[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-14 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (snip) > > One end of the spectrum is silent me-less > > knowing and the > > other end is dynamic intellectual interaction which > > I would say is > > part of the process of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-14 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It just seemed to be an awful lot of chatter about > > something that is quite simple. It was in serious > > jest. Be still (ala Ramana Maharishi) > > > > Chatter? Oh dear

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-14 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It just seemed to be an awful lot of chatter about > something that is quite simple. It was in serious > jest. Be still (ala Ramana Maharishi) > Chatter? Oh dear, now I am insulted :). Peter baby, that's what this

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-14 Thread Peter Sutphen
It just seemed to be an awful lot of chatter about something that is quite simple. It was in serious jest. Be still (ala Ramana Maharishi) --- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (snipped it) > > > Rick, you need t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Llundrub
bject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen<[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> p.s. Try not using your mantra for several days. Many> peoples minds have incorporated the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (snipped it) > Rick, you need to visit Ramana Maharishi. > Peter, I am beginning to think that you do not understand what I am talking about. Oh well, it wouldn't be the first time...maybe you need to visit Raman

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > p.s. Try not using your mantra for several days. Many > peoples minds have incorporated the mantra into their > chit and it just creates more noise. Notice how you > don't transcend anymore like you used to? > Self-Inq

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread jim_flanegin
interesting part about the samscaries...I'll have to give it a try again and see what is left. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The mind really quiets down quickly.and then can > becomes completely still. It is a very, powerful > process. It bu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Peter Sutphen
The mind really quiets down quickly.and then can becomes completely still. It is a very, powerful process. It burns out samskaras much faster than a mantra, but it won't produce much bliss like TM, but it will create incredible mental clarity/stillness. --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread jim_flanegin
I remember trying this when you mentioned it a few weeks ago and it is a neat experience- a pleasant relief from all the relative functioning. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Self-Inquire. Sit quietly and place your attention on > your sense of "

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: SNIP > In every single case where someone has claimed to enlightened a la "TM" > their View (their inner POV/cosmology) matched precisely the vague > definitions MMY has given, often slightly embellished with a > sprinkling o

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >We are discussing here (I thought) how a thinking > > > process could be going on without the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > If, on the other hand, the daily experience is > that "there is no > I" doing anything. Things just happen, as they > should. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogrou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread anonymousff
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If, on the other hand, the daily experience is that "there is no I" doing anything. Things just happen, as they should. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "as they shoul

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >We are discussing here (I thought) how a thinking > > process could be going on without the indweller doing that thinking. > > Your assumption

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Llundrub
e] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do Lundy, you'd love Drukpa Kunlegs, the Divine Madman. Here's the story of the enlightenment of Apa (more at http://www.keithdowman.net/books/dm.htm) .Apa's Refuge in SexOn his return from

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread jim_flanegin
Great image! Thanks, Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Its like a mad uncle who is locked in a glass cage, with one way > mirrors, in a symphony hall. The uncle hears symphonic music and is > conducting the symphony with his baton. Very skillyfull

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >We are discussing here (I thought) how a thinking > process could be going on without the indweller doing that thinking. Your assumptions appears to be that there is an indweller. There isn't. If there is an indwelling "cont

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >We are discussing here (I thought) how a thinking > process could be going on without the indweller doing that thinking. Your assumptions appears to be that there is an indweller. There isn't. If there is an indwelling "c

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Vaj
Lundy, you'd love Drukpa Kunlegs, the Divine Madman. Here's the story of the enlightenment of Apa (more at http://www.keithdowman.net/books/dm.htm) . Apa's Refuge in Sex On his return from the Long Rong valley, the Lama entered an arid region which he named Lokthang Kyamo (Arid Land). Here he me

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Llundrub
Fuckin A - You have my heart for these. - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, that was the silent extension of my thought: "unless one is > hanging a shingle out for something -- books, seminars, students, > attention." > > I have asked the question, "what is the value (much less the validit

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread akasha_108
D]> wrote: > Maharishi is defining the value, in money for his lineage. > - Original Message - > From: akasha_108 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:08 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Llundrub
Maharishi is defining the value, in money for his lineage. - Original Message - From: akasha_108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread akasha_108
Which raises again a point of interest: what is the value (much less the meaning) of the "title" of enlightenment? Everyone has some sort of experience and knowledge right now. It appears presumtuous to know, much less claim that this is the "end-state", much less that it is a permanent end-state.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Good morning Uncle T: > > > > > > Bon après-midi...I'm in a different time zone. > > > > So Unc, what are you doing in France? Retired? > Working? Where in > > France? I spent some interesting time and > Courcheval and Biarritz. > > Just curiou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread TurquoiseB
> > > Good morning Uncle T: > > > > Bon après-midi...I'm in a different time zone. > > So Unc, what are you doing in France? Retired? Working? Where in > France? I spent some interesting time and Courcheval and Biarritz. > Just curious. No problemo. I'm in Paris. I came here to write a book

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Rick
There is a book that addresses this idea, it's called: "Halfway up the Mountain, The Error of Premature Claims to Enlightenment" by Mariana Caplan, Hohm Press I read it over a year ago so it's not too fresh in my mind but I do remember thinking that how did I know that the people in the book w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Rick Archer
on 5/13/05 9:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Good morning Uncle T: > > Bon après-midi...I'm in a different time zone. So Unc, what are you doing in France? Retired? Working? Where in France? I spent some interesting time and Courcheval and Biarritz. Just curious. To subscri

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROT

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread TurquoiseB
> Good morning Uncle T: Bon après-midi...I'm in a different time zone. > > That's actually one reason I asked. There are some > > schools of thought (like TM, when I was around) that > > suggest that once realized, enlightenment is perma- > > nent. There are others that believe that it can come

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Llundrub
bject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do Good morning Uncle T:On May 13, 2005, at 9:11 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:> That's actually one reason I asked.  There are some> schools of thought (like TM, when I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Vaj
Good morning Uncle T: On May 13, 2005, at 9:11 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > That's actually one reason I asked. There are some > schools of thought (like TM, when I was around) that > suggest that once realized, enlightenment is perma- > nent. There are others that believe that it can come > and go.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread TurquoiseB
> > Just as a question to the folks participating in this > > discussion, do you assume that enlightenment, once > > realized, is permanent? Since I've been away from TM > > and its teachings for 20+ years, I'm trying to find out > > whether we're on the "same page" here. I certainly do > > not a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Vaj
On May 13, 2005, at 7:25 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > Just as a question to the folks participating in this > discussion, do you assume that enlightenment, once > realized, is permanent? Since I've been away from TM > and its teachings for 20+ years, I'm trying to find out > whether we're on the "sam

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Llundrub
The teachings were Tibetan in origin, and have to do with ways in which one can definitely mess up after realization of enlightenment and make it "go away."  TIA,Unc   Nonesense.  Chagdud Tulku says, "Once one is able to see through samsara, that realization never goes away." (Gates to Bud

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In other words the I am' ness (self) has to differentiate from the I > as an organizing function, that is doing mistakes and learning from > them. When this differentiation has not happened, the self (I am' > ness) is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread TurquoiseB
r bring the eye up close either way you see the light through it. > - Original Message - > From: shanti2218411 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 5:55 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subject

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Llundrub
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 5:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do --Actually it is my understanding that as her brain ca advanced shebegan to experience a "regression&

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- shanti2218411 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --Actually it is my understanding that as her brain > ca advanced she > began to experience a "regression" back into > ignorance ie ordinary > waking state conciousness which included her again > experiencing a > sense of personal self.The latter dev

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread shanti2218411
--Actually it is my understanding that as her brain ca advanced she began to experience a "regression" back into ignorance ie ordinary waking state conciousness which included her again experiencing a sense of personal self.The latter development is certainly suggestive that enlightment is dependen

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Llundrub
In other words the I am' ness (self) has to differentiate from the Ias an organizing function, that is doing mistakes and learning fromthem. When this differentiation has not happened, the self (I am'ness) is vulnerable in the heavy swell of life and also the I asorganizing function can ha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-13 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
Comments in between --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thank you Irmeli for your thoughtful post. In reading your response, I think semantics, treating words with somewhat different meanings and flavors, is the primary difference between our experiences. Pe

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > (snipped the whole thing) > > > > First of all bear

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread TurquoiseB
> > Just to clarify, I didn't actually read that much > > of it. > > Yes that was clear, that you didn't read the post. The post was > substantially about experience. And that is why your post had the > appearance of a hampster (per Judy's cross-post) -- or one flailing > their arms in the dark.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ---A person shooting an arrow aiming for the bullseye who misses, is a failure regardless of path. That my meaning, in the most conventional sense. I get tired of semantics. I get alot of it here. It's all like pizza wi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > akasha_108: > > > You certainly don't read very carefully Barry. Maybe that hampster > > > analogy does fit. > > Unc: > > To each his or her own wheel. Me, I'm more interested > > in getting off the wheel than ponderin

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > > I'd also like to ammend my earlier comment about > experience always > coming packaged with the knowledge necessary to > understand the > experience. Here's a counterexample that I thought > of: that TM > teacher who wrote a book about her

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread jim_flanegin
I don't know if I have a sense of humor or not- whatever. I do know you have me laughing over all of your comments! The zebra tizzy was especially priceless! Better than an amusement park, and I mean that in the best sense! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for writing this Akasha. Made for a very interesting and > insightful read. Thank you. Your comments raised thoughts and some processing that I had not done before. I learned some things. > So now I'll amme

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > (snipped the whole thing) > > First of all bear with me because I have a bad cold and my brain is > baking. > > I thought this was a great

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Becuase *someone* has/had to create that OS and that *someone* is me. > > (or you..) > > = > But why must that be so? > > Akasha d

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: See latest anon reply at the bottom: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > anon repl

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > anon replys to anon. hahaha. > > > Enjoyable ;-) > > p.s. why does God make so many spelling mistakes? > > anon Wa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: Thank you Irmeli for your thoughtful post. In reading your response, I think semantics, treating words with somewhat different meaning

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread TurquoiseB
akasha_108: > > You certainly don't read very carefully Barry. Maybe that hampster > > analogy does fit. Unc: > To each his or her own wheel. Me, I'm more interested > in getting off the wheel than pondering it... :-) Just to clarify, I didn't actually read that much of it. I have developed

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Flappity, floppity, flip > The mouse on the mobius strip; > The strip revolved, > The mouse dissolved > In a chronodimensional skip. > > So who owns the zebra? The tooth paste ? [ I take back the "Sense of humor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread anonymousff
Flappity, floppity, flip The mouse on the mobius strip; The strip revolved, The mouse dissolved In a chronodimensional skip. So who owns the zebra? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sense of humor is not your strongest side, but you r getting

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread Llundrub
Failure? FAILURE? What are you kidding me? I thought you were to some degree a Buddha head. Why don't you just use the all purpose Buddhist tool of "no". No failure, no success, no end, no beginning, no arrow, no target, no path. It's easy, if you try to do something and "fail" just say "o

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread anonymousff
Sense of humor is not your strongest side, but you r getting better. ;) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Because God has decided to assume the identity of someone who cannot > spell well, for the moment. Because God is cloaking Himself as a >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > anon replys to anon. hahaha. > > > Enjoyable ;-) > > p.s. why does God make so many spelling mistakes? > That's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread jim_flanegin
Because God has decided to assume the identity of someone who cannot spell well, for the moment. Because God is cloaking Himself as a person who does not spell well. Perhaps because God just became tired of spelling well and decided that the truth would come out anyway. Because, because because

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > anon replys to anon. hahaha. Enjoyable ;-) p.s. why does God make so many spelling mistakes? anon > > Please see below: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (snip) Moreover, it's dissatisfying to me that I do fail so often in my efforts in spite of 25 years of training. Just as does Maharishi seemingly. Is there a devata of failure? ... > Failure? FAILURE? What ar

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread anonymousff
anon replys to anon. hahaha. Please see below: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Becuase *someone* has/had to create that OS and that *someone* is me. > > (or you..) > > = > But why must that be so? It's not a must, it's just is ! > Ak

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread anonymousff
Thanks for writing this Akasha. Made for a very interesting and insightful read. So now I'll ammend my earlier statements about the utility of self- inquiry: the practice may be helpful to some; it may be attractive to some. Whether these two sets of people are the same isn't so clear. For some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread jim_flanegin
Thanks! Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > human years per your question are just an illusion. No such thing as > time as > what is human idea. > I believe 'no time' became more common starting with Einstein's > theory and quantum physics. >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...and each of your days is how long in human years please? Thanks, Jim > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > though I don't have much work to do (finished it a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread jim_flanegin
Thank you very much to both of you! This greatly clears up or clarifies the distinction between a free Self and the doer illusion for me. All the Best, Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Irmeli: > > An I, who observes, makes interpretations, creates plans, acts, and reacts, and often quite differently than the others. > > > > > > Akasha: > > Why do you necessarily subjectively equate that which observ

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread Llundrub
Well I don't think any less of you because of it. - Original Message - From: jim_flanegin To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Becuase *someone* has/had to create that OS and that *someone* is me. > (or you..) = But why must that be so? Akasha does self-inquiry by which he determines that the whole human mind/body mechanism can take care

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread jim_flanegin
Hi Kirk, This isn't me. Clues are that I don't use the f-word here (at least not without a * replacing the 'u'), nor would I misspell Kodak as Kodac. Thanks, Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Best regards, > Tom, I mean Jim, I mean, or wh

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread jim_flanegin
...and each of your days is how long in human years please? Thanks, Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > though I don't have much work to do (finished it all in 6 days) I > still like to take my lunch breaks. bbl To subscribe, send a message to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >The main question is still pertenent: > > > why

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >The main question is still pertenent: > > why would one claim ownership, even identity with, the OS and/or its > > upgrades, or the proc

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread Llundrub
I may need your 4 line version here (as well as all your posts.) Sothat an 8-year old can understand. Best as I can figure out, you arepresenting me with the middle finger mudra. I assume it has its owndevata, but since you seem to be an ardent adherent of this auspiciouspose, perhaps you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > But I do have one counterargument of my own. The windows XP analogy > is really great, but where do the bug fixes and upgrades come in?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread akasha_108
; From: akasha_108 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:34 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli M

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread Llundrub
bject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]..

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Irmeli: > > An I, who observes, makes interpretations, creates plans, acts, and reacts, and often quite differently than the ot

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You certainly don't read very carefully Barry. Maybe that hampster > > analogy does fit. > > To each his or her own wheel. Me, I'm more int

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You certainly don't read very carefully Barry. Maybe that hampster > analogy does fit. To each his or her own wheel. Me, I'm more interested in getting off the wheel than pondering it... :-) Unc To subscribe, s

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You certainly don't read very carefully Barry. Maybe that hampster > analogy does fit. > > lol oy, my belly, lol > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Akasha_108 wrote

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread akasha_108
RJ, I enjoy the conciseness of your posts -- and their sparsness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My problem with akasha's specious - it's not confusing - it's not adharmic - diatribe was that it was more than four sentences long. Which tells me that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread akasha_108
You certainly don't read very carefully Barry. Maybe that hampster analogy does fit. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Akasha_108 wrote a lot of stuff -- 322 lines of stuff, in fact, > about the issue in the subject line. While I appreciate the effor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread Llundrub
So is your last name  108? - Original Message - From: akasha_108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do A - k - a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread Vaj
On May 11, 2005, at 11:22 PM, Llundrub wrote: What's Akasha's name again. Richard I believe.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread TurquoiseB
Unc: > > We start from where we are and work with what conscious- > > ness we've got right now, here in the present. The future, > > and any subsequent states of consciousness we find ourselves > > in, will probably take care of themselves if we do a good > > enough job with the present. > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We start from where we are and work with what conscious- > ness we've got right now, here in the present. The future, > and any subsequent states of consciousness we find ourselves > in, will probably take care of thems

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-12 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Irmeli: > An I, who observes, makes interpretations, creates plans, acts, and > reacts, and often quite differently than the others. > > > Akasha: > Why do you necessarily subjectively equate that which observes, ma

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-11 Thread akasha_108
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:06 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do > > > Maybe you hit the wrong post. This post was Akasha responding to an > Anon who what commenting on an Akasha post. No J

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-11 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry Jim, I have no idea what that means. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > with all due respect, please quit digging your fingernails into my > > arm. Thanks,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-11 Thread Llundrub
What's Akasha's name again. - Original Message - From: akasha_108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-11 Thread akasha_108
6 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do > > > To which Prick are you referring? Neither is a Tom to my knowledge. > (There are so many anons who would know if one were Tom.) And Akasha > is not a Tom. > &

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-11 Thread Llundrub
PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do To which Prick are you referring? Neither is a Tom to my knowledge.(There are so many anons who would know if one were Tom.) And Akashais not a Tom.Regardless, your comments

[FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do

2005-05-11 Thread akasha_108
;t result in more thorns? > - Original Message - > From: akasha_108 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:29 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do > &g

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