Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
on 4/20/05 11:38 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Samadhi is an obstacle to samadhi which is why the darshan is needed which is why Guru Dev used an open eye meditation technique. It&#
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Bliss is a trap that can suck the mind into samsaraforever.
Cosmic heroin.-Peterananda-ji---Good point, which is why one must be a tantric master. One
cannot hope to withstand Kali so one must be skillful in action and make her
happy. This is truely the only way. Karma will suck you back do
f all the ages already in your
hands, so roll um up.
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on 4/19/05 3:44 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> You think those pictures and video of people hopping is just expensive
> special effects? Sure used to see it a lot on TV. I remember when they
> broadcast the 1st yogic flying competition on the Washington news.
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I was there. I also remem
I guess the question would be, is there a defference between
personality and ego. How much does personality depend on identification
with the body or as the body? Is there an I-sense that can exist beyond the
body?Rick CarlstromWhen the I self sees itself as a huge totality and not as s
on 4/19/05 12:16 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> These texts are very explicit on how to
> attain CC. One thing they insist: use Patanjali as part of that path.
> You know the bizarre thing? They insist you skip the entire siddhis
> portion, ESPECIALLY the levitation siddhi! They also warn
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> On Apr 19, 2005, at 4:33 PM, lupidus108 wrote:
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> > But to those who experience the ever expanding
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> > neverending, pulsating body of bliss on a daily
> basis, as a result of
> > practices given by MMY, what good is a book ?
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> Well "
Hi Llundrub, glad to have you back! Very, very interesting name- seems
to fit you better, and I like it backwards as much as forwards!
Jim
> ---Try to not be your personality. Your personality is the entire
expanse and range of all relative exerience from hell to heaven, and
more besides. T
Vaj,This along with your prior
comments on darshana (view) as preceeding but not the same as experience is
clarifying. its interesting thatsome proclaim they are in BC and that
Brahman is an "understanding"not an experience. This sounds like a darshana.
What is yourtraditions' and teachers
On Apr 19, 2005, at 4:33 PM, lupidus108 wrote:
> But to those who experience the ever expanding universe as a
> neverending, pulsating body of bliss on a daily basis, as a result of
> practices given by MMY, what good is a book ?
Well "the practices given by MMY" came from a book--maybe they co
On Apr 19, 2005, at 4:07 PM, lupidus108 wrote:
> To what "tradition" do you refer ?
The Shankaracharya tradition.
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> Do you believe something must be correct just because that thinking has
> been the fashion for the last, say 500 years ?
No, it is has to be successful at waking people up.
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On Apr 19, 2005, at 3:48 PM, lupidus108 wrote:
> May I ask who/what "they" are to which you refer ?
Vidyaranya specifically, one of the Shankaracharyas, but also Patanjali
and others.
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> On Apr 19, 2005, at 3:20 PM, Rick wrote:
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> > Well, I didn't really mean which tradition, I guess I was just
asking
> > what is it that makes any tradition "gospel"?
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> That it has a continuous worth in actually enligh
To what "tradition" do you refer ?
Do you believe something must be correct just because that thinking has
been the fashion for the last, say 500 years ?
It seems you have lost MMY's main point: the siddhis are a only
sideeffects of the growth of consciousness and per ce not interesting.
Tha
One thing they insist: use Patanjali as part of that
> path.
> > You know the bizarre thing? They insist you skip the entire
> siddhis
> > portion, ESPECIALLY the levitation siddhi! They also warn on
> > channelling, other beings, etc. Otherwise it is said you will
> NEVER
> > obtain CC.
On Apr 19, 2005, at 3:20 PM, Rick wrote:
> Well, I didn't really mean which tradition, I guess I was just asking
> what is it that makes any tradition "gospel"?
That it has a continuous worth in actually enlightening people. That's
the only tradition that's worthwhile in this context. In that
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> On Apr 19, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Real wrote:
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> > What constitutes the "tradition".?
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> The Shankaracharya tradition was what I was referring to.
Well, I didn't really mean which tradition, I guess I was just asking
what
On Apr 19, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Real wrote:
> What constitutes the "tradition".?
The Shankaracharya tradition was what I was referring to.
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> On Apr 19, 2005, at 2:01 PM, Real wrote:
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> > My personal experience with the TMSiddhi program in total is that
> > nothing previous to this practice has so clearly cultivated the
> > growth of silence into my daily life.
All dharma
violators who cross concepts from one stateof awakening to another will be
brought out of theashram and forced to eat a steak (cooked perfectly
byRJ in a fine cognac sauce with sauted onions) and havesex with a
non-meditator at dawn.---Yes, just so, and quite reminds me of me no
On Apr 19, 2005, at 2:01 PM, Real wrote:
> My personal experience with the TMSiddhi program in total is that
> nothing previous to this practice has so clearly cultivated the
> growth of silence into my daily life. Having said that, I tend to
> think that the Siddhi practice especially the flyin
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> We were just discussing this on another list and one opinion I
have
> always held is that *IF* MMY really wanted to get people to Cosmic
> Consciousness and if he really claimed to be representing the
> Shankara
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> In this world of "awakened" individuals so many seem to think that
> with just a slight shift in perspective they have seen the trick of
> bound individual ego revealed and now they are free. Sometimes I
> suspect
Yes, and if you see the Buddha on the road, kill him, right?
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> On Apr 19, 2005, at 12:55 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
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> > This along with your prior comments on darshana (view) as
preceeding
> > but not the same as experience i
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and have sex with a non-meditator at dawn.
And please make it particularly awful -- smart, 25, blonde, and
athletic -- so that i might rid myself of this scurge tendency to
violate dharma, the eternal Laws of
On Apr 19, 2005, at 12:55 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
> This along with your prior comments on darshana (view) as preceeding
> but not the same as experience is clarifying. its interesting that
> some proclaim they are in BC and that Brahman is an "understanding"
> not an experience. This sounds like
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Akasha,
You are confusing me. My expression of Rick being 100,000% right was
an expression of enthusiasm. Any time I perceive someone moving to a
greater understanding I am so happy about it! That's just the way I
am. Perhaps there is a corresponding mathematical reality for it too-
I don't
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> The sense of "me-ness" or "i-ness" comes from ahamkara, the "i-maker".
> Ahamkara is shakti, the kundalini shakti herself. Whatever "masks" she
> wears are subtle and profound aspects of this same yogic ego. There is
> some
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> Its good when things are 1000 times more right than
> ordinary right.
> Then i am comforted that its re
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> You are 100,000% right in finding this!
Its good when things are 1000 times more right than ordinary right.
Then i am comforted that its really right.
But wait, what if I find something that is 10,000 time
In this
world of "awakened" individuals so many seem to think that with just a
slight shift in perspective they have seen the trick of bound individual ego
revealed and now they are free. Sometimes I suspect that this is really just
a first awakening that has more to do with understanding
Hi Rick,
Yeah, no kidding!
There are two clues about the kind of ego Maharishi is referring to
in the quote you shared below:
If you examine the sequence in which Maharishi speaks about the ego,
notice that it comes first, before vibration and prakriti. He also
speaks of it as the ego in its
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> > I think what I am wondering about is why is it so
> > important to get
> > rid of the "me"...
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> Because "you" don't exist. The "me" or ego (a
> separat
Thanks Bro
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> Hey, welcome back! This whole thing is really beautiful. I have
> missed you, RJ -- or do you prefer llundrub?
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> ---I much prefer Llundrub
Llundrub it is, then.
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Hey, welcome back! This whole thing is really beautiful. I have
missed you, RJ -- or do you prefer llundrub? ---I much prefer
Llundrub
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> I think what I am wondering about is why is it so
> important to get
> rid of the "me"...
Because "you" don't exist. The "me" or ego (a
separate, private, psychological sense of self) is a
delusion. Pure consciousness is identified or
projected
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> Hey guys, I'm back. It's RJ. Look I wanted to change that
handle for quite awhile. This new handle suits me much better, and I
would like to relate a strange experience. Mainly to you Vaj.
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> Yesterday, I deci
Nice post; comments interleaved below:
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> The sense of "me-ness" or "i-ness" comes from ahamkara, the "i-
maker".
> Ahamkara is shakti, the kundalini shakti herself. Whatever "masks"
she
> wears are subtle and profound aspect
In traditional methods samyama is not taught on the formulae of
pada three first. It's taught so as to quickly cultivate the "witness". If
this is not done first you end up very possibly enslaving yourself to
the subtle ego--all the while declaring your enlightenment from any
nearby footst
On Apr 19, 2005, at 12:51 AM, crukstrom wrote:
> I think what I am wondering about is why is it so important to get
> rid of the "me", when it seems that the very essence of creation is
> to make a me.
The sense of "me-ness" or "i-ness" comes from ahamkara, the "i-maker".
Ahamkara is shakti, t
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> Hi Rick,
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> I have read (heard) a lot of teachers say this. What I understand
> when I hear this is it is an attempt by the Enlightened to speak
> about their experience for the benefit of the ignorant. Like
Hi Rick,
I have read (heard) a lot of teachers say this. What I understand
when I hear this is it is an attempt by the Enlightened to speak
about their experience for the benefit of the ignorant. Like when
MMY speaks about the Knowledge being transmitted from one state of
consciousness to an
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> http://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/trad_neo/trad_neo.htm
Here is a snip from that article:
"The subtle part of the ego believes itself to be 'enlightened' but
the vasanas are still active, so the awakening is conceptual,
Beautiful! Very elegantly put! The Source reveals Itself once again!
All the Best,
Jim
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> I have no idea
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> I can do nothing but support in awe
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> the vastly simple, blind Immensity
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> of my not-knowing
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> Another one bites the dust?
I have no idea
I can do nothing but support in awe
the vastly simple, blind Immensity
of my not-knowing
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> Another one bites the dust?
Another one bites THAT.
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Another one bites the dust?
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> > Article critical of Ramesh Balsekar:
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> > http://www.inner-quest.org/Real_Advaita.htm
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> I'm not sure what to make of the ch
On Apr 18, 2005, at 11:56 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:
> Just to have "the understanding of
> freedom" without genuine freedom is a colossal illusion, and easily
> degenerates into the kind of narcissism, lack of empathy, and tendency
> to exploit other sentient beings that we have witnessed amon
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> Article critical of Ramesh Balsekar:
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> http://www.inner-quest.org/Real_Advaita.htm
I'm not sure what to make of the charges concerning balsekar, but I
highly recommend Timothy Conway's essay on advaita and ethics t
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