Fw: [FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency?

2009-03-24 Thread Arhata Osho
Time to enjoy! --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "shempmcgurk" wrote: > > I can really identify with Kirk today. > > I'm in a transition in my life in which I am feeling really, really low. > > I've lost almost all confidence in myself. And I cry a lo

[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-24 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote: > > I can really identify with Kirk today. > > I'm in a transition in my life in which I am feeling really, really low. > > I've lost almost all confidence in myself. And I cry a lot (yeah, that's > pretty sappy considering that I'm a

[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-24 Thread Duveyoung
"shempmcgurk" wrote: > I can really identify with Kirk today. > I'm in a transition in my life in which I am feeling really, really low. > I've lost almost all confidence in myself. And I cry a lot (yeah, that's > pretty sappy considering that I'm a 54 year old male). > Any kind words or advise

[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote: > I went to the doctor last week and he prescribed Xanax > for me. But I refuse to even fill the prescription. > I've seen members of my own family get on this sorts of > drugs and it fucks them up for a lifetime. Whether that would hap

[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-24 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: Having re-read my list of things I do to keep my mental head above water, I just want to declare everything I wrote as bullshit as a response to Shemp and Kirk's issues. If you guys are seriously depressed I hope you get some med

[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-24 Thread Richard J. Williams
shempmcgurk wrote: > Actually, it was sheer irresponsibility on my > part and in my heart of hearts I knew it was > not the right course of action. > > Now it's catching up to me. > > But I am beating myself up on it all. Because > I feel I deserve to be beaten up for all the > things I've f

[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-24 Thread grate . swan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote: > > > > > But my despondency is big. And I have no one to blame > > > but myself for the horrible mess I'm

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-24 Thread Vaj
On Mar 24, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Kirk wrote: I can tell you all about alprazolam and diazapam. They are depressant benzodiazapines, used for muscle relaxation and to promote sleep. Xanax has a short half life of only two hours so it also can put you to sleep but then you wake up in just a few

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-24 Thread Kirk
life out yet. And they never will. Religions are not the life of the intellect but the death of it. I do not recommend religion to anyone. - Original Message - From: Sal Sunshine To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLi

[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-24 Thread lurkernomore20002000
problem. I am having to soon check whether I am hypothyroid since I have > eating issues. > > Anyway, the weepy thing I have alway had. I am pretty emotional from the > outset. > > > - Original Message - > From: "lurkernomore20002000" > To: > Sent: M

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-24 Thread Kirk
Or, maybe some physical problem. I am having to soon check whether I am hypothyroid since I have eating issues. Anyway, the weepy thing I have alway had. I am pretty emotional from the outset. - Original Message - From: "lurkernomore20002000" To: Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-24 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Mar 24, 2009, at 12:06 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: I went to the doctor last week and he prescribed Xanax for me. But I refuse to even fill the prescription. I've seen members of my own family get on this sorts of drugs and it fucks them up for a lifetime. Wishing you the best, shemp, but do

[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Not a good idea: beating yourself up. Whatever it > > was you did that created whatever your mess is, it > > was what you thought was the best thing to do at the > > time.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-23 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote: > > > But my despondency is big. And I have no one to blame > > but myself for the horrible mess I'm in. I'm actually > > considering calling a crisis line (no, not for suic

[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Would you consider seeking out some counseling? > > Yes. > > A friend suggested I call a crisis hotline. I've got > the number off the internet and it's sitting on my

[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-23 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > It strikes me that this has to be a tough time for > > > anybody involved in finance professionally.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote: > But my despondency is big. And I have no one to blame > but myself for the horrible mess I'm in. I'm actually > considering calling a crisis line (no, not for suicide... > I'm not having those thoughts), something I've never > before

[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-23 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" wrote: I was touched by this and by Judy's sincere post. This is real live shit. I have some core principles that work for me. Judy hit the basics of rest and exercise and eating well and that is really critical in my experience.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > It strikes me that this has to be a tough time for > > anybody involved in finance professionally. Are > > you having career troubles related to the economic > > crisis? >

[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-23 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" wrote: > > Shempster, glad I may be one of the first to respond here. First, there are > probably a lot of us who are never more than a hairs breath away from crying. > Second, just don't give up, even when you feel like it. Put on

[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-23 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote: > > > > I can really identify with Kirk today. > > > > I'm in a transition in my life in which I am feeling > > really, really low. > > > > I've lost almost all confidence in

[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote: > > I can really identify with Kirk today. > > I'm in a transition in my life in which I am feeling > really, really low. > > I've lost almost all confidence in myself. And I cry > a lot (yeah, that's pretty sappy considering that I'm >

[FairfieldLife] Re: More despondency

2009-03-23 Thread lurkernomore20002000
Shempster, glad I may be one of the first to respond here. First, there are probably a lot of us who are never more than a hairs breath away from crying. Second, just don't give up, even when you feel like it. Put one step ahead of the other, and continue to go forward. Sounds trite, I know,

[FairfieldLife] Re: More fuel for the marijuana debate

2009-03-03 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > Just to continue the dialog on marijuana, here > are a few short segments from a recent documentary. > The first is from Harvard economist Jeffrey Miron, > who suggests that his 15-year research shows that > decriminalization of marijuan

[FairfieldLife] Re: More virtual worlds...

2009-02-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 9:45 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > Swish, over your head > > > > Not actually. I visited both URLs, I read both websites. > Boooiing. > Why on earth would you want to interoperate vi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More virtual worlds...

2009-02-07 Thread I am the eternal
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 9:45 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > Swish, over your head > Not actually. I visited both URLs, I read both websites. Boooiing. Why on earth would you want to interoperate virtual words anyway?

[FairfieldLife] Re: More virtual worlds...

2009-02-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 6:38 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > Well, perhaps I can refrain from posting so much by more > > participation in this... > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmox > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-31 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: > > > > Thanks for your alternating comments. I read them. > > Not sure what to say except, Oh Yeah, you live in > > Scotland, truely a mystical place I wish to check

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" wrote: > > Thanks for your alternating comments. I read them. > Not sure what to say except, Oh Yeah, you live in > Scotland, truely a mystical place I wish to check > out someday since I have a good amount of Scottish > in me. My Grandfather was in Sco

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-31 Thread Kirk
Message - From: off_world_beings To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" wrote: > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-30 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , "Kirk" wrote: > > > > the most effective way to establish that state is by alternating the > > practice of transcending with activity. the easiest way to do this > > is through the regular (2x a day) practice of Transce

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread grate . swan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > I'd be a fool to reduce my conceptual understanding of him to some sort of un-enlightened con artist. I am not attempting to be argumentative or challenging, nor do I have an agenda regarding the Maharishi. I am simply curious (a statement

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > -You say "There's no one there">> I didn't say there is no-one there. You read it completely wrongly. I think you should go back and try again. OffWorld > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > wrote: > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread yifuxero
-You say "There's no one there" then admit that some aspect of mind (even though inseparable from the ground of Being, is able to comment upon that fact). Therefore, your statement regarding "no one" is false. There is somebody "there" within and as Brahman; namely some body/mind. As long as y

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , "Marek Reavis" wrote: > > "I also acknowledge that I have an aspect of my mind that is an > unchanging witness of my personality. It is an artifact of > consciousness and a part of being human if you choose to spend en

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , enlightened_dawn11 > wrote: > > > > your definitions all sound so monkey-like. here's a banana, my > > little

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread Arhata Osho
Some things have no definition! --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, grate.swan wrote: > > A corrupt marketing tool and identity crutch used by those who feel > that the natural culmination of life processes is something that can > be packaged, sold and owned.>> Thi

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , grate.swan wrote: > > A corrupt marketing tool and identity crutch used by those who feel > that the natural culmination of life processes is something that can > be packaged, sold and owned.>> This ironically seems li

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_bein

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , enlightened_dawn11 wrote: > > your definitions all sound so monkey-like. here's a banana, my > little chiquita. > > enlightenment is that state of consciousness in which a person no > longer identifies with, and gets lo

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" wrote: > > > > Very good ! Excitement = entropy. > > > > > > Unfortunately the citizens of Fairfield, except for a very few bright > > individuals, do not understand the power behind and blessings bestowed upon > > their town since the early 70'

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread Kirk
> Very good ! Excitement = entropy. > > > Unfortunately the citizens of Fairfield, except for a very few bright > individuals, understands the power behind and blessings bestowed upon > their town since the early 70's. > > When MUM and the meditators leave, and they finally will, the town >

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > ---Yes, interesting!. Once, (half in jest), somebody told Charlie > Lutes something about "transcending". He replied with a > question: "Do you mean somebody physically dissolved into white > Light, disappearing from view?" (to para

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread Kirk
I had some meditation experiences. I would see lights of all colors, pretty much the entire time. Other things read like 'day and night' experiences of the Buddhist tantric - fireflys, smoke, crosses, eternal knots, melting, expanding, and typical kundalini signs like feeling on fire for w

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread yifuxero
---Yes, interesting!. Once, (half in jest), somebody told Charlie Lutes something about "transcending". He replied with a question: "Do you mean somebody physically dissolved into white Light, disappearing from view?" (to paraphrase). The lesson: the term "transcendence" usually applies to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread Kirk
Enlightenment is different in different states of consciousness. Different tantras will evoke the state of conceptless light vision direct with sight, or work perhaps in less elaborated centers with other formless and unformulable mental or energy states. To at the state of sound and vision to

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > > > Me, EnlightenDawn and Raunch sit around, smoking grasshopper weed > and engage in mental tantric practices between the domes. Oh, by the > way, many years ago I walked between

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal wrote: > I didn't get all that excited when I was last on IA (ended a couple weeks > ago) and I didn't notice all that much excitement amongst the people I spoke > with compared to last year or the year before. Very good ! Excitement =

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-29 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > Let's face it, the TMO would be a lot healthier if people had sex (and chicken sandwiches) on a more regular basis. According to who ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > > > > > --In other words, mind is a secondary witness to Witnessing; a fact > > > even the Neo-Advaitins can't d

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > Let's face it, the TMO would be a lot healthier if people had sex > (and chicken sandwiches) on a more regular basis. > Grasshopper gives Peter one leg up for chicken sandwich idea and two legs up for sex.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread I am the eternal
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM, boo_lives wrote: > > The experience has to fit in with Maharishi's teachings and not be > > conjecture. I had a number of sentences struck out because, > according to > > Doug B, the experiences could not be verified. > snip > > What nonsense. The only reason I

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Vaj wrote: > > > Thanks for taking the time to openly respond to this question. Your > > openness *is* appreciated. > > On Jan 28, 2009, at 3:12 PM, I am the eternal wrote: > > > > What's expected

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Vaj
On Jan 28, 2009, at 6:57 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: --In other words, mind is a secondary witness to Witnessing; a fact even the Neo-Advaitins can't deny. (some mind-entity - illusory o

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Peter
Let's face it, the TMO would be a lot healthier if people had sex (and chicken sandwiches) on a more regular basis. --- On Wed, 1/28/09, raunchydog wrote: > From: raunchydog > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > > > --In other words, mind is a secondary witness to Witnessing; a fact > > even the Neo-Advaitins can't deny. (some mind-entity - illusory or > > not - is making various clai

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread raunchydog
from the domes. He must have been smokin' grasshopper weed or somethin' on a breezy day and he got wind of it. > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: > > > From: enlightened_dawn11 > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 > wrote: > > > > your definitions all sound so monkey-like. here's a banana, my > > little chiquita. > > > > enlightenment is that state of consciousness in which a per

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread raunchydog
ctually, > > > > no "you" to be or not to be. Consciousness becomes conscious > of its > > > > own consciousness and withdraws identity with any space/time > > > > experience. No-Self. No localization of consciousness. Weird > as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread I am the eternal
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Vaj wrote: > Thanks for taking the time to openly respond to this question. Your > openness *is* appreciated. > On Jan 28, 2009, at 3:12 PM, I am the eternal wrote: > > What's expected is that you'll relate a #1 (Unity or beyond) experience. > In the two domes, t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Vaj
Thanks for taking the time to openly respond to this question. Your openness is appreciated. On Jan 28, 2009, at 3:12 PM, I am the eternal wrote: Been there, done that, plan to go back and do it again. There is no script given to the IA CPs. There is no script. However TMO people will be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Bhairitu
ruthsimplicity wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 > wrote: > >> enlightenment is that state of consciousness in which a person no >> longer identifies with, and gets lost in, the objects of perception. >> >> > > This sounds like the "I don't care anymore" d

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread I am the eternal
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM, boo_lives wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > Could you say more about the script - I'm curious what flavor of > enlightenment experience has gotten the approval. Is it still going on > now that mmy is gone? Who listens to the experien

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread I am the eternal
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Vaj wrote: > > > > Of course you nailed that one right on the head--and let's not forget that > these are now *coached* advaita experiences ever since MMY presided over > the course dredging for moods. People are being encouraged to moodmake their > own projected

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > wrote: > > > > > > > > "You" can not get enlightened. This is very true. In waking state > there is an experience of an individuality; a private psychological > self. In waking s

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread enlightened_dawn11
c'mon monkey, you're just making shit up to fit your prejudices-- the reason no one tells you anything except the crumbs you can find scampering under the table is that you're too full of yourself to even hear it. have a banana and stfu. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Vaj
On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:23 PM, boo_lives wrote: Of course you nailed that one right on the head--and let's not forget that these are now coached advaita experiences ever since MMY presided over the course dredging for moods. People are being encouraged to moodmake their own projected feeling-tone

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:02 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: > > > and you know this, monkey, from your VAST EXPERIENCE with TM, > > right??? lets see, 4 years worth according to you, several decades > > ago...yup, qualifies for a banana... > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Arhata Osho
oving within itself. From "here to here > through there" according to Maharishi. Those are good words. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Peter wrote: > > > > > From: Peter > > > Subje

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread yifuxero
--Thx raunch. I like you. Short of defining them, it's easier to say that Neo-Advaitins focus solely on "Being" or whatever term they use (perhaps the Self); but without giving an account of their transition through the relative layers of existence and diminishing the importance of everything

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Vaj
On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:02 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: and you know this, monkey, from your VAST EXPERIENCE with TM, right??? lets see, 4 years worth according to you, several decades ago...yup, qualifies for a banana... Four years? Not according to me!

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jan 28, 2009, at 12:27 PM, boo_lives wrote: > > > That a (shocking small) percentage of long term sidhas have had "from > > here to here" advaita experiences doesn't prove anything about what > > MMY really taught and nurtured in his foll

[FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Re: More defications of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Arhata Osho
ext of pure consciousness. They always were functioning like this, but a delusion of a "you" was present. > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, yifuxero wrote: > > > From: yifuxero > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment > &

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > It is amazing that more people are not Realized in the TMO. One reason, as you imply, is that Maharishi was way too successful in creating a waking state model that explained enlightenment. People have become trapped in the model. How th

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread enlightened_dawn11
and you know this, monkey, from your VAST EXPERIENCE with TM, right??? lets see, 4 years worth according to you, several decades ago...yup, qualifies for a banana... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jan 28, 2009, at 12:27 PM, boo_lives wrote: > > > That a (shocking sm

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread enlightened_dawn11
ese vehicles. They just happen within a context of pure consciousness. They always were functioning like this, but a delusion of a "you" was present. > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, yifuxero wrote: > > > From: yifuxero > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definit

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Vaj
Don't worry, we've set the blade extra low on the akashic landmower. On Jan 28, 2009, at 12:40 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: lol-- i got as far as the grasshopper living among the weeds and then got lost...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Vaj
On Jan 28, 2009, at 12:27 PM, boo_lives wrote: That a (shocking small) percentage of long term sidhas have had "from here to here" advaita experiences doesn't prove anything about what MMY really taught and nurtured in his followers. Reality is from "here to here", people in every spiritual mo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Peter
blowing. One big yoni, one big lingam. Stand back! --- On Wed, 1/28/09, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: > From: enlightened_dawn11 > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 12:40 PM > lol--

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Peter
--- On Wed, 1/28/09, boo_lives wrote: > From: boo_lives > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 12:27 PM > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread enlightened_dawn11
. From "here to > > here > > > through there" according to Maharishi. Those are good words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Peter wrote: > > > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread Peter
like this, but a delusion of a "you" was present. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, yifuxero wrote: > From: yifuxero > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 11:00 PM > --you say, to p

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > > > --you say, to paraphrase: (according to MMY, those are good words). > > But "You can not get enlightened" are your words, not his. > > He didn't often use the E word (if e

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread raunchydog
er. Now you are > > everybody. Consciousness awakens to its bound value of space and > time > > as simply consciousness. All moving within itself. From "here to > here > > through there" according to Maharishi. Those are good words. > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread enlightened_dawn11
dy. Consciousness awakens to its bound value of space and time > as simply consciousness. All moving within itself. From "here to here > through there" according to Maharishi. Those are good words. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue,

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > --you say, to paraphrase: (according to MMY, those are good words). > But "You can not get enlightened" are your words, not his. > He didn't often use the E word (if ever) in the context of a > progression from CC -> BC -> UC; but he mig

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread raunchydog
within itself. From "here to here through there" according to Maharishi. Those are good words. > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Peter wrote: > > > From: Peter > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment > > To: Fairfie

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: > > bravo monkey! chatter, chatter, chatter. are you done playing with > your banana, and have decided to begin chattering again? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > ED, I have noticed that you tend t

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-28 Thread TurquoiseB
if only in a subjective sense. But anything that the person says *about* the experiences and what they "mean" is bullshit. I'm not just being contrary or argumentative here. This is actually what I believe. Today, anyway. :-) > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, ruthsimplicity wrote: > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread raunchydog
Snake! It's a snake! Calm down folks, GrateSwan thought his shoelace was a snake but now that he has blown his nose (properly) and he has greater mental clarity, everyone can put away their snake bite kit. Swan apologizes for panicking. He realizes identifying with the snake was a mistake of his in

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > Now Raunch, did you pull that from memory? Sure, I did, idiot savant that I am or maybe it's just the red pill working on me. > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, raunchydog wrote: > > > From: raunchydog > > Subj

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread grate . swan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 > wrote: > > > > your definitions all sound so monkey-like. here's a banana, my > > little chiquita. > > > > enlightenment is that state of consciousness in which a pers

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread yifuxero
h there" according to Maharishi. Those are good words. > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Peter wrote: > > > From: Peter > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread Peter
hin itself. From "here to here through there" according to Maharishi. Those are good words. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Peter wrote: > From: Peter > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, January 27,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread Peter
Now Raunch, did you pull that from memory? --- On Tue, 1/27/09, raunchydog wrote: > From: raunchydog > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:16 PM > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogr

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread raunchydog
abbit-hole goes. (Long pause; Neo begins to reach for the red pill) Remember -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more. (Neo takes the red pill and swallows it with a glass of water) > > > --- On Tue, 1/27/09, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > From: ruthsimplicity >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread Peter
Enlightenment is not what you think. --- On Tue, 1/27/09, ruthsimplicity wrote: > From: ruthsimplicity > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:10 PM > --- In FairfieldLife@

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 > wrote: > > > > > > enlightenment is that state of consciousness in which a person no > > longer identifies with, and gets lost in, the objects of perception. > > > > Th

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: > > > enlightenment is that state of consciousness in which a person no > longer identifies with, and gets lost in, the objects of perception. > This sounds like the "I don't care anymore" definition of enlightenment.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More definitions of enlightenment

2009-01-27 Thread enlightened_dawn11
bravo monkey! chatter, chatter, chatter. are you done playing with your banana, and have decided to begin chattering again? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: >

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