Now, the stages, or whatever, of *saMprajñaata-samaadhi,
according to Patañjali, are
vitarka, vicaara, aananda and asmitaa:
vitarkavicaaraanandaasmitaanugamaat saMprajñaataH (scil. samaadhiH).
Furthermore, I 41-46 seem to suggest that Patañjali uses
samaapatti and samaadhi almost, if not total
Still thinking about "The Adjustment Bureau" this morning,
and thinking that although the film manages to turn the
question of Determinism vs. Free Will into a very enter-
taining and thoughtful story, it's missing part of the
picture. I add the third part above, in the Subject line.
What is most
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shanti2218411" wrote:
>
> I also thought the movie was well done.I thought it made
> the point that much of what we do in this life is determined
> by factors which are givens e.g. our family of origin etc.
> It also made the point that it is possible to ov
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote:
>
> The Self is not seen or realized by transcending - which is
> the activity of thinking diminishing into silence/stillness.
Check. (But it is "the temporal period during which the
recognition of the nature of the Self could occur," righ
The Self is not seen or realized by transcending - which is the activity
of thinking diminishing into silence/stillness.
The Self is what we are and cannot be revealed by the non-self. The Self
therefore presupposes everything else in the field of experience,
including the process of transcendi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote:
>
> MMY's original teaching described "no thoughts/no mantra" as
> the temporal period during which the recognition of the nature
> of the self could occur.
>
> That period of recognition constituted either the gradual or the
> immediate u
MMY's original teaching described "no thoughts/no mantra" as
the temporal period during which the recognition of the nature of the
self could occur.
That period of recognition constituted either the gradual or the
immediate unfolding of direct realization
i.e." the self
realizing itself by itse
On Mar 5, 2011, at 8:05 PM, sparaig wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:14 PM, sparaig wrote:
>>
Well it would mean some are reaching the "bottom" of the ocean (TC) in the
bubble diagram, and others are only 'blanking out' at one
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> > >
> > > > If you think its not OK, then you
"Unless you don't realize the Atma, according to Vedanta, there will
not be any realization."
Radhakrishnan states:
Sha.mkara argues that it is impossible for us to know the self (Atman)
by means of thought, since thought itself is a part of the flux
belonging to the region of the non-self.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> >
>
> > If you think its not OK, then you have missed the point. As MMY points out,
> > at least according to HIS theory, you can fail to "transcend" (no thoughts
> > no mant
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:14 PM, sparaig wrote:
>
> >> Well it would mean some are reaching the "bottom" of the ocean (TC) in the
> >> bubble diagram, and others are only 'blanking out' at one of the subtle
> >> waves towards the bottom, in a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut wrote:
> >
> > > Chakras, Soul, are not mentioned in the argumentation of
> > > Lawson and Judy. If you mention them, they
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> >
> > > If you think its not OK, then you have missed the point.
> > > As MMY points out, at least according to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
>
> Excellent, and a perfect followup to all of the back
> and forth here about free will vs. determinism. This
> film is based on a short story by Philip K. Dick, by
> far the most interesting thinker in the world of
> science fiction, and i
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yep, in his Bhagavad Gi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut wrote:
>
> > Chakras, Soul, are not mentioned in the argumentation of
> > Lawson and Judy. If you mention them, they ignore it as
> > if you have never said anything.
>
> Excuse me???
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep, in his Bhagavad Gita and Brahma Sutra commentaries
> > > Shankara unconditionally denounced the
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> > If you think its not OK, then you have missed the point.
> > As MMY points out, at least according to HIS theory, you
> > can fail to "transcend" (no thoughts no mantra) every
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut wrote:
> Chakras, Soul, are not mentioned in the argumentation of
> Lawson and Judy. If you mention them, they ignore it as
> if you have never said anything.
Excuse me???
That's simply not true. I've asked you to talk about your
chakra experiences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 5, 2011, at 5:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
>
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >>
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >>
> >>> On the face of it, it isn't at all impossible
I also thought the movie was well done.I thought it made the point that
much of what we do in this life is determined by factors which are givens e.g.
our family of origin etc.It also made the point
that it is possible to over come those factors through intense desire and
effort( the matt da
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> If you think its not OK, then you have missed the point. As MMY points out,
> at least according to HIS theory, you can fail to "transcend" (no thoughts no
> mantra) every time you meditate until your last meditation before
> enlighte
Excellent, and a perfect followup to all of the back
and forth here about free will vs. determinism. This
film is based on a short story by Philip K. Dick, by
far the most interesting thinker in the world of
science fiction, and it's morphed to the cinema screen
well by first-time director George N
On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:14 PM, sparaig wrote:
>> Well it would mean some are reaching the "bottom" of the ocean (TC) in the
>> bubble diagram, and others are only 'blanking out' at one of the subtle
>> waves towards the bottom, in a laya (Non-TC).
>>
>> If you think "that's OK" that seems like a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 5, 2011, at 5:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
>
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >>
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >>
> >>> On the face of it, it isn't at all impossibl
Does anyone know?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfN-7HczmOU&feature=feedrec_grec_index
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep, in his Bhagavad Gita and Brahma Sutra commentaries
> > > Shankara unconditionally denounced the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> But our experience of TM is that it *is* effortless.
> Given that fact, why on earth would we need to
> seriously consider the possibility that we were lied
> to, when what we were told turned out to be accurate?
>
> As Willytex would
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > As I understand it--this is from the checker training
> > course--this is what the phrase "some quietness, some
> > silence" refers to in the checking procedure. When the ey
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote:
> >
> > Yep, in his Bhagavad Gita and Brahma Sutra commentaries
> > Shankara unconditionally denounced the fools who use "om"
> > ... even when they are dying.
>
> TMers probably w
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin wrote:
>
> Â
> Progress in food purity and safety
> Â
> in India, Europe, United States
>
> Â
> Â
> Global Good News   -  4 March 2011
>
>
> A dynamic wave of progress is evident in the area of food safety and purity,
> particularly in
Progress in food purity and safety
in India, Europe, United States
Global Good News - 4 March 2011
A dynamic wave of progress is evident in the area of food safety and purity,
particularly in Europe, India, and the United States, reported a leading expert
in this field.
Dr Joh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote:
> > >
[Steve is addressing me:]
> > > But I did enjoy hearing your point of view below. And
> > > FWIW, I would
Want to see dogma? Notice that Barry has deleted the
post of mine that he's describing to Steve.
There's an excellent reason for that. He doesn't want
any comparisons made between what he claims I said
and what I actually said. And he doesn't want his own
fantasy of what I said to be challenged by
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
>
> There are mornings when I find myself thankful that
> I don't believe in much of anything enough to try to
> sell it as "right" or "correct" or "truth," or in my
> own image enough to try to "defend" it.
And there are mornings when Bar
On 03/05/2011 02:29 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> Hm. Now that I think of it, that's fewer posts from
> this person than the number we *did* have to wade through
> every week back in the Bad Old Days. Thanks for the
> Posting Limits, Rick. Wisest decision you've ever made.
"Wade?" Who wades through
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> On Mar 5, 2011, at 5:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >> That you didn't reach that depth and clarity and length
> >> of time of transcending when you were practicing TM
> >> doesn't mea
Dhyana is the generic Sanskrit word that is poorly translated into
English as "meditation". It is more cognate with the word
"contemplation" (theoria).
I would simply refer you to Wiki for the following words: 1. meditation
2. contemplation 3. theoria.
For Wiki lovers:
The first Chan master t
On Mar 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Vaj wrote:
> Although this was largely lost in India, it was preserved in the Unification
> of the Sun and Moon tantra, of which a living tradition still exists.
LINK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote:
> >
> > The story goes that Maharishi wanted to feel what it was like to live a
> > life in bondage, but after three days he couldn't take it anymore -
> > "Lutes!",
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut wrote:
> > As long as activity is there, even very subtle, there will
> > be the witness, also very subtle. If there is no awareness
> > during the experience of anything, you'll have to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut wrote:
> >
> > > I am not speaking of noisiness. In TM it was embedded
> > > in a cycle. and it was much shorter. I also di
On Mar 5, 2011, at 9:41 AM, WillyTex wrote:
> authfriend:
>> Vaj has repeated this lie here in
>> various forms over and over for
>> years...
>>
> Not to mention that Hatha Yoga is a
> form of gymnastics!
It's been degraded to mere gymnastic poses. They have a minor relative benefit
(activ
On Mar 5, 2011, at 5:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>>
>>> On the face of it, it isn't at all impossible that you
>>> simply didn't reach that depth and clarity and length
>>>
On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:29 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> There are mornings when I find myself thankful that
> I don't believe in much of anything enough to try to
> sell it as "right" or "correct" or "truth," or in my
> own image enough to try to "defend" it.
>
> The alternative might be to...ahem...ma
emptybill:
> Sa.mkhya Slogan of the day
>
First, there is the non-changing Purusha, which is
the One, from which all others things emerge. Second,
there is temporary, changing prakriti, the numerous,
which springs from the Purusha and includes the three
gunas born of nature in varying degree
Makes perfect sense. Some say he was slated to become the chief men's Olympic
volleyball coach for India, had Guru Dev not intervened...:-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote:
>
> Now it can be told:
> Maharishi wasn't really a yogi. He was a gym teacher!
>
> Finally it all
emptybill:
> Now it can be told:
> Maharishi wasn't really a yogi. He was a
> gym teacher!
>
But, how long can you sit in Padmasana?
> Finally it all makes sense.
>
To go to a gym?
> > Mahesh Yogi obviously knew all the
> > basic poses, and could sit for hours
> > in 'Padmasana' without th
Now it can be told:
Maharishi wasn't really a yogi. He was a gym teacher!
Finally it all makes sense.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote:
> authfriend:
> > Vaj has repeated this lie here in
> > various forms over and over for
> > years...
> >
> Not to mention that Hatha Yog
Inspired by a Lawson post, here's the sa.mkhya slogan of the day:
"My transcendence is better than your transcendence!"
A nice encapsulation of the whole darshana.
whynotnow7:
> Who, and what, are you talking about??
>
He's probably talking about information junkies that
are connected 24 x 7, who maintain Facebook and Twitter
accounts, like some Skype users or Bloggers. They are
the new hackers and crackers - Matt Drudge and Julian
Assange types. Except
emptybill:
> Yep, while the wiki rishi-s have the highest
> state and know everything, the "almost" highest
> rishi-s can see but cannot describe...
>
So, we are agreed:
In Sanskrit it's 'dhyana', Chinese 'chan', and in
Japan, 'zen', which translated into English means
'meditation'.
Accord
blusc0ut:
> flatuscendence , Lol you nailed it
>
The 'TurquoiseB' reads this in Message View,
he says there's no information being posted
to this forum - just BS. But, there's still
only one known Sanskrit reader on this forum,
unless you want to count B. Mullquist.
Go figure.
> > Yep, while
authfriend:
> Vaj has repeated this lie here in
> various forms over and over for
> years...
>
Not to mention that Hatha Yoga is a
form of gymnastics!
Mahesh Yogi obviously knew all the
basic poses, and could sit for hours
in 'Padmasana' without the least
apparent discomfort.
This into his
My initial cynical reaction is, of course, that this is all hysterical
bullshit. But, I saw that the guy only charges 8 dollars for a gazing session
so my cynicism lessened. He's coming to Miami in early April so I think I'll
swing down there and check him out with a few sessions. Check out the
Thank you - I am hoping to reach "normal human being" when it is my turn. :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote:
> >
> > The story goes that Maharishi wanted to feel what it was like to live a
> > life i
Who, and what, are you talking about?? Methinks you wrote this one sitting in
one of Amsterdam's cafes, having more than coffee...:-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
>
> There are mornings when I find myself thankful that
> I don't believe in much of anything enough to t
So, it's all about Judy.
turquoiseb:
> There are mornings when I find myself thankful that
> I don't believe in much of anything enough to try to
> sell it as "right" or "correct" or "truth," or in my
> own image enough to try to "defend" it.
>
> The alternative might be to...ahem...make 10 com
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote:
>
> The story goes that Maharishi wanted to feel what it was like to live a life
> in bondage, but after three days he couldn't take it anymore - "Lutes!", he
> yelled, "Get me out of these god-damned bandages!":-)
Dear Jim,
The new up
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Sent: 3/4/2011 9:17:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: Iowa and New Hampshire, here we come
Dear William,
My next big trip to Iowa is coming up on Monday, and I am really looking
forward to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut wrote:
>
> > I am not speaking of noisiness. In TM it was embedded
> > in a cycle. and it was much shorter. I also did not
> > call it PC per se, I was rather responding to Judy
> > call
There are mornings when I find myself thankful that
I don't believe in much of anything enough to try to
sell it as "right" or "correct" or "truth," or in my
own image enough to try to "defend" it.
The alternative might be to...ahem...make 10 compulsive
posts in 2 hours and 20 minutes. Even in M
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> > On the face of it, it isn't at all impossible that you
> > simply didn't reach that depth and clarity and length
> > of time of transcending when you were practicing TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote:
>
> http://parodyfiles.com/?p=2534#more-2534
>
THe Lovecraft one was cute. This one is merely bigoted.
Lawson
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Vaj wrote:
> We at the Council for the Restoration of the Purity of the Tradition have
> determined that there is a further abode beyond Krispy Consciousness:
> Marshmallow Krispy Consciousness (MKC). MKC is a state of consciousness
> which is inclusive of opposite
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2011, at 2:53 PM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > For heaven's sake. How do you know that they are chakkras?
> >
> > How do you discriminate at all if you are in PC?
> >
> > SIghs and shakes head.
>
>
> I believe that's why he's asking
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