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> Nature supposedly knows best how to organize and it administers the
> cosmos without problems. Except suffering exists everywhere you
look..
> Nature seems wholly mechanical and amoral in its operations. And
yet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> So what caused the quake in England last year down near
> Folkestone? I bet if we were a Hindu country it would be
> blamed on the number of single mothers living on council
> estates there. Or maybe disappointmnet at He
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"
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> > So what caused the quake in England last year down near
> > Folkestone? I bet if we were a Hindu country it would be
> > blamed on the number of single mo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"
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> > > So what caused the quake in England last year down near
> > > Folkestone? I bet if we w
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning
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> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"
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> > > > So what
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> > Is it a completely mad and useless idea?
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> No! It's an absolutely brilliant idea.
More fundamental: Turing machine exercise.
>There are two
> things you could demonstrate. First is that the world
> appears
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"
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> > >
> > > Is it a completely mad and useless idea?
> >
> >
> > No! It's an absolutely brilliant idea.
>
> More fundamental: Turing machine exercise.
Fu
> > A jumping to 10-12th effects already!? Does that imply you are
> > reasonaably satisfied that the 1-9th order effects are valid? If
> not,
> > you seem dangerously close to strawman territory.
>
> As I say, they are the only effects I'm interested in. I can't
> see the point of proving that if
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> whether it's at all possible as an idea; Another point might be to
> check out whether, like fractal generation, there are any interesting
> surprises that unfold, whether "reap as you sow" actually works, at
> least fo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If it's a force we don't know about that brings good or
> bad things back to us then I call it supernatural. I can't
> think of a way that, often subjective, behaviour can bounce
> off something and bring us back good or bad
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" richardhughes103@ wrote:
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> Just as I prefer to believe that there is an ordered reality which we
> can get to know (my fairly reasonable metaphysical faith in Science I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M"
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" richardhughes103@ wrote:
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> > Just as I prefer to believe that there is an ordered reality which we
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" wrote:
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> > whether it's at all possible as an idea; Another point might be to
> > check out whether, like fractal generation, there are any interesting
> > surprises that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > A jumping to 10-12th effects already!? Does that imply you are
> > > reasonaably satisfied that the 1-9th order effects are valid? If
> > not,
> > > you seem dangerously close to strawman territory.
> >
> > As I say,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Finally it seems to me that you rightly have much fun at the expense
> of those who not only believe in karma but think they are privy to its
> workings too. But the two do not necessarily go together. I think in
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"
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> > If it's a force we don't know about that brings good or
> > bad things back to us then I call it supernatural. I can't
> > think of a way that, often subjec
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M" wrote:
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> > Finally it seems to me that you rightly have much fun at the expense
> > of those who not only believe in karma but think they are privy to its
>
Hey Richard,
You are just a few pints short of genius.
Deutche's model would include a universe (billions actually) where 12
order karma is very apparent and proven. So your research problem is
not to disprove collective karma al la 12th order, but only to prove
that this is ONE universe in w
new wrote:
> That a ball bounces back off a wall does not
> necessitate gods nor morality. Do this, get
> that result.
>
There's no doubt that the laws of 'karma' indicate
cause and effect. But, the question is, does 'karma'
operate on the level of moral reciprocity? If the
universe is material
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
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> new wrote:
> > That a ball bounces back off a wall does not
> > necessitate gods nor morality. Do this, get
> > that result.
> >
> There's no doubt that the laws of 'karma' indicate
> cause and effect. Bu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Hey Richard,
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> You are just a few pints short of genius.
Only a few? That's something, let me try and get a hlf-pint closer.
> Deutche's model would include a universe (billions actually) where
12
> order karm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
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> new wrote:
> > That a ball bounces back off a wall does not
> > necessitate gods nor morality. Do this, get
> > that result.
> >
> There's no doubt that the laws of 'karma' indicate
> cause and effect. Bu
> > In the real world we do see that cause and effect
> > operate according to the laws of 'karma', or due
> > to cause and effect, however, in the real world we
> > do not see 'karma' operating as moral reciprocity:
> > sometimes bad people do bad things and are rewarded
> > with good things.
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
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> > > In the real world we do see that cause and effect
> > > operate according to the laws of 'karma', or due
> > > to cause and effect, however, in the real world we
> > > do not see 'karma' operating as mor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
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> > new wrote:
> > > That a ball bounces back off a wall does not
> > > necessitate gods nor morality. Do this, get
> > > that result.
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
> > wrote:
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As if you knew you were spending karma points.
> We are fortunate to live in a society that recognizes human rights and
> justice as moving forms best designed by fluid governing bodies. The
> ancient concept of karma has no place in this world of secular ethics.
> People have a duty to be involved in the shaping of ethical standards
> and re
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
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> > new wrote:
> > > That a ball bounces back off a wall does not
> > > necessitate gods nor morality. Do this, get
> > > that result.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
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> > We are fortunate to live in a society that recognizes human rights and
> > justice as moving forms best designed by fluid governing bodies. The
> > ancient concept of karma has no place in this world of secul
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Karma translates directly
> as action. The concept is entirely empirical. Action can be observed.
> Newton codified causality when he said for every action there is an
> equal and opposite reaction. This is the law of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
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> > > new wrote:
> > > > That a ball bounces back off a wall doe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" wrote:
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> > Karma translates directly
> > as action. The concept is entirely empirical. Action can be
observed.
> > Newton codified causality when he said for ever
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" wrote:
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> > Karma translates directly
> > as action. The concept is entirely empirical. Action can be
> > observed. Newton codified causality when he said for every
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
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> > new wrote:
> > > That a ball bounces back off a wall does not
> > > necessitate gods nor morality. Do this, get
> > > that result.
> > >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" wrote:
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> > > Karma translates directly
> > > as action. The concept is entirely empirical. Action
Of course there is cause and effect, action and reaction.
But people want to see patterns in everything and are quick to assume
a cause. There might be no cause that you can identify. Or no one
simple cause.
And there is a dash of randomness. You are at the bridge when it
falls down. You d
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