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2005-08-07 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Yes, I was in a bit of a hurry earlier and didn't express it very > > well--> going from pure transparent clear light into col

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2005-08-07 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, I was in a bit of a hurry earlier and didn't express it very > well--> going from pure transparent clear light into colors very > definitely has a flavor of "suffering" to it. I'll have to watch > more car

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2005-08-07 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > May perhaps be a different phenomenon then; I have noticed this > particularly when I am fully rested and collected, and the thoughts > are of nothing other than their own emergence from the Unmanifest; > the "su

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2005-08-06 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > May perhaps be a different phenomenon then; I have noticed this > particularly when I am fully rested and collected, and the thoughts > are of nothing other than their own emergence from the Unmanifest; > the "su

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2005-08-06 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim

Re: [FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread Llundrub
May perhaps be a different phenomenon then; I have noticed this particularly when I am fully rested and collected, and the thoughts are of nothing other than their own emergence from the Unmanifest; the "suffering" appears to be inherent in manifestation itself :-)-It's unfortunate you

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2005-08-06 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > My experience on the verge of THA

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2005-08-06 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > My experience on the verge of THAT was *any* thought led me into > > confusion, stories and denial of my true nature. In other

[FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My experience on the verge of THAT was *any* thought led me into > confusion, stories and denial of my true nature. In other words, a > false time and space bound reality. it was truly hell on earth. but > that'

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2005-08-06 Thread jim_flanegin
ldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:10 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated > subject) > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >

[FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > An example of the latter might be BushCo's apparent approach to > terrorism (fighting it "out there" while actually inciting more of it > with the torture-and-terrorism tactics of their own unintegrated > shadow-si

[FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: Rory Goff > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:10 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Random subject h

Re: [FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread Llundrub
An example of the latter might be BushCo's apparent approach to terrorism (fighting it "out there" while actually inciting more of it with the torture-and-terrorism tactics of their own unintegrated shadow-side). This would apparently be self-righteous, holier-than-thou denial and unintegra

Re: [FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread Llundrub
  - Original Message - From: Rory Goff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...&

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2005-08-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/6/05 9:09 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > >> [Maharishi's] response [to people who could have exposed him]

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2005-08-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <

[FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If you can, you will perhaps be a better judge :-) > > A judge's job is to judge -- he will probably be more just if he > acts from Wisdom and Understanding, rather than from self-righteous, > holier-than-thou denia

[FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 8/6/05 12:35 PM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Of course. Finding the "serial killer" in yourself will bring that > > portion into full consciousness, removing its ability to "run" you > > through y

Re: [FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/6/05 12:35 PM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Of course. Finding the "serial killer" in yourself will bring that > portion into full consciousness, removing its ability to "run" you > through your unconscious. It will have become integrated, healed, > made whole. You not only will

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2005-08-06 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 8/6/05 11:29 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> on 8/6/05 9:09 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> >

[FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 8/6/05 9:09 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> [Maharishi's] response [to people who could have exposed him] was to banish > >> and discredit those responsible. Was that fair to them? > > I was

[FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I hear meditation helps free the mind from timecramp (some say it can > take as little as 5 or 8 or 30 years!); I have found this discursive > shit (together with bodymind breath/attention) to be most helpful in >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/6/05 11:29 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> on 8/6/05 9:09 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> [Maharishi's] response [to people who could have exposed him] was to > banish an

[FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 8/6/05 9:09 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> [Maharishi's] response [to people who could have exposed him] was to banish > >> and discredit those responsible. Was that fair to them? > > I was

Re: [FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/6/05 9:09 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> [Maharishi's] response [to people who could have exposed him] was to banish >> and discredit those responsible. Was that fair to them? I was thinking of Rory's response to this ("have you always been fair to Maharishi; to yourself

[FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
TurquoiseB wrote: > In my experience, the benefit comes from the questioning, > not from finding "answers." The more I ask the questions, > the less I "know," and the happier I seem to be. It's the Byron Katie work applied to everything. - PJG To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTEC

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2005-08-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
Comments interleaved below. > > Patrick Gillam wrote: > >> > >> Maybe Rick can find time to poll people who abstained > >> to get their perspectives on the experience. > > Rick Archer wrote: > > Anyone can start a poll, but I'm convinced that celibacy has been very good > for me. I think I neede

[FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I hear meditation helps free the mind from timecramp (some say it can > take as little as 5 or 8 or 30 years!); I have found this discursive > shit (together with bodymind breath/attention) to be most helpful in > *

Re: [FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread Llundrub
I hear meditation helps free the mind from timecramp (some say it can take as little as 5 or 8 or 30 years!); I have found this discursive shit (together with bodymind breath/attention) to be most helpful in *very quickly* unravelling suffering... :-)-You can ask lots of questions but d

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2005-08-06 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 8/5/05 4:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I was celibate myself for a long time, but it was a miserable > > week, so I gave it up. > > > > Just kidding. That's the line that used

[FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/5/05 4:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > My own theory? Assuming that MMY was "off the program" with some lady >

[FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 8/5/05 4:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > My own theory? Assuming that MMY was "off the program" with some lady > > or ladies at some point, he later had pangs of guilt that he > > projected on everyo

[FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My own theory? Assuming that MMY was "off the program" with some lady > or ladies at some point, he later had pangs of guilt that he > projected on everyone else... It's always possible. Also, one phenomenon that defin

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2005-08-05 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Are you saying MMY should have treated them fairly? > > Is this thought true? > > How do you feel when you think this thought? How would you feel > without this thought? > > What about a possible turnaround --

Re: [FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-05 Thread Llundrub
Are you saying MMY should have treated them fairly?Is this thought true? How do you feel when you think this thought? How would you feel without this thought?What about a possible turnaround -- Have you always treated MMY fairly? Have you always treated yourself fairly?The five headed h

[FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-05 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 8/5/05 4:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > My own theory? Assuming that MMY was "off the program" with some lady > > or ladies at some point, he later had pangs of guilt that he > > projected on every

Re: [FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)

2005-08-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/5/05 4:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > My own theory? Assuming that MMY was "off the program" with some lady > or ladies at some point, he later had pangs of guilt that he > projected on everyone else... > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > <[EMAIL PROTEC

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2005-08-05 Thread sparaig
My own theory? Assuming that MMY was "off the program" with some lady or ladies at some point, he later had pangs of guilt that he projected on everyone else... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maharishi's absence of celibacy vows may absolve

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2005-08-05 Thread Llundrub
com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject) Maharishi's absence of celibacy vows may absolve him of accusations of hypocrisy, but it makes one wonder why he asked people in his organization to abstain from sex. Th

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2005-08-05 Thread Patrick Gillam
Maharishi's absence of celibacy vows may absolve him of accusations of hypocrisy, but it makes one wonder why he asked people in his organization to abstain from sex. The most unsavory explanation is that he did it to wield power over them. The best case scenario, I suppose, is that for those