These days, there's plenty of research (well a few studies on EEG is plenty
-sorta) done by non-TMers that find much the same effects as Fred's.
This shouldnt' be that surprising. The desire of Believer Researchers is to
find ways in which TM is different. THey hone their search based on how s
Or like me, you just find it interesting, and enjoyable - like collecting
coins, or hiking in the wilderness. The unfolding of enlightenment can have the
same elements of breathless discovery, and achievement, like anything else. Ego
tripping is always a danger, but that is a well recognized pit
I found the post describing his experience at Arosa. Remember that he wrote
this only a couple of years later, not recently.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/316412
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/316412
Eh.
MMY had a specific way of interpreting things. It has allowed Fred Travis and
others to publish research on CC and get it published in major journals.
It has allowed Fred to talk to famous scientists about conducting new research
on CC.
That's marketing of a sort, I guess.
Which are only talked about for "marketing purposes." Most other gurus
just talk about "moksha" or liberation.
On 06/04/2014 02:05 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Unless you day job is to talk about, teach about, philosophize about,
or even conduct scientific research on, these
Unless you day job is to talk about, teach about, philosophize about, or even
conduct scientific research on, these various purported states.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Once you've stepped over the line with CC you could probably care less about
what state of consc
Once you've stepped over the line with CC you could probably care less
about what state of consciousness you're in and the label applied.
On 06/04/2014 11:08 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
"According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some
years back
"According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back
(which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences),
Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC
was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those poin
According to the passage in Jay Latham's book quoted on FFL some years back
(which is self-reported by Latham just as Robin self reports his experiences),
Latham told Maharishi on a course that the whole thing of TC, CC, GC, and UC
was a lie, and Maharishi seemed to agree with him on those point
How do you interpret my words "way off track," Lawson? Do you even read what I
write in my posts?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
You think that buzzing the Dome in helicopters and dropping leaflets on people
wasn't a bit off?
You think that convincing a lawyer to violate law
need to believe
their chosen guru has it all together.
Personally I think all this states of consciousness stuff is just a hope and a
way of feeling special.
From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:21 AM
Subject:
Robin never intended to not be a part of the organization, actually. He wanted
to reform it, not leave it.
And he didn't "want" anything specific after he became enlightened. According
to him, his experience was that he no longer had any personal desires. If you
read his posts, what Xeno goes
You think that buzzing the Dome in helicopters and dropping leaflets on people
wasn't a bit off?
You think that convincing a lawyer to violate laws (which was mentioned in the
court proceedings) wasn't a bit off?
Robin was clearly unbalanced at that point, which goes along with my analy
Gee, if he's not enlightened now, then we can be sure he wasn't "fully
enlightened" back then, either, eh?
And as I said, Maharishi asking him to describe his legitimate Unity
experiences says nothing about whether Robin would CONTINUE to have Unity
experiences tomorrow or whatever.
Ma
Whether or not Robin co-opted Maharishi's teaching is to me not an important
point, since every teacher that goes out on their own rather than being part of
some organization has co-opted the teachings of those before them and probably
added to, and subtracted from them as well.
I do not see
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
This is one of the reasons I think all these states of consciousness outlined
by Marshy the Huckster are just a bunch of blabber. By his definition, Unity is
PERMANENT! One does not have it and then leave it. If it is our true nature,
how coul
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I just found a post from Robin that makes what he had in mind explicit (if
not, er, perfectly clear). Excerpt:
"What I did believe...was that my enlightenment had opened up a truth that was
intrinsically relevant to to Western Civilization, a
elieve
their chosen guru has it all together.
Personally I think all this states of consciousness stuff is just a hope and a
way of feeling special.
From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 4,
I just found a post from Robin that makes what he had in mind explicit (if not,
er, perfectly clear). Excerpt:
"What I did believe...was that my enlightenment had opened up a truth that was
intrinsically relevant to to Western Civilization, and this was all about the
drama of *individuation*.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Well, perhaps you didn't see his behavior as co-opting Maharishi's teachings,
but giving people advice on how to make TM-Sidhis practice better, certainly is
the kind of thing that I would call "co-opting Maharishi's teaching."
Notice I didnt
I don't know the story behind Robin's adding to the sutras, so I can't comment
on what he intended. At the time, he obviously thought Maharishi would approve,
or he wouldn't have demanded that he validate it for the court case. According
to Robin, Maharishi's denial, without explanation, in his
Well, I sure don't know whether Maharishi could ever have declared someone to
be "fully enlightened" or "permanently enlightened." I do know Robin never used
either of those terms here to describe his state (I did a search), nor did he
say Maharishi had. So that's just a red herring from your ow
Small ego is what, exactly?
In CC, or GC, or UC or whatever, there are still ambitions, goals, feelings of
inadequacy or adequacy, egomania or humility,etc.
It's all just physiological changes in the brain that bring about a shift in
how the self and its relationship to the world is percei
Exactly - the small ego is transcended once CC is stable, and then this
newly-permanent sense-of-self, discovered in CC, is first brought to fruition
in UC, and again transcended, once a person begins to grow beyond UC. Yes, none
of this is static, nor does it conform strictly to the implied lin
Ego isn't really transcended in CC.
All that happens in CC is that the physiological correlates of pure
consciousness during TM have become strong enough and consistent enough outside
of meditation that a pure "sense of self" is present at all times in all
circumstances, whether one is waking
From what I can tell, UC is the highest state of consciousness, that uses the
absolute identity of the Self, as a reference point. That is still a
considerable limitation. Once the Self, and the identity are free from one
another, then the states of consciousness after UC, come into view. Just a
Well, perhaps you didn't see his behavior as co-opting Maharishi's teachings,
but giving people advice on how to make TM-Sidhis practice better, certainly is
the kind of thing that I would call "co-opting Maharishi's teaching."
Notice I didnt' mean that he co-opted Maharishi's teachigns as his
I was dubious of his full enlightenment, and as far as I can tell, what
Maharishi said to him isn't "you're fully enlightened," but "your experiences
of Unity are valid -please share them."
If you look at how he described CC, GC, UC, etc., he couldn't possibly ever
declare someone "fully enli
I wrote:
Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've
already pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he
did indeed ask for a formal nod from Maharishi as to his enlightenment and the
changes he wanted to make to the movement. Maharis
That was about all you ever said to him, that you were dubious of his
enlightenment, to the best of my recollection.
Also, Robin had no intention of co-opting Maharishi's teaching, as I've
already pointed out here recently (so has Ann, who was with him at MIU), and he
did indeed ask for a for
I'd have to take a long step back to be sure which swipes you think I've taken,
otehr than chalenging Robin's take on his own enlightenment.
Of course, I have always held that neither Maharishi nor Gurudev was perfectly
enlightened, either, but neither of them decided that they could take othe
Of course you take it as a swipe at Robin. As far as I can recall, you've done
nothing but swipe at him ever since he got here.
He went to the trouble of writing you two long, detailed posts explaining how
he viewed the TM-Sidhis, basically saying you were technically correct, but
that there
Fair enough.
We'd have to ask him to be sure, of course.
The fact that he never bothered to learn the TM-Sidhis was quite interesting,
especially in-line of Maharishi's comment that they would educate certain
people about their own state of enlightenment once they practiced them.
I tak
The DLF's and Maharishi Foundation's Forms 990 is online.
The math is rather easy:
The DLF pays about $300/student for a TM teacher to go and teach 200 students
in a public school and provide dedicated followup for them for the school year
(after which they're referred to the local TM cent
On 6/3/2014 2:09 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
So you're sayin' that one of the other reasons you admire Maharishi is
that he established a "new beggar class," elevating a few people to a
supposed "higher" status within the hierarchy of his organization on
the bas
ble donations.
We're all beggars and we are all benefitting from the support of others in one
way or ten.
From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
I
fieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
I personally think that Robin went over teh edge as soon as he stopped
meditating regularly.
Why?
Because Maharishi said over and over again, that the time when enlight
sting world view. :-)
From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
I know nothing about CIA agents save the rumors.
But, when I was discussing Purusha with someone on
You said it was your "impression" that he came to grief 30 years ago because he
stopped meditating regularly once he thought he'd become enlightened.
I asked where you could have gotten that impression.
You responded that he had told you last year (actually two years ago; I
checked) that h
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
So you're sayin' that one of the other reasons you admire Maharishi is
m: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
I personally think that Robin went over teh edge as soon as he stopped
meditating regularly.
Why?
Because Maharish
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
I know nothing about CIA agents save the rumors.
But, when I was discussing Purusha with someone on Purusha, they said that the
TM organization encouraged people to find sponsors to keep them in the program.
y for their lives so that they wouldn't have to work.
That's an interesting world view. :-)
From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
Michael, Michael, this is so radical of you! That MMY and the TMO had
shortcomings in your opinion? You are being so harsh on MMY and the TMO. You
make it sound
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
Michael, Michael, this is so radical of you! That MMY and the TMO had
shortcomings in your opinion? You are being so harsh on MMY and the TMO. You
make it sound
Well, I miss both the irony AND what you are trying to say about what I
actually said.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Good grief, Lawson. You just said you thought he fell apart because he had
stopped meditating--but that would have been 30 years ago. How on earth does
w
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Oh, okay, thanks for the clarification. It really sounds like what Robin was
doing was even a little more weird than I understood. I think he miscalculated
quite a bit. But he aimed for the fences, so I give him credit for that. (-:
I won
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I asked him specifically if he still meditated, and he said no, and that he
suspected that if he did, he might feel better.
I am pretty sure Robin would never do TM again as long as he lives. Too
dangerous for him.
My impression is that
This is correct, but Maharishi just had him speak to the CPs of the course he
was on at the time, not "the masses."
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
My understanding is that on a course, Maharishi heard Robin describe his
experiences and said that he was having legitimate Unity e
Yes, he miscalculated wildly, no question about that. He really did believe
Maharishi was 100 percent behind him because he'd gotten, according to him, no
negative signals whatsoever from Maharishi up to that point.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Oh, okay, thanks for the clarif
Good grief, Lawson. You just said you thought he fell apart because he had
stopped meditating--but that would have been 30 years ago. How on earth does
what he told you last year validate that, in your mind? I think this is the
weirdest thing I've ever seen you say.
Of course he stopped medit
On 6/2/2014 7:33 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
> you are talking junk. MMY and his sales organization were nowhere near
> perfect. Huckster and liars - still are.
>
It must have been kind of tough, getting fired from a menial job like
that at MIU and kicked out
I would say most, yes most everyone I knew had read the books of different
teachers. Granted, it wasn't easy to check them all out in person. But you
paint a picture of naivete that I'm afraid is not accurate.
And again Barry, I must ask, if the going from teacher to teacher has really
work
9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Wowzer. I don't think that's the issue Michael, this seeing of other teachers.
That was not the problem the primary problem with RWC. Yes, if you became a
follower, evidently the
, if either of them had been what they
had claimed to be, no one would have looked twice at Robin.
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
My understanding is that on a course, Maharishi heard Robin describe his
experiences and said that he was having legitimate Unity experiences and asked
Robin to speak to teh masses.
Robin took this as a declaration by Maharishi that Robin was fully
enlightened, and so it went...
My impres
On 6/2/2014 9:24 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Thus, having done that for many years with Maharishi, they brought
those same low standards to Robin, and he lived down to them.
>
Robin just can't compare to the high standards brought to the stage by
the Zen Master
Oh, I missed Barry's point about "sweet poison". Oh, okay, well I guess MMY
wasn't inclined to give SSRS a ringing endorsement. If that's all that's
leaked out of MMY's supposed denigrating of Ravi's technique, I guess it's
pretty mild.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I think
Oh, okay, thanks for the clarification. It really sounds like what Robin was
doing was even a little more weird than I understood. I think he miscalculated
quite a bit. But he aimed for the fences, so I give him credit for that. (-:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Robin wasn
I asked him specifically if he still meditated, and he said no, and that he
suspected that if he did, he might feel better.
My impression is that he had stopped meditating well before his epiphany that
Hindu stuff was Bad, Very Bad™ because he believed he no longer needed to.
I might be wr
I have no idea where you got the idea that Robin stopped meditating regularly
before things fell apart. That's a conjecture with no basis in anything he or
anybody else ever said.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I personally think that Robin went over teh edge as soon as he stop
Life]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
I know nothing about CIA agents save the rumors.
But, when I was discussing Purusha with someone on Purusha, they said that the
TM organization encouraged
14 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
You may have addressed this before I came on FFL , but were you still a student
and got kicked out of MIU when you joined up with RC? Or did you just leave the
university, or had you
dLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
but most people know Robin was more than a bit unbalanced
From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
The interes
ups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
Part of the reason why Maharishi managed to usher in the Age of
Enlightenment was just this; he invited the "assholes" into his organization to
neutralize the enormous stress they rep
My understanding is that SSRS parted ways with MMY because SSRS wanted the TMO
to teach SSRS's breathing techniques and that MMY say that SSRS would have to
teach those in his own organization. MMY commented after SSRS left (seconds?
minutes? weeks? years?) that meditators should beware of sweet
lflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
It is only my opinion, but I think the number of people who were willing to go
see
The truth is that Barry was terribly threatened by Robin, and still is. When
Robin was here, he was charismatic, intelligent, charming, and witty. He did
have some strange ideas, but he didn't try to impose them on anybody. A few
people didn't like him, but at least as many did, and he had many
, he agreed with your view of the TMO in many respects.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
but most people know Robin was more than a bit unbalanced
From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 12:44 PM
S
rs to smuggle across
borders.
From: nablusoss1008
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
All teachers, including Maharishi, want energy to move in one direction
according to
o.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
It is only my opinion, but I think the number of people who were willing to go
see Robin and to beco
born? What
bullshit.
From: nablusoss1008
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
Part of the reason why Maharishi managed to usher in the Age of Enlightenment
was just this; he invited the "assholes&
but most people know Robin was more than a bit unbalanced
From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
The interes
Marshy and his TMO - in other words, if either of them had been what they
had claimed to be, no one would have looked twice at Robin.
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldL
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]"
It is only my opinion, but I think the number of people who were willing to go
see Robin and to become part of his group is indicative of the shortcomings of
both Marshy and his TMO - in
nanda.
*From:* "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
*To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
*Sent:* Monday, June 2, 2014 10:24 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
*From:* "Michae
I were talking about that the other day - that sometimes, instead of
turning the other cheek, you must personally deliver negativity right back to
its source, and on its own terms.
From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June
the Robin thing was not for
the faint of heart. It was pretty much what going on a rounding course was not
- in both good ways and bad ways.
From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLi
Life@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 10:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
I forget Sal, who is it that claims TM did not, of does not have some
cultish elements about it? I mean, I know you have a minor orgasm when you
come upon some new example.
I left b
fakir, Muktananda.
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
From: "Michael Jac
to pass them off to former TM teachers, the
very people who taught you to parrot them.
L
From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 10:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
I forget Sal, who
On 6/2/2014 8:28 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Yes indeedy. Not being asleep at night is certainly the mark of a cult
fanatic. I think it's rather strange to worry and calculate what time
people around here post.
>
When you've got nothing better to do, keeping track of the
On 6/2/2014 8:22 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
When Barry, for example, talks about the slights and alienation he
endured while a TM teacher, the events are so fresh in his mind, the
reader might be forgiven, thinking that Barry is a current TM teacher,
who is just h
From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
It is only my opinion, but I think the number of people who were willing to go
see Robin and to become part of his group is indicative of the shortcomings of
both Marshy and his TMO - in other words, if either of them had been what
.
From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Wowzer. I don'
Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
In fact, the whole thing about "not seeing other followers" concerns group
meditation in the Domes in Fairfield, where synergy from everyone practicing
identical techniques is the entire intent of
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Yes, freaky. I really don't want to see a picture of Barry's "FFL Chart" in
his bedroom, as he describes it - with all the lines of red yarn, torn pictures
of faces, and scribbled angry notes on it - Yow.
---In FairfieldLife@yah
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I think Barry sorta missed the point of Steve's question. Key words:
"significant challenge." He means "somebody like Robin." As I noted, Robin
wasn't just another teacher, he was actively challenging the organization--the
TMO, specifically at
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Wowzer. I don't think that's the issue Michael, this seeing of other
teachers. That was not the problem the primary problem with RWC. Yes, if you
became a follower, evidently there were consequences.
But the situation there, as I understan
On 6/2/2014 6:18 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
And of course, for TM teachers to be dabbling in other practices while
marketing TM as best is a bit contradictory as well.
Again, WHY? Could it possibly be because it might suggest that the
Maharishi dogma "TM is al
Yes, freaky. I really don't want to see a picture of Barry's "FFL Chart" in his
bedroom, as he describes it - with all the lines of red yarn, torn pictures of
faces, and scribbled angry notes on it - Yow.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
On 6/2/2014 6:18 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
This is a lie, Lawson. The "You can't see other spiritual teachers and
still be allowed to go on TM courses" thang has been present since
long before there *were* any domes. It was drummed into TM teachers on
their
And, I might add, that you're still up parroting them at 3:47 in the morning.
I missed this - So sweet, Lawson -- Barry's concern that you get enough rest.
He has shared the same concerns with me, about the hours I keep sometimes,
deeply concerned that, I, too, am well rested. And to think he
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]"
From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]"
In fact, the whole thing about "not seeing other followers" concerns group
meditation in the Domes in Fairfield, where synergy from everyone prac
Sounds reasonable to me, Steve.
What I see going on on this forum, especially with the distortions here,
regarding Maharishi, is that a few unfulfilled jerks on here are simply
projecting their own failures, onto Maharishi, and his organization.
If I consider that every one of the TM prac
More nonsense. Listening to you, is like listening to a child explain their
version of the universe - very few facts, interspersed with immature emotions.
Not convincing at all -
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]"
From: "
rap in the last few
decades was UG Krishnamurti.
From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 10:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story
I forget Sal, who is it that claims TM did not, of does not have som
Story of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, as I understand it. He was an Indian disciple
of the MMY's who apparently achieved enlightenment status, and wanted to do his
own thing.
From what I heard, MMY said "go forth and multiply", which he did.
Did he do it in the movement's front yard? No.
Di
Robin wasn't aiming to usurp Maharishi's authority as a teacher, Steve. He had
convinced himself that Maharishi would grant him authority over the
organization per se, to reform it and mold it into an organization that would
do justice to Maharishi's teaching. Once Maharishi finally made it clea
Again, Robin wasn't challenging Maharishi's teaching but rather the
organization that had been created to promote them. Robin did "remain a slave"
to Maharishi and his teachings even many years after he'd been thrown out of
Fairfield.
I left before the Robin Carlson period, but I imagine he
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