Re: How PIP solves the hard problem of consciousness

2013-09-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:58:25 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Sep 2013, at 20:58, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, September 23, 2013 1:16:08 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: shape belongs to the category of numbers imagination, and with comp this is given

Re: How PIP solves the hard problem of consciousness

2013-09-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
, because arithmetic implies (logically) the existence of people (and with comp they are conscious). Bruno On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.bejavascript: wrote: On 25 Sep 2013, at 14:40, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:58:25 AM

Re: How PIP solves the hard problem of consciousness

2013-09-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 10:16:45 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Sep 2013, at 14:40, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:58:25 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Sep 2013, at 20:58, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, September 23, 2013 1:16:08 PM

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, September 23, 2013 4:53:49 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Sep 2013, at 20:49, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, September 23, 2013 2:21:20 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Sep 2013, at 05:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: I don't think the simulated typhoon would make

Re: How PIP solves the hard problem of consciousness

2013-09-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, September 23, 2013 1:16:08 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: shape belongs to the category of numbers imagination, and with comp this is given by arithmetical relations. Numbers imagination seem like human imagination to me. It is not. What is important is to not impose

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
The main problem with comp that I see is the presentation problem. Computation requires no sights, sounds, smells, flavors, feelings, etc, not does it make sense that any of these could be intentionally or accidentally generated by computation alone. Comp does not seem to refer to the universe

On the relation of information (measure), physics (form-function), experience (afference-efference), and sense

2013-09-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://multisenserealism.com/2013/09/22/light-vision-and-optics/ [image: MSR_Visual]http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/msr_visual.jpg In the above diagram, the nature of light is examined from a semiotic perspective. As with Piercian sign

Re: Scientists claim discovery of life coming to Earth from space

2013-09-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, September 23, 2013 12:45:00 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: For 'life', in contrast to 'being alive', I'd add reproduction. That's the real defining characteristic of life. You don't have to reproduce to be alive though, and any chain reaction can be considered reproduction. To me,

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, September 23, 2013 2:21:20 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Sep 2013, at 05:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: I don't think the simulated typhoon would make the virtual person feel wet any more than it would make them smell seaweed. Why would it? Because I assume comp. lol

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:02:40 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Sep 2013, at 21:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14:14 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Sep 2013, at 17:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43:23 AM

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14:14 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Sep 2013, at 17:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43:23 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Sep 2013, at 22:07, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:14

Re: How PIP solves the hard problem of consciousness

2013-09-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, September 20, 2013 10:39:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Sep 2013, at 18:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:55:15 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Sep 2013, at 22:11, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:26

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43:23 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Sep 2013, at 22:07, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:14:21 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: Computers don't use symbols. ? They use physics

Re: How PIP solves the hard problem of consciousness

2013-09-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:55:15 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Sep 2013, at 22:11, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:26:35 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: snip Beyond the ambiguities, comp put the physical universe in the gap

Re: How PIP solves the hard problem of consciousness

2013-09-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:26:35 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Sep 2013, at 19:17, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:40:27 PM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Thanks Craig, you've articulated quite well a number of difficulties in approaching

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:14:21 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Sep 2013, at 19:46, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:07:23 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday

Re: Craig's Maths

2013-09-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, September 16, 2013 9:22:36 PM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:34:42AM -0700, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/identity3.jpg?w=595 http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/identity3

Re: How PIP solves the hard problem of consciousness

2013-09-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
complexity. I agree though, universe, infinity...hard to know what's clear for which audience. Thanks again, Craig John M On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: The Hard Problem of consciousness asks why there is a gap between our explanation

Re: How PIP solves the hard problem of consciousness

2013-09-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
as Significance...the reconciliation of diffracted sense as it is separated from the entropy of scaled distance and time. Thanks, Craig On Monday, September 16, 2013 1:35:27 PM UTC-4, Craig Weinberg wrote: The Hard Problem of consciousness asks why there is a gap between our explanation

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:07:23 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Saturday, September 14, 2013 5:53:01 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Craig Weinberg

Re: Craig's Maths

2013-09-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 9:50:02 PM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 04:48:12AM -0700, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, September 16, 2013 9:22:36 PM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:34:42AM -0700, Craig Weinberg wrote

Re: Craig's Maths

2013-09-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
I'm happy to translate. There doesn't seem to be any real interest in understanding though. On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:01:11 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 9/17/2013 6:50 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 04:48:12AM -0700, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, September

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, September 15, 2013 3:54:24 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Sep 2013, at 04:25, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, September 13, 2013 9:42:54 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Sep 2013, at 18:22, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:56:12 AM UTC

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:31:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 9/17/2013 10:46 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Alright. Personal or 1p experiences are probably outside the realm of phenomena that can be investigated under Popperian science. I think this is something that many of us can

Craig's Maths

2013-09-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/identity3.jpg?w=595 http://multisenserealism.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/identity3.jpg?w=595 Here’s a crazy little number that I like to call the Non-Well-Founded Identity Principle. It woke my boiling brain up a few times last night, so

How PIP solves the hard problem of consciousness

2013-09-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
The Hard Problem of consciousness asks why there is a gap between our explanation of matter, or biology, or neurology, and our experience in the first place. What is it there which even suggests to us that there should be a gap, and why should there be a such thing as experience to stand

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, September 14, 2013 5:53:01 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Friday, September 13, 2013 5:31:40 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Craig Weinberg

Re: an unreasurring parable

2013-09-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
Hah. Have they announced something? I hadn't heard. No matter what game a computer beats a person at, the person is still the only one playing a game. Craig On Saturday, September 14, 2013 12:41:46 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: For Craig: http://xkcd.com/1263/ Brent -- You received this

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, September 13, 2013 5:31:40 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Which reasoning is clearly false? Here's what I'm thinking: 1) The conclusion I won't be surprised to be hanged Friday

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, September 13, 2013 5:37:19 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 2:28 AM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.netjavascript: wrote: On 9/12/2013 2:33 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Time for some philosophy then :) Here's a paradox that's making me lose sleep:

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, September 13, 2013 9:31:56 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Sep 2013, at 17:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: Which reasoning is clearly false? Here's what I'm thinking: 1) The conclusion I won't be surprised to be hanged Friday if I am not hanged by Thursday creates another

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, September 13, 2013 9:42:54 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Sep 2013, at 18:22, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:56:12 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Sep 2013, at 11:33, Telmo Menezes wrote: Time for some philosophy then :) Here's

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:56:12 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Sep 2013, at 11:33, Telmo Menezes wrote: Time for some philosophy then :) Here's a paradox that's making me lose sleep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unexpected_hanging_paradox Probably many of you

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
Which reasoning is clearly false? Here's what I'm thinking: 1) The conclusion I won't be surprised to be hanged Friday if I am not hanged by Thursday creates another proposition to be surprised about. By leaving the condition of 'surprise' open ended, it could include being surprised that the

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
I don't see how reporting on something that people have known for thousands of years is new or unexpected. It's new because most white, educated reading audiences at that time didn't hang out with Huichol shamans. It's like saying 'why would anyone listen to Elvis Presley sing 'Hound Dog'

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-09-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
about what we have observed of the publicly measurable aspects of life. Most of live, however, is not public or measurable. Good luck on your exam! Craig On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Monday, September 9, 2013 11:39:31 PM UTC-4

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
As usual, I see a microcosm of science in this thread. From Bruno's perspective, the power of reason is in its ability to see through its own bias to find questions, problems, and shades of grey. From John Clark's perspective, reason is about black and white evidence which provides answers and

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-09-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, September 9, 2013 11:39:31 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: (Resending complete email - trying to do this on a phone.) On Tuesday, September 10, 2013, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thursday, September 5, 2013, Craig Weinberg wrote: My position would suggest that the more

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, September 8, 2013 4:42:02 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: Sent from my iPad On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 chris peck chris_...@hotmail.com javascript:wrote: * Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical research program.* I don't have any problem with

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
Free will doesn't seem to mean, in control of events. Free will doesn't seem to mean anything, not one damn thing; Free will means that your own will is relatively unopposed. When nothing is overtly coercing you 'against your will', then you are free to exercise your own will as you

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-06 Thread Craig Weinberg
I don't think that having different concepts or perspectives means that people don't know what they are talking about. Free will is a concept which is so fundamental that it is literally necessary to have free will before you can ask the question of what it is. I think that it is the claim that

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-09-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
of insight. i just think you havent looked hard enough I can tell from your responses that you haven't looked at my blindness at all, only your own, dressed up to sound like me. Craig On Tuesday, September 3, 2013, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 8:57:13 PM UTC-4

Re: God's God

2013-09-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
I agree with everyone else - not bad overall, but the weak ending paves the way for a sequel. In the next chapter, the bland, self-satisfied humanity character begins to wonder why and how this 'imagination' came to be, and why fear and grief are, in and of themselves, invitations for fiction

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-09-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
to think'... Thanks, Craig On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 11:36:29 PM UTC-4, Dennis Ochei wrote: 1) rationality (logic) in this case is to mean founded on justified principles. This is inherently

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-09-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
going to take a miracle for people to adjust to a different view. It's like a hardcore meth addict considering for the first time that maybe there is a down-side to the drug. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Wednesday, September 4

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-09-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
it is. On Wednesday, September 4, 2013, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 2:45:30 PM UTC-4, Dennis Ochei wrote: Rules don't produce anything, just as triangles or steps don't produce anything What about something like Conway's Game of Life? Why is it wrong to see the behavior

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-09-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, September 2, 2013 11:50:34 PM UTC-4, Dennis Ochei wrote: Hi Craig, I've been following the pattern of thought you've be exhibiting this entire thread, trying to understand why you believe in such a strange way. I would not say that I believe. I have a set of hypotheses which I

Re: Is Determinism Falsifiable?

2013-09-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
Is MWI falsifiable? On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 12:22:29 PM UTC-4, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Since MWI is deterministic, and MWI has not beean falsfied... your statement is wrong. Quentin 2013/9/3 John Clark johnk...@gmail.com javascript: Determinism is not only falsifiable it has been

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-09-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
as to the nature of sense, motive/will, and the difference between a mechanism assembled from the outside in, and an experience which defines itself from the inside out. Thanks, Craig On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Monday, September 2

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-09-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 12:41:09 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 9/2/2013 8:50 PM, Dennis Ochei wrote: No matter how complex a system is, it can never be complex enough to contain itself, and is therefore unable to perceive itself directly as a deterministic process. Only in the

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-09-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
It's a sleight of hand because it assumes a single self on a single level which does the wanting and the willing and the discerning between the two. On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 6:54:46 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Dennis Ochei

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-09-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
:46 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Monday, September 2, 2013 11:50:34 PM UTC-4, Dennis Ochei wrote: Hi Craig, I've been following the pattern of thought you've be exhibiting this entire thread, trying to understand why you believe in such a strange way. I

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-09-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:42:53 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 9/3/2013 12:32 PM, Dennis Ochei wrote: Telmo and Brent, The Humean quote sums it up nicely. You can think of a human as a collection of desires and a reasoning process that arbitrates between and attempts to realize

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-09-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
:33 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:42:53 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 9/3/2013 12:32 PM, Dennis Ochei wrote: Telmo and Brent, The Humean quote sums it up nicely. You can think of a human as a collection of desires

Re: Spontaneous Brain Activity Controls Behavior

2013-09-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
. Spontaneous doesn't mean what you think it means. On 02/09/2013, at 12:35 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: http://ac.els-cdn.com/S089662730700/1-s2.0-S089662730700-main.pdf?_tid=4e78eb70-1321-11e3-bc23-0aab0f01acdnat

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-09-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, September 2, 2013 2:11:05 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 9/2/2013 7:34 AM, chris peck wrote: The study you're citing firstly claims the 60% of the variance they uncovered is explained by 'spontaneous' brain activity not 60% of all brain activity. More importantly, by spontaneous

Re: Spontaneous Brain Activity Controls Behavior

2013-09-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, September 2, 2013 2:35:43 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 9/2/2013 9:48 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Finally, there was a pronounced difference in the effect of regressing out *spontaneous* activity on the left SMC BOLD-behavior relationship with instructed versus *spontaneous

Is Determinism Falsifiable?

2013-09-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
Is it scientific? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

Re: Spontaneous Brain Activity Controls Behavior

2013-09-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
anything that you are claiming. Thanks, Craig All the best. --- Original Message --- From: Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: Sent: 3 September 2013 2:48 AM To: everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: Subject: Re: Spontaneous Brain Activity Controls Behavior Finally

Re: Spontaneous Brain Activity Controls Behavior

2013-09-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, September 2, 2013 7:54:45 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 9/2/2013 4:45 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, September 2, 2013 7:31:57 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 9/2/2013 3:56 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, September 2, 2013 6:11:51 PM UTC-4, chris peck wrote: Hi

Spontaneous Brain Activity Controls Behavior

2013-09-01 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://ac.els-cdn.com/S089662730700/1-s2.0-S089662730700-main.pdf?_tid=4e78eb70-1321-11e3-bc23-0aab0f01acdnat=1378052132_997e220cfcf62a6d02d5ccd22660a221 The resting brain is not silent, but exhibits organized fluctuations in neuronal activity even in the absence of tasks or

RE: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-31 Thread Craig Weinberg
The example of heliocentric vs geocentric views is a good one to show the limitation of the reductionist impulse. While Earth happens to be a part of a heliocentric topology, the fact that it is easy to mistake the Sun for the more 'moving object' is not in any way an endorsement of the

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-08-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
21, 2013 8:33:06 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 21 August 2013 03:59, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: It is possible to make the distinction between doing something by accident and intentionally, between enslavement and freedom, while still acknowledging that brain mechanisms

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-08-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
: To: everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: Subject: Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:33:06 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 21 August 2013 03:59, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: It is possible to make the distinction between doing something

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-08-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:33:06 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 21 August 2013 03:59, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: It is possible to make the distinction between doing something by accident and intentionally, between enslavement and freedom, while still

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-08-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, August 19, 2013 11:02:00 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 17 August 2013 04:01, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: The objection that the terms ‘consciousness’ or ‘free will’ are used in too many different ways to be understandable is one of the most common

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-08-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
/alphanumeric detection doesn't have the harmonic oscillation and melodic structure to contain music theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-so_story Try again? Craig On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 2:47 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/17/2013 10:09 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Don't be so

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
Coincidental post I wrote yesterday: It may not be possible to imitate a human mind computationally, because awareness may be driven by aesthetic qualities rather than mathematical logic alone. The problem, which I call the Presentation Problem, is what several outstanding issues in science

Antrhopic Principle of Sense

2013-08-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
The connection between self-organization and decreasing entropy – which I’ve considered dozens of times before, today gave me an interesting insight which connects self-organization and sense, which I hope could contribute to a mathematical appreciation of sense. It goes like this:* If you

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-08-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:59:26 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 8/17/2013 2:01 PM, John Mikes wrote: Consciousness is different: it is a hoax some high hatted scientists/pholosophers invented to make themselves smart. No basis, every author uses the term for a content that fits her/his

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-08-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, August 17, 2013 11:14:22 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 8/17/2013 7:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:59:26 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 8/17/2013 2:01 PM, John Mikes wrote: Consciousness is different: it is a hoax some high hatted scientists

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-08-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, August 18, 2013 12:24:18 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 8/17/2013 8:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, August 17, 2013 11:14:22 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 8/17/2013 7:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:59:26 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 8

Re: Freebits

2013-08-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
What new perspectives would you say are revealed in the paper? Can you sum them up? Craig On Friday, August 16, 2013 1:50:04 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: Here's a fascinating essay by Scott Aronson that is a really scientific, operational exposition on the question of 'free will'; one which

Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-08-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
The objection that the terms ‘consciousness’ or ‘free will’ are used in too many different ways to be understandable is one of the most common arguments that I run into. I agree that it is a superficially valid objection, but on deeper consideration, it should be clear that it is a specious

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-08-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, August 16, 2013 2:45:56 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 8/16/2013 11:01 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Nobody on Earth can fail to understand the difference between doing something by accident and intentionally, Really?� Intentionally usually means with conscious forethought.ï

Re: Serious proof of why the theory of evolution is wrong

2013-08-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 3:17:48 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 8/13/2013 12:00 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: John Epigenetic changes do not change the sequence of bases in DNA, and more important I see no evidence that the body has learned any lessons. I see no evidence that epigenetic

Re: Serious proof of why the theory of evolution is wrong

2013-08-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, August 9, 2013 10:37:29 AM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au javascript: wrote: variants like Larmarkianism may well be possible. There are a number of problems with Lamarckism, such as it never having been observed to

Re: Leibniz and bacon - because EVERYTHING goes well with both (therefore not off topic)

2013-08-06 Thread Craig Weinberg
Verily I say unto thee that a crucifix of bacon shall inflict double-monad damage with no saving throw onto all Marxists who gaze upon it or breathe its aroma. - Dwayne Leibniz Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho On Monday, August 5, 2013 11:49:41 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: A wise man once

Re: Whui I keep posting about Leibniz

2013-08-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
Thanks Freqflyer, It's interesting for me because in some respects, Roger seems like a shadow version of myself in that we are both driven by a similar cranksessive motivation to focus on the particulars of the Hard Problem. Having had no exposure to speak of in philosophy generally or Leibniz

Re: The deadly legacy of another lib, Rachel Carson

2013-08-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:35:18 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: Thanks Roger for denouncing the fear induced by liberals and their negative religions, but this is not the appropriate place. It doesn't appear that Roger cares about whether this is an appropriate place - which

Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough

2013-08-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
No, it wuz the Libruls and their evil propaganda against delicious DDT. On Friday, August 2, 2013 1:35:31 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Because of Roger Clough, a less than mediocre Lutheran apologist who considers himself an astute interpreter of Leibniz, a formerly bright corner of

Couple of Posts

2013-08-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
*Relativity and Reality * To what does relativity relate? Before there can be relation there must be presence, and before a presence can relate to another presence, there must be a capacity for detection of some kind. Even collision of bodies should not be taken for granted in physics. It is

Re: The stupid legacy of another crackpot, Roger Clough

2013-08-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
safety and lack of planning is a better option? What form of social organization would you prefer, and how does it differ from Feudalism? Craig -Original Message- From: Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: To: everything-list everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: Sent

Re: We are all naturally racists. Political correctness is likely to get you killed.

2013-07-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:07:53 PM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: Don´t make me laugh. I don´t say that racism isn't a bad thing. It is. I say that the industry of antiracism enforcement is an evil thing. Like is evil to enforce public plumbing. I'm sure that you don't mean to

Re: We are all naturally racists. Political correctness is likely to get you killed.

2013-07-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
their values on you, then how can you claim to impose your anti-antiracist values on them? 2013/7/24 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:07:53 PM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: Don´t make me laugh. I don´t say that racism isn't a bad thing. It is. I

Re: We are all naturally racists. Political correctness is likely to get you killed.

2013-07-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:03:54 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: I can not resist to say something. THat something is innate or natural means that whatever to do with it must take into accout that this is innate or natural, no matter if this is morally positive or negative.

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, July 21, 2013 8:25:35 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 20 July 2013 10:57, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Friday, July 19, 2013 8:21:42 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 20 July 2013 06:59, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: If a dog

Re: Raw Madness, now with Quantitative translations (and supreme ultimate truths, of course).

2013-07-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/782ebd9e4402a824306e64ec89d95b43/tumblr_mqavewIDtQ1qeenqko1_500.jpg More: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: General Relativity and Consciousness

2013-07-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:29:07 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Friday, July 12, 2013 10:49:20 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote: I think functionalism (or more specifically

Re: General Relativity and Consciousness

2013-07-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:06:38 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jul 2013, at 17:29, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Friday, July 12, 2013 10:49:20 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote

Re: General Relativity and Consciousness

2013-07-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:20:42 PM UTC-4, Pierz wrote: John has a button on his forehead with the words free will written on it. It's a bit like Woody's string in Toy Story that causes him to say reach for the sky when you pull it. If you push John's free will button he says something

Raw Madness, now with Quantitative translations (and supreme ultimate truths, of course).

2013-07-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
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Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:00:44 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 18 July 2013 23:20, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I did use the term rational perhaps inappropriately. I meant that some aesthetic choices have evolutionary utility and others not. Nevertheless

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, July 19, 2013 8:21:42 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 20 July 2013 06:59, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: If a dog started talking in full English sentences without manipulation by an outside force the explanation must be in the physics of its body. I

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 5:55:36 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:41:28 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:04:46 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/16/2013 2:08 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:44:20 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/16/2013 1:38 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:18:09 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/16/2013

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:34:19 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/17/2013 8:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:27:14 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/17/2013 10:13 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2013 14:34, meekerdb mee...@verizon.net javascript: wrote: On 7/17/2013 8:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:13:59 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 18 July 2013 14:34, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net javascript: wrote: On 7/17/2013 8:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Monday, July 15

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the connections between words, shapes, and feelings were purely computational? Why not? Being a broken line vs

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