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/18/2016 11:25 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 19 July 2016 at 04:00, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/18/2016 2:59 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 17:10, Bruce Kellett

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 19 Jul 2016, at 13:47, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: The who argument here, is one of fission, plus, identity. But what of fusion. Fusing is far more complex, and involve amnesia. better to understand fission first. Eventually fusin is treated by the translation of UDA in

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 19 Jul 2016, at 13:39, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 5:58 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jul 2016, at 09:41, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 5:28 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jul 2016, at 06:58, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 2:18 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Jul 2016,

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 19/07/2016 9:47 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: The who argument here, is one of fission, plus, identity. But what of fusion. Let us say Biff, using magical teleportation technology, clones himself into 2 identical guys called Biff and Biff zips off to Moscow, Boff decides to shop

Re: Holiday Exercise

The who argument here, is one of fission, plus, identity. But what of fusion. Let us say Biff, using magical teleportation technology, clones himself into 2 identical guys called Biff and Biff zips off to Moscow, Boff decides to shop for fishing equipment, in Helsinki. After a few hours seeing

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 19/07/2016 5:58 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jul 2016, at 09:41, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 5:28 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jul 2016, at 06:58, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 2:18 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Jul 2016, at 03:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: As you say in

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 19 Jul 2016, at 09:41, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 5:28 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jul 2016, at 06:58, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 2:18 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Jul 2016, at 03:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: As you say in another post, computationalism depends on the

Re: Holiday Exercise (was: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On 18 Jul 2016, at 23:38, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​The Helsinki guy now that he will survive, ​Only if there is a person or if there are persons who remember being the Helsinki guy. ​ No problem. ​> ​and that

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 19/07/2016 5:28 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jul 2016, at 06:58, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 2:18 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Jul 2016, at 03:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: As you say in another post, computationalism depends on the breakdown of transitivity for personal identity: M

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 19 Jul 2016, at 06:58, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 2:18 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Jul 2016, at 03:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: As you say in another post, computationalism depends on the breakdown of transitivity for personal identity: M is the same as H; W is the same as H;

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 19 July 2016 at 04:00, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/18/2016 2:59 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On 18 July 2016 at 17:10, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On 18/07/2016 5:00 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> On 18 July 2016 at 15:42,