Re: Removing the aliasing effect

2000-09-17 Thread photoscientia
to account. Fourier transformation would work on the image as a whole, and take in the big picture. (Quite frankly, I don't care if you pardon the pun or not.) Regards,    Photoscientia. The filmscanners mailing list is h

Re: drum scans -> 48bit?

2000-09-20 Thread photoscientia
they should be taken to task. 24 bit is barely useable for further manipulation to any degree. Regards. Photoscientia. The filmscanners mailing list is hosted by http://www.halftone.co.uk To resign, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTE

Re: determining scanner's native gamut

2000-09-20 Thread photoscientia
e RGB exposure separately, or can it?) Regards. Photoscientia. The filmscanners mailing list is hosted by http://www.halftone.co.uk To resign, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> with UNSUBSCRIBE FILMSCANNERS in the t

Re: what's the best method to scan B&W negs

2000-09-20 Thread photoscientia
D convertors can handle. Back to the stated subject of this thread: It wouldn't hurt to have a separate LUT to do the 8 bit conversion for B&W, then we could get a more even spacing of tones. Regards, Photoscientia.

Re: Real resolution of a 4000 dpi scanner?

2000-09-20 Thread photoscientia
would virtually eliminate aliasing. Sorry about the HTML 'quote', I don't seem to be able to erase it. Regards.    Photoscientia. The filmscanners mailing list is hosted by http://www.halftone.co.uk To resig

Re: OT: Some interesting info about Photoshop Scratch disks

2000-09-20 Thread photoscientia
How the heck it can run out of space, and come to a grinding halt doing a batch scan of only four 54meg files I don't know. (And I've got 256 meg of RAM that I've given it 80% use of) Photoshop seems to have the memory management of a goldfish suffering from Altzheimers. Re

Re: Group Scan site has posted SS4000 scans

2000-09-22 Thread photoscientia
etails are taken into consideration and controlled, there's very little objective conclusion that can be arrived at from this group scan test. Regards, Photoscientia. The filmscanners mailing list is hosted by http

Re: Appearance of grain in Vuescan - a user issue?

2000-09-24 Thread photoscientia
negative focus shift reduced the overall brightness slightly and gave a grey, grainy pall to the scan, compared to the standard autofocus setting. Even a large negative shift wasn't terribly effective at improving the image. BTW. Another vote for Konica's negative film from me. It

Re: Appearance of grain in Vuescan - a user issue?

2000-09-26 Thread photoscientia
sition, and this puts the object plane of focus beyond the film plane. So whichever direction of Vuescan focus setting does this on your scanner is the right one. Regards, Photoscientia. The filmscanne

Re: Conversion of 2700dpi to micrometers

2000-09-27 Thread photoscientia
just about sorts it out to my satisfaction. Perhaps someone with access to a better optical microscope or SEM can give us some more accurate measurements, over a wider range of film speeds. Regards,Photoscientia. The f

Re: Conversion of 2700dpi to micrometers

2000-09-27 Thread photoscientia
shtml#graininess Regards, Photoscientia. The filmscanners mailing list is hosted by http://www.halftone.co.uk To resign, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> with UNSUBSCRIBE FILMSCANNERS in the title, or UNSUBSCRIBE FILMSCAN

Re: Conversion of 2700dpi to micrometers

2000-09-27 Thread photoscientia
o a bitstream or WAV file? I could feed my piccys into Cooledit pro, and clean 'em up in a couple of minutes then, I'm sure. Regards, Photoscientia. The filmscanners mailing list is hosted by http://www.halft

Re: Vuescan/Old Kodachrome Unable to Focus

2000-09-30 Thread photoscientia
t better things to do though. Regards, Photoscientia. The filmscanners mailing list is hosted by http://www.halftone.co.uk To resign, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> with UNSUBSCRIBE FILMSCANNERS in the title, or UNSUBS

Re: Conversion of 2700dpi to micrometers

2000-09-30 Thread photoscientia
Roman Kielich® wrote: > I do not want to start a flame war, but I regard your post as very > impolite. Sorry Roman, I can now see what's happened. The complete absence of the word 'granularity' from the first paragraph of your explanation of RMS granularity does make it rather difficult to unde

Re: Conversion of 2700dpi to micrometers

2000-09-30 Thread photoscientia
= ~53 lppm or 1350 lpi But it's probably not worth trying to argue this out here. I agree. I've been told off before for boring people with facts and figures, instead of interesting stuff like which colour space is the widest (yawn). Regard

Re: Vuescan/Old Kodachrome Unable to Focus

2000-10-02 Thread photoscientia
fine-grained slide containing only low to medium frequencies this effect won't show up. That's all. Regards,    Photoscientia.   The filmscanners mailing list is hosted by http://www.halftone.co.uk To resign,

Re: 4000dpi (was film scanner mailing list)

2000-10-08 Thread photoscientia
I'm loathe to join in this handheld/tripod debate, for fear of dragging it out...but I can't help throwing in my two penn'orth. I became interested in wildlife photography a few years ago, and this inevitably involved the use of long lenses. After a disappointing and frustrating few months trying

Re: newbie question: what is scanner software needed for?

2000-10-09 Thread photoscientia
Hi Ed. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The scanner software also needs to either transform the color data > to a known color space or embed the color space of the scanner > into the tiff file holding the raw scan data. Do you know, or need to know, the peak response of the RGB filters used in the CC

Re:

2000-10-10 Thread photoscientia
  Sumtingwong wrote: Hey folks, I know that this is kind of off topic, but I just got a Epson 1270, and am wondering if the "fade" of the ink has been resolved. According to the latest reports, Epson are still playing cat and mouse with the problem; claiming that their inks and paper work as clai

Re: Negative film scanning - Polaroid SS4000+SilverFast vs. NikonLS-2000

2000-10-11 Thread photoscientia
> You seem to be overlooking the option of buying the LS-30 and saving > about 1/2 the price of the LS-2000. Are you aware it's basically the > same scanner and software? No it's not. The LS30 has only a 10 bit A/D converter chip, and is a generation behind the LS2000. Minolta have now pensio

Is it a GEM or a Rhinestone?

2000-10-11 Thread photoscientia
It looks as if somebody's been taking our moans about grain artefacts seriously after all. Does anybody have any experience of Applied Science Fiction's GEM technology. Does it really work, or is it just a glorified blur tool? ASF purport to show examples of it on their website, but: 1) The im

Re: Negative film scanning - Polaroid SS4000+SilverFast vs. NikonLS-2000

2000-10-12 Thread photoscientia
> I've gotten e-mail from someone who took their LS-30 apart, and > it has exactly the same 12-bit A/D converter chip that the LS-2000 > has. > > It's _exactly_ the same hardware as the LS-2000. The only > difference is the firmware, which only allows transferring 10-bits > of the 12-bit data f

Re: Film grain comparisons

2000-10-17 Thread photoscientia
Roger Smith wrote: > . So it does appear that it may be the crisp dye clouds of > negative film that cause scanners to show more "grain aliasing" with > negative film than they do with the more amorphous dye clouds of > slide film. Yep, that was what I saw as well. FWIW. The latest Fu

Re: Copyright on images

2000-10-17 Thread photoscientia
Geoff Stafford wrote: > I heard recently that the House of Lords in the UK has ruled > recently that images produced purely digitally are not covered by > copyright. Does anyone know anything about this? Sounds like another Urban Myth hits the streets! AFAIK the House of Lords cannot independe

Re: LS30 BIOS was Re: Negative film scanning - PolaroidSS4000+SilverFastvs. NikonLS-2000

2000-10-17 Thread photoscientia
  Roman Kielich® wrote: I must be the bravest here. I did flash my mobo (several times), Tekram SCSI card, a modem (back and forth - K56<->V90), a video card, and Panasonic 7502 CDR. Hi Roman. Did you ever get that damned Panasonic 7502 to write reliably at 4 speed? I tried mine with all of the f

Re:Matsushita 7502

2000-10-23 Thread photoscientia
> defrag, kill all that stuff running in the background, reboot, try to write > to HD first, try program that creates extra cache. D'you think I didn't try all that? All what stuff running in the background? I close down what I don't need, and my startup folder is totally empty. AIM is deleted as

Resolution revisited, or scanner resolves 2 microns!

2000-10-26 Thread photoscientia
I came across some old 2" lippmann plates round the back of the clean-room the other day. Knowing they'd fit in a 35mm slide carrier, I decided to see if they were still any good. They were. So I banged off a couple of contact copies of a chrome master that we've got. This chrome has resolution

Re: Resolution revisited, or scanner resolves 2 microns!

2000-10-27 Thread photoscientia
Hi Rob. > >This chrome has resolution bars down to 2 microns on it, the equivalent > >of 250 lppm! > > Any chance the same slide could be scanned on an LS30 and/or a SS400? I don't have access to either of those two models, but if anyone's interested, I'll lend them the mask. I've finished with

Re: LS30 and jaggies was RE:Hello

2000-10-27 Thread photoscientia
ILyons wrote: > if it was resonance Nikon could fix it with ease. Maybe, maybe not. Stepper motor resonance is very sensitive to the step timing and dwell, perhaps the timing on the Mac is a little bit different from that on the PC. I came across an article explaining how Polaroid had taken t

Re: filmscanners: Re: monitors

2000-11-04 Thread photoscientia
Re: >TONY HUGS !!! People think I am nuts, in my circle of >friends for not doing image editing on my laptop. >Thank you so much for putting it into print. >I am new to the list and my just like it here. Thanks again, I watched a rep from a big name company trying to dem

Re: filmscanners: Re: monitors

2000-11-04 Thread photoscientia
> The two horizontal lines on Trinitron monitors are intrinsic to the design > and as far as I know will always be there. Tubes that use an aperture grid, such as some of Mitsubishi's, are a better compromise between the severe tonal aperture errors with shadow-mask tubes, and the striped Trinitr

Re: filmscanners:

2000-11-06 Thread photoscientia
Arthur Entlich wrote: > . If a person finds his > computer looks reasonable with "most stuff", chances are if one > peripheral (scanner, digital camera, etc) is giving wildly different > results, my first approach would be to question the peripheral or the > software. I'd go along with tha

Re: filmscanners: RE: Resolution revisited, or scanner resolves 2 microns!

2000-11-07 Thread photoscientia
Hi Bob. Bob Armstrong wrote: > Short update on scanning Pete's slide on the LS-30: Pete has been in touch > and is going to post the slide to me when he gets a few spare minutes. I > should be able to scan it quite soon after it arrives. I'm not sure if Pete > want's the slide to perform its

Re: filmscanners:

2000-11-07 Thread photoscientia
Steady on Guy, you'll burst something. At least in the UK you can hold your head up in the neighbourhood even if you don't own the entire contents of the Black & Decker catalogue. Anyway, it's windy enough at the moment, without generating your own private little hurricane. It seems like half the

Re: filmscanners: Colors problem on a Scanwit

2000-11-07 Thread photoscientia
Gregory Golyshev wrote: > Not so long ago i bought a Scanwit to scan my film archive. And recently > had some color problem. I've uploaded a small webpage to illustrate a > problem. http://www.avallon.ru/~aspas/ Hi Gregory. The Miraphoto scan of the truck has a mild blue cast, which makes comp

Re: filmscanners: Selective LCD masks in colour printing

2000-11-08 Thread photoscientia
> Is this well-known technology? If it isn't simple contrast > reduction, and if it's identifying shadow areas accurately, > I'd like a simulation of this mask as a filter, added to > Vuescan and other scanning software, to avoid hours of > labour with selection tools, and selective histogram > ad

Re: filmscanners: Colors problem on a Scanwit

2000-11-08 Thread photoscientia
Hi again Gregory. Gregory Golyshev wrote: > Pardon me, black level in RGB??? Yes, black level. When scanning negatives, the scanner software 'chooses' a film density to allocate to 0,0,0 RGB (black). If this level is too high, then the scanned image will have large, featureless areas of solid b

Re: filmscanners: Prints using Acer ScanWit

2000-11-14 Thread photoscientia
Hi Geoff Geoff Stafford wrote: > I have an Acer ScanWit 2720S. > > Recently I took some 2700 dpi scans (2550x3720) on a CD into > Boots the Chemists and had prints made. Their system feeds the > image files straight into the mini-lab. > > The results from negs or slides are superb, That's great

Re: filmscanners: Chemical Film Resolution.

2000-11-15 Thread photoscientia
Hi Chris. > > At risk of starting World War 3, what is the resolution of Chemical > > Film? Was this an idle enquiry, or is it meant to imply some comparison with pixels and digital images? Since it's aimed at this list, and not on Photonet or Philip Greenspun's BB, I suspect you really want

Re: filmscanners: Profiling, Ilford XP2 and Vuescan.

2000-11-15 Thread photoscientia
Hi Jerry. > > However, when I recalibrated my screen using the 6 squares of the (I believe > > www.photoscientia.co.uk) photoscientia website instead of the 3 squares of > > the adobe gamma or basic wiziwyg profiling tool, I got better colors in > > general, even though t

Re: filmscanners: Chemical Film Resolution.

2000-11-16 Thread photoscientia
Roman Kielich® wrote: > if it is not visible, then it is not light. We call it radiation - > infrared, ultraviolet, gamma, etc. Only light is visible, by definition. Thanks for pointing out my redundant use of the word visible, Roman. Perhaps you ought to try to correct the thousands of others,

Re: filmscanners: Monitor Calibration And Others

2000-11-18 Thread photoscientia
Re: Monitor calibration. Can I just ask if anyone else on the list is actually using a monitor set to a true gamma of 1? That is to say, a monitor that you can measure as having a linear response using a photometer. To elaborate: if the system is completely linear, then a pixel level of 127 shou

Re: filmscanners: Monitor Calibration And Others

2000-11-21 Thread photoscientia
(re monitor gamma of 1) Tony Sleep wrote: > Ah, you've been Timo'd? > > Nope, and for all the reasons you state. Besides, I run other software on the same > machine, and being able to see it helps ;) Thanks for the response Tony, I'm glad it's not just my tired old peepers. Errr, who, or what,

Re: filmscanners: Nikon LS-30 & ICE

2000-11-22 Thread photoscientia
> However, ICE requires an Infra-red channel from > the scanner to work properly, and only the Nikon and Minolta Scan Elite > (AFAIK) scanners have it. Consequently they are the only scanners which can > use ICE. I don't think I'm letting any cats out of any bags by saying that Acer's soon-to-be

Re: filmscanners: New Acer (was: Nikon LS-30 & ICE)

2000-11-23 Thread photoscientia
> Curious. Despite Minolta's caveats on the use of ICE on Kodachromes, > ICE on the Elite works fine on all the Kodachrome 64s I've tried and > I've heard plenty of Nikon users who have had reasonable success as > well. Unless I just got lucky (which is possible), I wonder how the > ICE implemen

Re: : Re: filmscanners: Monitor Calibration And Others

2000-11-25 Thread photoscientia
Hi Ed. Ed Lusby wrote: > My question is, how do I know if adobe gamma is going to set the monitor > at 2.2, or if the 3dfx software will over-ride and set the gamma to > whatever you set it at? The monitor gamma seems much higher than the > voodoo card's default value of 1.00. Adobe Ga

Re: filmscanners: Profiling, Ilford XP2 and Vuescan.

2000-11-25 Thread photoscientia
> > --> I like to ask you color wizards to tell me if the generic setting scans > > of the ilford xp2 film show a distinctive color cast on your calibrated > > monitor or seem black and white enough. Most scanner software will render any monochromatic negative as fairly neutral black and white w

Re: filmscanners: Monitor Calibration And Others

2000-11-26 Thread photoscientia
Hi Mike. Mystic wrote: > For $200 or a bit less, check out > PhotoCal/Spyder package from ColorVision at http://www.colorcal.com/cgi-bin/shop.cgi >- > It's great! Does this spyder thingumajig plug into the joystick port by any chance? I'm just curious how they can make an accurate and sensiti

Re: filmscanners: SS 4000 Scan Pixel Color Noise?

2000-11-26 Thread photoscientia
Hi Rick. Rick Trankle wrote: > All the solid colors in the Q60 don't appear to be smooth in color. > For example the grey areas of the Q60 are not one shade of grey but > instead have pixels of varying colors leaning toward reds or blues or > tans. Is this normal? The grain of film effectively

Re: filmscanners: Monitor Calibration And Others

2000-11-27 Thread photoscientia
Hi Rob Rob Geraghty wrote: > > I'm just curious how they can make an accurate and sensitive enough > > photometer for that money. > > Define "accurate enough". Accurate enough for what and whom? Accurate enough as in; good enough for the job. Even a cheap monitor is capable of a 600 to 1 brigh

Re: filmscanners: SS 4000 Scan Pixel Color Noise?

2000-11-27 Thread photoscientia
Hi again Rob. Rob Geraghty wrote: > Rick Trankle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Where does one get a piece of ND filter? Does this refer to NEUTRAL > > DENSITY (ND) FILTER? Will a piece of lighting gel do? > > If you just want film without colour, wouldn't a silver based B&W film work? No, it

Re: filmscanners: SS 4000 Scan Pixel Color Noise?

2000-11-27 Thread photoscientia
Hi again Rick. Rick Trankle wrote: > Where does one get a piece of ND filter? Does this refer to NEUTRAL > DENSITY (ND) FILTER? Sorry about the shorthaND. Yes, a neutral density filter is what I meant. >Will a piece of lighting gel do? Lighting gel, sweetie wrapper, anything that hasn't got a

Re: filmscanners: Photoshop

2000-11-27 Thread photoscientia
Hi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a copy of Photoshop 5.0 which has never been opened/registered as I did not have a computer system that could operate the program.  I have now acquired a suitable system (Dell 4100, 866 MHz, 256 RAM, 40 GB HD) but P.S. is now up to version 6.0.  I have PS LE an

Re: filmscanners: What would you recommend?

2000-11-28 Thread photoscientia
Jim Yount wrote: > I'm waiting for Polaroid to produce their new 120 film scanner, and have > purchased a just-released Epson Perfection 1640 Photo for $395 to "tide me > over". ... However, scans of 120 film are very impressive, > considering the price. Thanks for that Jim. I was

Re: filmscanners: Monitor Calibration And Others

2000-11-28 Thread photoscientia
Hi again Rob. Rob Geraghty wrote: >"Long-pass edge filters"!!   - What?? I'd say that it's meant to read "low-pass".  Something probably got lost in the translation either between the technical team and the sales team, or between the sales team and the web designer. Ok. It seems that the optical

Re: filmscanners: Monitor Calibration And Others

2000-11-29 Thread photoscientia
Hi all, Can I steer this back to monitor calibration please? I've been experimenting further with dithered tones, and I'd like your collective opinion on these little 'greyscales' that I've come up with. They're very small little GIFs, so I've taken the liberty of attaching them. There's a grey

Re: filmscanners: Monitor Calibration And Others

2000-11-30 Thread photoscientia
Hi mark. Mark Ligtenberg wrote: > Maybe a better Monitor Gamma Calibrator: > > http://www.spurgeonstudio.com/NoFrame/moncal.htm > Mark L. Not really. There's only one reference point. The shadows might be miles out. Regards, Pete.

Re: filmscanners: Monitor Calibration And Others

2000-11-30 Thread photoscientia
Hi Berry. Berry Ives wrote: > I thought the gamma for my monitor was about 1.5 based on the test at: > http://www.zonezero.com/calibration/english.html > > Using your test, however, it appears to be about 1.8 - 2.0. > > My monitor is a NEC XV15. > > Don't know if that helps any. The zonezero ga

Re: filmscanners: RE: Film Scanners and what they see.

2000-12-07 Thread photoscientia
Rob Geraghty wrote: > When I was reading something someone else wrote on this topic I couldn't > help wondering about the kind of oversampling used in CD players to filter > the output. I wonder if similar technology could be used to smooth the > output from a scanner - maybe some scanners alrea

Re: filmscanners: RE: Film Scanners and what they see.

2000-12-10 Thread photoscientia
Rob Geraghty wrote: > >A researcher at Microsoft has shown, crudely, how oversampling can be > > used to reduce aliasing in digital HDTV without increasing the > > bandwidth to accomodate high sampling rates > > I'd be interested to know how this was done. Much the same as I described for scan

Re: filmscanners: yellow cast from Insight Dodge and Burn

2000-12-11 Thread photoscientia
Hi Frank. Frank Paris wrote: > Has anyone ever noticed that they get a yellow cast in white highlights when > they use the dodge and burn tool in the SS4000 PolaColor Insight software? That doesn't sound much worse than the awful grey pall that descends over areas of a Photoshop image when you

Re: filmscanners: RE: Film Scanners and what they see.

2000-12-11 Thread photoscientia
Hi Rob. Rob Geraghty wrote: > Oh. I didn't realise you were talking about a system that required a change > in the signal from the camera onward. C'mon Rob, you're windin' me up entcha? I'm sure you know that I meant the HDTV camera, and not our still cameras. > Are the CCD elements small eno

Re: filmscanners: Aliasing again, alas

2000-12-15 Thread photoscientia
Hi Bill. Bill Ross wrote: > Yes, though I wonder if charge inheritance is a > consideration as the CCD moves on the Y axis. I know this happens in the Acer Sacnwit, and can give a smeared appearance to small bright detail against near-black backgrounds. The appearance is as if t

Re: filmscanners: RE: Film Scanners and what they see.

2000-12-16 Thread photoscientia
Hi Tony. Tony Sleep wrote: > > The ScanWit 2740 is a special case, since it does an entire separate > > scan pass just to get the infrared channel. > > Interesting. Do they just flip an IR filter in front of the CCD and use the red >channel > output then? Nope. They've fixed up an IR LED array

Re: filmscanners: RE: Film Scanners and what they see.

2000-12-16 Thread photoscientia
Hi Ed et Al. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I assume Acer fixed the multi-pass registration problem of the ScanWit 2720, > since the > dust removal won't work right if the infrared and color passes aren't > perfectly aligned. The mechanism of the 2740 appears identical to the 2720. I think the pro

Re: filmscanners: infos on Nikon LS 2000 or Microtek 4000T

2000-12-16 Thread photoscientia
Hi. > scanning > Is there a good rule-of-thumb for the amount of RAM needed for scanning & > editing files at different resolution in Photoshop. This is probably "more > is better," but are some specific recommendations on this? I've found that anything less than 256 Mb slows down scan acquis

Re: filmscanners: Do any scanners have what I need?

2000-12-16 Thread photoscientia
Hi all. Clark Guy wrote: > One option that I haven't seen mentioned here is one of the less expensive > film scanners, the > PrimeFilm 1800U. I have seen these on Ebay for a couple of hundred USD. Everything I've heard about this scanner has been bad. While they're working, the results are abo

Re: filmscanners: Graphics card (simple Q) [was: infos on Nikon LS 2000 or Microtek 4000T ...

2000-12-16 Thread photoscientia
Hi Mikkel. Mikkel Høj wrote: > It takes some time to update my screen in PS6. (On a PC with enough RAM and a PIII >processsor.) > Is it my no name (2D, 8 MB shared) graphics card? Or? You should make sure that the video mode is set for 32 bit colour. The speed difference between 24 bit and 32

Re: filmscanners: Lenses in scanners

2001-01-08 Thread photoscientia
Hi Austin. Austin Franklin wrote: > > All CCD filmscanners use lenses to image the film onto the CCD. > > You mean the CCDs AREN'T 8.5" wide? > > Damn ;-) LOL. Mind you, Kodak's 14,400 pixel tri-linear sensor is 72 mm long, that's pretty darn big as these things go. I wonder if I could con the

Re: filmscanners: Acer ScanWit 2740S

2001-01-08 Thread photoscientia
Hi Marc. "Marc S. Fogel" wrote: > Hello, > Has anyone used the Acer ScanWit 2740S? Yes. How can I put this? If Acer do some work on the firmware and software, then it'll be adequate for the money. If they do some more work on the hardware, then it'll be good value. If, as I supect, they do noth

Re: filmscanners: Acer ScanWit 2740S

2001-01-09 Thread photoscientia
Hi Gunars. "Lucans, Gunars" wrote: > Are these problems only on the 2740s or does the 2720 suffer from the same > problems? The problems relate specifically to the operation and implementation of ICE on the 2740. Since the 2720 doesn't have ICE, the problems don't affect its operation. Regard

Re: filmscanners: Sprintscan 120 now on B+H web site ...

2001-01-09 Thread photoscientia
Hi. Frank Paris wrote: The 3.9 dynamic range sounds unbelievable. I wonder how they achieve that? And Ed Hamrick wrote: "3.9 just means 13 bits of dynamic range.  They're using a 14-bit A/D converter, which most vendors convert to a dynamic range of 4.2. I suspect Polaroid is just being conservat

Re: filmscanners: Fw: Color Profiles for Scanners

2001-01-10 Thread photoscientia
Hi. > > I have an Acer Scanwit and under the scanner properties > > in Win98se it lists an sRGB color profile as the only > > profile associated with the scanner. My colorspace for > > Photoshop is AdobeRGB. Snip > Your question would beg another ... "Is your scanner capable of a > lar

Re: So it's the bits? (Was: filmscanners: Sprintscan 120 now on B+H web site ...)

2001-01-10 Thread photoscientia
Hi Erik. Erik Kaffehr wrote: > ...Practical measurements on existing scanners seem to indicate that the > real > dynamic range (including CCD, elektronics, external light internal > refkections seem in the order of 2.5, that is 8-9 aperture stops. Acer claim a 3.2 D range for the Scanwit 27

Re: So it's the bits? (Was: filmscanners: Sprintscan 120 nowon B+H web site ...)

2001-01-10 Thread photoscientia
Hi Julian. Julian Robinson wrote: > Can someone help me here with some basic facts regarding this > dynamic/density range business? > ...snip... > What is to stop me representing this by 4 bits or instead by 40 > bits? The only thing that changes is the resolution. Oh no! Not this again. The

Re: So it's the bits? (Was: filmscanners: Sprintscan 120 now

2001-01-11 Thread photoscientia
Hi Tony, Austin. Tony Sleep wrote: > Austin Franklin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Devices are not really linear. There are a number of 'distortions'. One is > > offset, the second is linearity, and the third is gain. > > CCD's are AIUI inherently very linear. 'Offset' = CCD noise in this c

Re: filmscanners: Fw: Color Profiles for Scanners

2001-01-11 Thread photoscientia
Hi Rob, Shaf. > > I think you better examine the RGB pixel values before and after a > > profile-to-profile ... > > > > shAf :o) > > > I think... > Profile to profile changes the file(pixel values) but changing the "so > called colour space" or you working space should not. When it is saved it

Re: filmscanners: Re: So it's the bits?

2001-01-12 Thread photoscientia
Hi Rafe. rafeb wrote: > >The only reason I can see that a greater number of bits would help is that > >when you are at the extremities of the CCD's range, more bits should help > >resolve meaningful data from noise, or by reducing the size of the steps, > >reduce the loss of image information wh

Re: So it's the bits? (Was: filmscanners: Sprintscan 120 nowonB+H web

2001-01-12 Thread photoscientia
Hi Julian. > But linearity explains only one half of the issue - that is, that you can't > do BETTER for dynamic range than what is implied by the number of > bits. Linearity doesn't make the most useful point that number of bits has > NOTHING to do with the actual achieved density range perfor

Re: filmscanners: Fw: Color Profiles for Printers was scanners

2001-01-12 Thread photoscientia
Hi Shaf shAf wrote: > > The only time you need or can use Wide Gamut RGB is if you > > are going to output your digital files back to neg or > > transparency. > > ... > > Somewhat correct ... but you're ignoring archiving all the RGB data, > and the usefulness of highbit editting before

Re: filmscanners: Re: So it's the bits?

2001-01-14 Thread photoscientia
Hi Austin. Austin Franklin wrote: > > > If you do the math, you'll find that using a 14-bit > > > A/D on most CCD scanners is kind of silly; in such > > > cases, one LSB generally equates to about 10-50 > > > microvolts of signal. > > > How do you work out this figure? > > I make it more like 17

Re: filmscanners: Fw: Color Profiles for Printers was scanners

2001-01-14 Thread photoscientia
Shaf. shAf wrote: > .. you at least have to have a slide (or negative) with > "gamut problem" colors (e.g., dark saturated blues (cobalt blue), > bright saturated yellows). Film isn't very useful in this instance. If you look at Kodak's Q60 against the CIE specification for its colour patch

Re: filmscanners: orange mask

2001-01-14 Thread photoscientia
Hi Robert. "Robert E. Wright" wrote: > I've always thought the correct curves were dependant on the image content > and attempting to write general curves, even for each roll of film, would > not be successful. Colour negative film doesn't vary from second to second as most people seem to thin

Re: So it's the bits? (Was: filmscanners: Sprintscan 120nowonB+H web

2001-01-14 Thread photoscientia
Hi Julian. > It is this last point that is the bone of contention - manufacturers are > saying "ours is 14 bits so our density range is 4.2 wow isn't that a good > figure", and that is probably crap in the case of the consumer level > scanners we are talking about. It MAY be 4.2 but is most like

Re: filmscanners: Fw: Color Profiles for Printers was scanners

2001-01-14 Thread photoscientia
Hi Ezio, Rodney. Ezio wrote: > For RGB printers (and more for other color rendering technologies) this > limitation is not any more valid. > What I have understood , please correct me if I am wrong or saying no-sense, > is : > RGB printers 3, 5 , any number of inks ... can combine the colors in

Re: filmscanners: Fw: Color Profiles for Scanners

2001-01-19 Thread Photoscientia
Hi Shaf, Frank, Austin, Tony et al. Sorry about jumping into this discussion with late replies to earlier points, but my e-mail's been on the fritz. shAf wrote: > Frank writes ... > > > And on my monitor, it DOES produce a real color, > > because I can SEE it. > > ... > > How can you sa

Re: filmscanners: Printer dither and discontinuities

2001-01-23 Thread Photoscientia
Hi Tony. > I haven't a problem with the gamut, it's wider than most print processes, it's that > the Epson's seem incapable of subtlety in places. This becomes fairly obvious if > you try and print a graduated bar that runs through all hues. This seems to be the > case in sRGB or anything else.

Re: filmscanners: SS4000 and LS-2000 real value?

2001-01-23 Thread Photoscientia
Hi Mike. Mike Gaston wrote: > I said all that to say, the one feature that will absolutely make me upgrade > to a new Nikon is GEM. I never thought ICE was all that big a deal. I > spend a minute or two dust spotting a frame. That's just a fraction of the > time I spend fixing the ugly yellow

Re: filmscanners: Fw: Color Profiles for Scanners

2001-01-23 Thread Photoscientia
Hi Shaf, Tony. shAf wrote: > Tony writes ... > > > On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:28:59 + Photoscientia > > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > CIE L*a*b* is poorly suited to DTP applications in three main > areas: > > > > The main object

Re: filmscanners: Printer dither and discontinuities

2001-01-24 Thread Photoscientia
Hi Tony. > I haven't a problem with the gamut, it's wider than most print processes, it's that > the Epson's seem incapable of subtlety in places. This becomes fairly obvious if > you try and print a graduated bar that runs through all hues. This seems to be the > case in sRGB or anything else.

Re: filmscanners: Scratched Negs & Home C-41 processing

2001-01-25 Thread Photoscientia
Hi Hart. > ..Collimated light, such a from a point source and then run through an > enlarger condenser increases the contrast I'm pretty sure that the contrast isn't increased with colour materials, for the following reason: The contrast increase in B&W printing is due to the s

Re: filmscanners: Re: computers, scanners

2001-01-28 Thread Photoscientia
Hi Paul. patton paul wrote: > I'm a serious amateur photographer, and am considering purchasing a new > Macintosh computer for use in filmscanning and image processing, among > other things. I'm currently considering two machines, a Macintosh G3 > powerbook (400Mhz, 10Gb), which is currently on

Re: filmscanners: [OFF] problem with image brightness

2001-01-29 Thread Photoscientia
Hi Tomasz. >I have enclosed one picture that looks ok in Photoshop on my monitor. Your sample picture looks very slightly dark on my calibrated gamma 1.8 monitor, and that's too high a target gamma to aim for, for the web. Have you been suckered into setting up a gamma of 1 in Photoshop by any

Re: filmscanners: metamerism and Epson 2000P

2001-01-29 Thread Photoscientia
Hi. Thousands of objects and pigments are metameric under a Sodium D line. So what? It's a pity there's isn't the literary equivalent of a monchromatic illuminant, so that you can see that you're all basically saying the same thing in different ways. Metamerphorically. It seems we all know exact

Re: Pigmented inks was Re: filmscanners: SS4000 and LS-2000 real value?

2001-01-29 Thread Photoscientia
Hi Art. Arthur Entlich wrote: > Epson tries to walk a fine line on this matter. One the one hand, they > are absolutely within their rights to refuse service, or charge for > service for any printer returned during warranty which has head problems > which could be related to the ink used, and i