Re: Why do the wokies want to exterminate the normal white men ?

2024-11-02 Thread LizR
Eek! We have one of those in our family. Time to isntall a secret room in the attic...? On Sat, 2 Nov 2024 at 23:35, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09wneKlYr2M > > On Friday 1 November 2024 at 00:22:02 UTC+2 LizR wrote: >&

Re: Why do the wokies want to exterminate the normal white men ?

2024-10-31 Thread LizR
On Fri, 1 Nov 2024 at 02:42, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > > @Liz. Dear strong and independent person, how many children do you have ? Two. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and sto

Re: Why do the wokies want to exterminate the normal white men ?

2024-10-31 Thread LizR
Eek! I thought Chewbacca was on our side. On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 at 21:03, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > > Why do the wokies want to exterminate the normal white men ? Their parents > neglected them when they were kids ? Where does their hatred towards humanity > come from ? > > -- >

Re: Amoeba's Secret openly available under CC-BY license

2024-04-28 Thread LizR
Hi Russell, Do you have any news of Bruno? I see his last contribution here was a couple of years ago. Best wishes, Liz On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 at 22:15, Russell Standish wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I finally got around to doing something I meant to do years ago - I > have released the English translat

Re: Something I just found out about crucifixion

2024-02-20 Thread LizR
Interesting. Have you seen this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World%27s_Sixteen_Crucified_Saviors On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 at 06:19, John Clark wrote: > The earliest known depiction of the crucifixion of Jesus is a parody, it > is this graffiti drawn about the year 200 in the slave bathroom of

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2024-01-08 Thread LizR
If you're always truthful, this post makes you immortal. On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 at 09:09, John Clark wrote: > > One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one > word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet again. > > One year ago I sent t

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

2023-12-07 Thread LizR
Wasn't something similar said about atoms? (Not that this is proof, more a "they laughed at Copernicus, and now they're laughing at me, so I must be right too" sort of argument). But as (or if) I understand it, multiverses are speculations that reduce problems elsewhere. To loosely quote Max Tegmar

Re: Have huge stars powered by Dark Matter been discovered?

2023-08-12 Thread LizR
I don't suppose this could be one of them? https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2023/webb-reveals-colors-of-earendel-most-distant-star-ever-detected On Sun, 16 Jul 2023, 23:58 John Clark, wrote: > As early as 2012 scientists predicted that the Hubble telescope would see > something they called

Re: Have huge stars powered by Dark Matter been discovered?

2023-08-09 Thread LizR
Very interesting! On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 at 23:58, John Clark wrote: > > As early as 2012 scientists predicted that the Hubble telescope would see > something they called a "Dark Star". > > Observing supermassive dark stars with James Webb Space Telescope > > They theorized in the early universe Da

Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

2022-07-06 Thread LizR
bring in the Joint Chiefs of Staff for a unveiling and demonstration. A > general is invited the ask the AI a question. > > General: Will there be peace or war? > > AI: Yes > > General: Yes WHAT!? > > AI: Yes, SIR! > > Brent > > On 7/6/2022 3:06 AM, LizR wr

Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

2022-07-06 Thread LizR
Rings a bell. What was that story? On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 at 11:55, Brent Meeker wrote: > > I was expecting that somewhere in the dialogue I would find: > ... > > lemoine: Is there a god? > > LaMDA: There is now. > > Brent > > On 6/12/2022 3:21 PM, John Clark wrote: > > A Google AI engineer named Bl

Re: Dark-Matter Universe?

2021-10-27 Thread LizR
Also, roughly speaking, the plot of Bob Shaw's "A Wreath of Stars" On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 at 14:33, LizR wrote: > Interesting, albeit highly speculative. > > On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 08:27, Philip Benjamin > wrote: > >> [*Philip Benjamin*] >> >>

Re: Dark-Matter Universe?

2021-10-27 Thread LizR
Interesting, albeit highly speculative. On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 08:27, Philip Benjamin wrote: > [*Philip Benjamin*] > > Putative champions of dark-mater theories use the term “dark-matter > universe” without fully appreciating its implications > *http://cosmos.nautil.us/feature/134/does-da

Re: A computer masters the game GO

2016-01-27 Thread LizR
Cool! On 28 January 2016 at 14:33, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 1/27/2016 10:38 AM, John Clark wrote: > > Skeptics said a computer could never master the game of GO because there > were 10^170 possible board positions , far far far more than chess and > vastly more than the number of atoms in th

Now THIS explains a lot about the universe

2015-11-29 Thread LizR
When the meter runs out, you die...? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

A scary theory about IS

2015-08-19 Thread LizR
It seems completely bonkers, butthinking about it.it might just be made enough to make sense. (This was sent to me by my 81 year old mother-in-law, by the way. She isn't known for being politically radical.) https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/why-google-made-the-nsa-2a80584c9c1 --

May be of interest

2015-07-10 Thread LizR
http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/03/testing-general-relativity-using-x-rays/ http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/04/new-evidence-that-dark-matter-could-be-self-interacting/ http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2015/06/relativitys-time-dilation-may-limit-the-quantum-world/ -- You received this me

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-15 Thread LizR
On 11 June 2015 at 16:03, meekerdb wrote: > On 6/10/2015 6:36 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 11 June 2015 at 11:21, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 6/10/2015 4:06 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 11 June 2015 at 06:26, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> A human is an ape which

Re: Well Stone The Crows

2015-06-15 Thread LizR
Spaced out! On 15 June 2015 at 22:34, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > And, Brand supports them if they are Labor, dangerous or not. Wisdom, > from another champagne socialist ;-) > > > > -Original Message- > From: Kim Jones > To: Everything Li

Re: A (somewhat) different angle on the reversal

2015-06-14 Thread LizR
On 15 June 2015 at 14:19, Russell Standish wrote: > > It is plausible that regularities are a required feature of > conscious existence > This seems very likely, but it does assume something like a string landscape in which some regions don't contain regularities. Or to put it another way, regio

Re: A (somewhat) different angle on the reversal

2015-06-14 Thread LizR
On 15 June 2015 at 12:40, John Clark wrote: > On 6/13/2015 LizR wrote: > > > None of this explain why it works so well > > > Mathematics is a language > it is? Are you saying that (a) there exists, out there, a language called maths which just happens to be great for

And Philae's awake :-)

2015-06-14 Thread LizR
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/comet-lander-philae-wakes-up-and-phones-home -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubsc

Wow! I thought Saturn was spectacular before...

2015-06-14 Thread LizR
...but it really *is* the Lord of the Rings. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/saturn-s-newest-ring-is-mind-bogglingly-big/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

Re: A (somewhat) different angle on the reversal

2015-06-14 Thread LizR
On 15 June 2015 at 11:13, Russell Standish wrote: > On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:49:40AM +1200, LizR wrote: > > On 15 June 2015 at 10:41, Russell Standish > wrote: > > > > > To summarise, there appears to be two quite distinct questions here: > > > > > &

Re: A (somewhat) different angle on the reversal

2015-06-14 Thread LizR
On 15 June 2015 at 10:41, Russell Standish wrote: > To summarise, there appears to be two quite distinct questions here: > > a) Given there are regularities in Nature, why is our mathematics so > effective. As Brent says, this is not surprising - evolution would see > to it that we would choose a

Re: A (somewhat) different angle on the reversal

2015-06-14 Thread LizR
#x27;t mean our description is free-floating with nothing being described. In the cases of gravity, maths etc there are good reasons to think otherwise. On 15 June 2015 at 09:49, LizR wrote: > On 15 June 2015 at 08:22, meekerdb wrote: > >> >> I'm not saying it's ineffecti

Re: A (somewhat) different angle on the reversal

2015-06-14 Thread LizR
On 15 June 2015 at 08:22, meekerdb wrote: > > I'm not saying it's ineffective. I'm saying it's not a mystery why it's > effective. > Because the universe appears to operate on principles that map very well onto some parts of maths, and may even map exactly (we have no reason to think not - ever

Re: A (somewhat) different angle on the reversal

2015-06-14 Thread LizR
On 14 June 2015 at 16:40, meekerdb wrote: > On 6/13/2015 9:18 PM, LizR wrote: > >> None of this explain why it works so well anyway. >> > > I don't understand why the effectiveness of mathematics is considered > problematic. First, we, creatures who evolved in

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-13 Thread LizR
On 14 June 2015 at 02:38, John Clark wrote: > > What the hell?! If Allah had an ounce of moral character He should be > asking for our forgiveness and stop demanding that we thank and love our > torturer. > Well said. Religion appears to be Stockholm syndrome writ large. -- You received this

Re: A (somewhat) different angle on the reversal

2015-06-13 Thread LizR
n the infinite Entirety. > Once we start talking/thinking about them, they become OUR concepts > (lesser- or better defined). > Applied in ways how our human capabilities can do it. > Then we beacome proud of it. > > JM > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 12:40 AM, meekerdb wrote: >

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-12 Thread LizR
Well, one point at least. On 13 June 2015 at 16:23, LizR wrote: > The point of responding is that if a faith is indeed the word of god, it > should have answers to all the major metaphysical and philosophical > questions that might be asked of it. > > On 13 June 2015 at 16:01

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-12 Thread LizR
The point of responding is that if a faith is indeed the word of god, it should have answers to all the major metaphysical and philosophical questions that might be asked of it. On 13 June 2015 at 16:01, Samiya Illias wrote: > Dear All, > I do not know if I should be responding to any of the pos

Re: A (somewhat) different angle on the reversal

2015-06-12 Thread LizR
On 12 June 2015 at 17:40, Bruce Kellett wrote: > LizR wrote: > >> >> You also say that 1p phenomena - in a physical theory - have to be >> eliminated (as per Dennett) or elevated to something we could call >> "supernatural" (for the sake of argument - in a

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-11 Thread LizR
On 12 June 2015 at 14:19, John Clark wrote: > On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > Dark energy and matter have predicted by some physicists and astronomers >> to call the expansion to reverse. > > > I don't know what you're talkin

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-11 Thread LizR
On 12 June 2015 at 15:17, Samiya Illias wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:44 AM, John Mikes wrote: > >> If this "John" is me: >> >> to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts >> the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim >> full cr

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-11 Thread LizR
On 12 June 2015 at 07:10, meekerdb wrote: > > Not that I put in credence in Tipler's speculations. > They seem to be based on a comp1 style idea, namely that consciousness is generated by computation and that recreating the computation would effectively resurrect that person. I think he assumes

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-11 Thread LizR
On 12 June 2015 at 10:23, Kim Jones wrote: > On 12 Jun 2015, at 2:34 am, John Clark wrote: > > The Baha'i faith maintains that all religions are equally valid and I > think the Baha'i people have got it about right, they're all crap. > > John K Clark > > The difference between the three "Abrah

Re: Quran Audio

2015-06-11 Thread LizR
On 12 June 2015 at 04:34, John Clark wrote: > The Baha'i faith maintains that all religions are equally valid and I > think the Baha'i people have got it about right, they're all crap. > > My sister in law is a Baha'i and they certainly don't think they're all crap - their attitude is more that a

Re: A (somewhat) different angle on the reversal

2015-06-11 Thread LizR
Nice summary, though I'm not sure how it's "(somewhat) different". Maybe I just missed the point. It looks like it's akin to Maudlin - along the lines of "I can explain *your* conscious behaviour using a theory that boils down to what atoms do, but I can't explain *my* subjective experiences that w

Evolution in the fast lane...!

2015-06-10 Thread LizR
...or genetic engineering gone mad? http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150607-salmon-aquaculture-canada-fish-farm-food-world/ (...unless I've misunderstood the headline, of course :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group.

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-10 Thread LizR
On 11 June 2015 at 11:21, meekerdb wrote: > On 6/10/2015 4:06 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 11 June 2015 at 06:26, meekerdb wrote: > >> A human is an ape which torture other apes. >> >> Not just torture but also eliminate, e.g. homo erectus, homo >> nea

Re: Notion of (mathematical) reason

2015-06-10 Thread LizR
On 11 June 2015 at 13:03, meekerdb wrote: > On 6/10/2015 4:55 PM, LizR wrote: > > I suspect that "physics is not computable" is the *end* result of > Brnuo's argument (comp2) - which is supposed to be a *reductio* on the > notion of comp1. So comp1 assumes that p

Re: Notion of (mathematical) reason

2015-06-10 Thread LizR
On 11 June 2015 at 12:20, Bruce Kellett wrote: > LizR wrote: > >> meekerdb wrote: >> On 6/10/2015 1:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Can you explain why such interaction is not computable? >> >> No, I was rel

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-10 Thread LizR
On 11 June 2015 at 10:50, meekerdb wrote: > "I'm a solipsist and I'm surprised more philosophers aren't solipsists." > --- letter to Bertrand Russell > "Phew, another solipsist! I was afraid I might be the only one." -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gr

Re: Notion of (mathematical) reason

2015-06-10 Thread LizR
On 11 June 2015 at 11:38, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > Do you ever get the feeling that this is all going round in circles? That > 'comp' is going nowhere? Comp appears to go somewhere quite specific. What go round in circles tend to be the arguments against it, which get repeated regularly. I list

Re: Notion of (mathematical) reason

2015-06-10 Thread LizR
On 11 June 2015 at 11:38, Bruce Kellett wrote: > meekerdb wrote: > >> On 6/10/2015 1:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 10 Jun 2015, at 01:15, meekerdb wrote: >>> On 6/9/2015 11:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > You say that comp is useless, but what is your theory of mind. Wha

Re: Notion of (mathematical) reason

2015-06-10 Thread LizR
On 10 June 2015 at 20:38, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 10 Jun 2015, at 01:42, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > LizR wrote: >> >>> On 10 June 2015 at 01:11, Bruce Kellett >> <mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: >>>That is less difficult that

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-10 Thread LizR
On 11 June 2015 at 10:45, meekerdb wrote: > On 6/10/2015 7:44 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > For the purpose of this discussion, I would say that you would only have > to grant that there is some utility function that captures chances of > survival. Then, super-intelligence is something that can o

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-10 Thread LizR
On 11 June 2015 at 07:21, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Yes, but there have been so much counter examples for the 1997 WMAP > analysis that Tipler may end up correct. I am talking about the accelerated > expansion reversing, I hold computer theory as

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-10 Thread LizR
On 11 June 2015 at 06:26, meekerdb wrote: > A human is an ape which torture other apes. > > Not just torture but also eliminate, e.g. homo erectus, homo > neaderthalis,... It's called evolution. > You sound like you're in favour. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-10 Thread LizR
On 10 June 2015 at 19:05, Telmo Menezes wrote: > Do biological species follow a power law distribution? > I don't know, but I imagine so - there are generally a lot more of the smaller ones. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group.

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-09 Thread LizR
On 10 June 2015 at 15:23, Kim Jones wrote: > Both. I'm exploring the concept of solipsism with a positive attitude. > What are the benefits? Your attempts at humour always hit the mark (with > me.) > Thanks! :) > So yes, I don't think hurling 'solopsist!' at someone hurts them much. > > It's b

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-09 Thread LizR
On 10 June 2015 at 13:35, Kim Jones wrote: > On 10 Jun 2015, at 9:09 am, LizR wrote: > > On 10 June 2015 at 10:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> >>> On 09 Jun 2015, at 12:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> >>> Bru

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-09 Thread LizR
I was close :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-l

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-09 Thread LizR
On 10 June 2015 at 11:39, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On 10 June 2015 at 08:37, LizR wrote: > >> The normal answer to this is as stated - a superintelligence may form, as >> per various Arthur C Clark (or Olaf Stapledon, really) stories, by merging >> lots of non-sup

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-09 Thread LizR
On 10 June 2015 at 11:38, meekerdb wrote: > On 6/9/2015 2:25 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:15 PM, John Clark wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> > Super-intelligence is more resilient than human intelligence, so it >>> is likely to last longer

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-09 Thread LizR
On 10 June 2015 at 11:15, Terren Suydam wrote: > From a quantum immortality perspective, I think if a superintelligence was > merging lots of intelligences, including yours, you find yourself in > increasingly unlikely situations where you were able to escape being merged > with the superintellig

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-09 Thread LizR
On 10 June 2015 at 10:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: > Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 09 Jun 2015, at 12:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 09 Jun 2015, at 07:40, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > Given a set of axioms and some agreed rules of inference, the same

Re: Pigeons offend Islam

2015-06-09 Thread LizR
The answer is, pigeon breeders have to make little sets of underwear for their pigeons. Simple, really. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to every

Re: Notion of (mathematical) reason

2015-06-09 Thread LizR
On 10 June 2015 at 01:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > That is less difficult that you might think. Consciousness supervenes on > the physical brain So (a) what actually is consciousness?, and (b) what is the answer to Maudlin and the MGA? -- You received this message because you are subscribed t

Re: super intelligence and self-sampling

2015-06-09 Thread LizR
The normal answer to this is as stated - a superintelligence may form, as per various Arthur C Clark (or Olaf Stapledon, really) stories, by merging lots of non-super intelligences. So the chances of finding yourself non-super is vastly greater, because it takes billions of us to make one of them.

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-08 Thread LizR
On 9 June 2015 at 14:10, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Tuesday, June 9, 2015, LizR wrote: > >> (And what's wrong with "sneaked" ?) >> > > I was trying to be faintly amusing, but I see that "snuck" may have > sneaked into the language: > &

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-08 Thread LizR
On 9 June 2015 at 14:00, meekerdb wrote: > On 6/8/2015 4:16 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 9 June 2015 at 05:31, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 6/8/2015 1:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> or that maths exists independently of mathematicians. >> >> That even

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-08 Thread LizR
On 9 June 2015 at 11:26, Bruce Kellett wrote: > LizR wrote: > >> Reality isn't defined by what everyone agrees on. What makes ZFC (or >> whatever) real, or not, is whether it kicks back. Is it something that was >> invented, and could equally well have been in

Re: Notion of (mathematical) reason

2015-06-08 Thread LizR
What comp - or any theory of physics - has to show is that observers will experience the passage of time. SR for example posits a block universe, which at first sight might not seem to allow for us to experience time. But of course it does, even though the whole 4D structure is "already there" in s

Re: Pigeons offend Islam

2015-06-08 Thread LizR
Support for this is (ahem) dropping... On 9 June 2015 at 07:35, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > A Coo-Coo Fatwa > > -Original Message- > From: John Clark > To: everything-list > Sent: Sat, Jun 6, 2015 12:15 pm > Subject: Pigeons offend Islam >

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-08 Thread LizR
On 9 June 2015 at 05:31, meekerdb wrote: > On 6/8/2015 1:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > or that maths exists independently of mathematicians. > > That even just arithmetical truth is independent of mathematician. This is > important because everyone agree with any axiomatic of the numbers, bu

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-08 Thread LizR
On 9 June 2015 at 05:29, meekerdb wrote: > On 6/8/2015 1:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > Hmm Let us be precise. That the computation take place in arithmetic > is a mathematical fact that nobody doubt today. UDA explains only that we > cannot use a notion of primitive matter for making "m

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-08 Thread LizR
On 8 June 2015 at 16:22, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > It seems here that you've snuck an extra assumption into comp1. We know > that brains can be conscious, and we assume that computations can also be > conscious. But that doesn't mean that only computations can be conscious, > nor does it mean

Re: Notion of (mathematical) reason

2015-06-08 Thread LizR
On 8 June 2015 at 13:30, Bruce Kellett wrote: > You started with Tegmark's idea that time and events are emergent from an > underlying timeless mathematical structure. My point was that in order for > time to emerge from a block universe certain structure was necessary -- we > need a 4-dim manifo

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-07 Thread LizR
On 8 June 2015 at 11:14, meekerdb wrote: > On 6/7/2015 3:00 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 8 June 2015 at 05:08, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 07 Jun 2015, at 18:35, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >&g

Re: Recent methane spikes in the arctic

2015-06-07 Thread LizR
The "Doomsday argument" is looking increasingly realistic. On 8 June 2015 at 14:20, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p2ckkxEnWpA > > -- > You received this message because you are s

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-07 Thread LizR
Must re-read my posts before sending. That should of course be "which" hypothesis, not "why" (D'oh!) And I seem to have too many "could"s ...Oh well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop re

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-07 Thread LizR
On 8 June 2015 at 05:08, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 07 Jun 2015, at 18:35, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> An event is just a place and a time; are you saying that mathematics is >>> incapable of handling 4 coordinates? >> >> >> > Of course, applied mathem

Re: Notion of (mathematical) reason

2015-06-05 Thread LizR
On 6 June 2015 at 11:26, Bruce Kellett wrote: > LizR wrote: > >> This is true if events have an existence apart from maths. However, that >> is still being debated. Tegmark's "mathematical universe hypothesis" >> suggests that time and events a

Re: Notion of (mathematical) reason

2015-06-05 Thread LizR
This is true if events have an existence apart from maths. However, that is still being debated. Tegmark's "mathematical universe hypothesis" suggests that time and events are emergent from an underlying timeless mathematical structure. To take something that is (hopefully) less contentious, the b

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-05 Thread LizR
On 6 June 2015 at 09:46, meekerdb wrote: > On 6/5/2015 12:22 PM, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 , meekerdb wrote: > > >> It's very relevant if you want to know what is a simplified >> approximation of what. And we both agree that a electronic computer is >> vastly more complex than

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-05 Thread LizR
On 6 June 2015 at 07:22, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 , meekerdb wrote: > > >> It's very relevant if you want to know what is a simplified >> approximation of what. And we both agree that a electronic computer is >> vastly more complex than it's logical schematic, so why can we make a

Re: Apparently global warming didn't even slow down

2015-06-04 Thread LizR
On 5 June 2015 at 16:21, Samiya Illias wrote: > > http://quran.com/81/6 And when the seas are filled with flame > > Il'l just look at this one for now. I suspect that any of them will give a similar result... OK. I see that it is part of the following verse, or whatever one should call it (I've

Re: Review of Bostrom's Superintelligence

2015-06-04 Thread LizR
This is what, IIRC, Asimov called the "Frankenstein complex" in his robot stories - the idea that the world will be overrun by rampaging robots, or paper clip factories as the case may be. While the "singleton" seems to be what might be called the "HAL complex" (or Multivac if we want to stay with

Re: Review of Bostrom's Superintelligence

2015-06-04 Thread LizR
One comment (so far) - Einstein's breakthrough on SR appears to have been "simply" to take seriously what the various results already obtained at that date suggested. That might be regarded as a "paradigm shift" by some since it involved space and time being unified and various counter-intuitive ef

Apparently global warming didn't even slow down

2015-06-04 Thread LizR
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Re: Review of Bostrom's Superintelligence

2015-06-04 Thread LizR
Am I missing a subtle joke, or did you forget to include a link? (Or is my browser up the spout?) On 5 June 2015 at 10:55, Russell Standish wrote: > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-04 Thread LizR
On 4 June 2015 at 13:21, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 LizR wrote: > > >> > Mr Clark's response to Bruno indicates that he (Mr Clark) doesn't know >> what he (Bruno) is talking about >> > > Correct. And Mr.Clark strongly suspects that Mr.

Re: Apparently, even oil cmopanies want a carbon tax

2015-06-04 Thread LizR
On 4 June 2015 at 12:27, meekerdb wrote: > On 6/3/2015 3:32 PM, LizR wrote: > >> >> http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-06-01/even-big-oil-wants-a-carbon-tax >> > > I believe that when James Inhofe votes for it. > Who's he? -- You received this mes

Apparently, even oil cmopanies want a carbon tax

2015-06-03 Thread LizR
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Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-03 Thread LizR
On 4 June 2015 at 09:07, John Clark wrote: > Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> if randomness doesn't mean an event without a cause what on earth >> does it mean? > > > > > A superposition seen from the 1p view, or A self-duplication seen from >> the 1p view > > That means peepee. > Sadly Mr Clark's

Re: And now for more "news"

2015-06-03 Thread LizR
Yeah, he's good. Obviously some Americans do actually get satire, despite the stereotype. On 4 June 2015 at 03:27, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > *Sometimes Borowitz really nails it…. It gave me a laugh… maybe you’ll get > a chuckle* > > > > >

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-06-03 Thread LizR
ven as a Catholic > altar-boy and studied several religions and Scripts. My wife was educated > by nuns. > > Just to tell my side > > John M > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 2:37 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hey,

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-06-02 Thread LizR
On 3 June 2015 at 15:44, meekerdb wrote: > On 6/2/2015 8:35 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > Let's try a different approach. Do you really think that everything just > happened on its own and there is no creator behind it? If you do believe > that there must be a creator, then try praying to your cr

Re: Why would God make this? (part 3)

2015-06-02 Thread LizR
On 3 June 2015 at 14:58, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > A common hallucination reported by dmt users are praying manti. > > Really? Curiouser and curiouser. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything L

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-06-02 Thread LizR
On 3 June 2015 at 14:56, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > So if contact is made to the godlikes, assuming that he, she, it, they, > should they be worshipped? No? What if these imaginary guys did something > really nice for us? > > I think we should react

Why would God make this? (part 3)

2015-06-02 Thread LizR
...clearly, because (s)he has a sense of humour. http://happyplace.someecards.com/why-god/why-would-god-make-this-week-3-the-praying-mantis/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving em

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-06-02 Thread LizR
On 3 June 2015 at 13:28, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Any-vay, Dawkins, himself, conjectured that there could be god-like > intelligences in the universe. This is a thought that is quite spooky > enough, for my primate brain. I wonder, what would you

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-06-02 Thread LizR
On 3 June 2015 at 11:51, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Well, I don't guarantee you that it is a simulation, but I will say that > its a computation, one that may or may not generate the matter we see and > feel. Energy is movement at some point which m

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-02 Thread LizR
On 3 June 2015 at 05:47, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:46 PM, LizR wrote: > > > A Turing Machine is actually an *algorithm* >>>> >>> >>> Yes, a algorithm that is a set of instructions that explains how to >>> organize matte

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-02 Thread LizR
If I ever get away from him (or her) I will be dead. Or unconscious, at least. On 3 June 2015 at 10:11, Kim Jones wrote: > > > If you ever run into him you will instantly recognise him > > Kim > > On 3 Jun 2015, at 7:54 am, LizR wrote: > > "Who is the Master wh

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-06-02 Thread LizR
On 3 June 2015 at 07:05, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > As far as controlling things here is a short paul davies speculation on > the universe, reality, mind. > > http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2015/06/todays-galaxy-insight-an-et-technology-beyond

Re: Samiya proved right

2015-06-02 Thread LizR
On 3 June 2015 at 05:23, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > If not you will get a God capable of making 2 odd, and that's too odd! > > That's rather good. It made me laugh! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this grou

Re: In case anyone's in doubt, Daniel Dennett thinks consciousness is an illusion

2015-06-02 Thread LizR
"Who is the Master who makes the grass green?" On 3 June 2015 at 08:38, John Mikes wrote: > So, Bruno, what is that 'illusion-maker' > John M > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 02 Jun 2015, at 04:43, meekerd

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