Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Richard Huggins wrote: You've DONE such multiple reductions?? Well, no. I did a score and set of parts (instruments, vocal soloists, choral and conductors scores) for Handel's Chandos Anthem X, and explored the situation at that time, learning how the sytem worked. Once I learned how the situ

Re: [Finale] Page set-up defaults

2003-09-19 Thread Michael Cook
The page format for parts setting is file-specific. Maybe for this piece you used a template you don't usually use? Try creating a new file (just a simple one staff default document) and look in the "Page Format for Parts". If the settings here look like what you're used to, use the "save libra

Re: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion

2003-09-19 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 1:02 AM 09/18/03, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: >Well, there are times when one wants syllables assigned to more than one note. >I sometimes use this when I do hymns which have a descant sung only to the last >stanza. In this case, I assign the topmost staff to the descant, the middle >staff to the

Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 6:23 PM 09/19/03, Richard Huggins wrote: >Lyrics on an 80% page with 100% systems would be 80% of 12 points (for >example), right? (In other words, the 100% system setting does not stop the >lyrics from being reduced by the page reduction. Or am I wrong?) Return the >page to 100% they go to ful

Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread Richard Huggins
You've DONE such multiple reductions?? (Not talking about the math on the lyrics, etc., talking just about the various reductions). If so, I'd be interested to know why you would do this. Thanks for helping me clarify who I am and where I live (in Texas, not in the state of Confusion)...(:>) --Ri

Re: [Finale] OT: 2-up printing solution

2003-09-19 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Craig Parmerlee wrote: But how does one go about printing 2-up with scanned images? It seems to me I need some kind of program that can send all the images as a single print job. My scanning software treats each scanned page (i.e. each 8-1/2x11 page) as a separate file. I don't see any way t

Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Richard Huggins wrote, asking: Those of you that use system reduction, did you compensate for [reduction in size of font] this and what size if so. When planning for the final layout of a work, I always determine separately from the staff / system / page sizes, what size I want the lyrics and ot

[Finale] Page set-up defaults

2003-09-19 Thread helgesen
I have just read my previous question. In case it's not clear, what I am after is to reset the normal extract parts default settings. Somehow the defaults have all been altered. Octavo paper, staff reduction to 60%, margins to .25. and more. I haven't been fiddling with defaults and things- I'm a

Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread Philip Aker
On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 16:36 US/Pacific, Brad Beyenhof wrote: ... and why would you want the title, composer, copyright, etc. to change size just because you want to resize the music? Because I expect that besides myself, several other Finalists have worked out things such that we can chang

[Finale] OT: 2-up printing solution

2003-09-19 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I just received my Ricoh AP2610 large format laser printer. My hat is off to whoever made the original recommendation. This printer is unbelievable. My trusty HP 6P finally died the week before my birthday. I knew that Providence intended for me to have this Ricoh. Other than the toner car

[Finale] midi in classic on a G5

2003-09-19 Thread Chuck Israels
Informational post: My talented Mac guru has succeeded in getting rudimentary midi input and output on my new G5 using 2003 in classic mode! He works so fast that I can give no helpful hints as to how this was accomplished (but I am using the midiman uno interface that Darcy recommended). I a

Re: [Finale] New MIDI interface

2003-09-19 Thread Tim Thompson
I would probably go with a new interface, because drivers will be available and updated for the newer USB interfaces. The biggest suppliers are MOTU and Midiman (M-Audio). Both have a variety to choose from, and keep drivers up to date pretty well. Tim On Friday, September 19, 2003, at 04:27

Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread Richard Huggins
> From: Brad Beyenhof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > If 12-point lyrics is your preference with 80% page reduction, they > will be in the same proportion to the staff at 75% system reduction. Same proportion, yes, but proportion wouldn't be the main concern; readibility would be. It seems to me that the l

Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread David H. Bailey
I understand that -- you were suggesting that he had to change all the page-attached text blocks manually to be the appropriate font size. I understand the math, but what happens if he then decides he wants the music larger? If he's using system reduction and he has manually reduced the page

Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Friday, September 19, 2003, at 04:23 PM, Richard Huggins wrote: Considering lyrics Lyrics on an 80% page with 100% systems would be 80% of 12 points (for example), right? (In other words, the 100% system setting does not stop the lyrics from being reduced by the page reduction. Or am I w

Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread Richard Huggins
Considering lyrics Lyrics on an 80% page with 100% systems would be 80% of 12 points (for example), right? (In other words, the 100% system setting does not stop the lyrics from being reduced by the page reduction. Or am I wrong?) Return the page to 100% they go to full 12 point but reduce the

[Finale] A mind of it's own!

2003-09-19 Thread helgesen
For some reason my "extract parts" has suddenly gone whacko! Normally I extract parts, have a minor tweaking session, print- all is well. Now the page size (in page layout menu) is given as Octavo, margins are miniscule, and page layout on screen seems to be hugely wide! Page Set-up on File menu is

Re: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-19 Thread Philip Aker
On Thursday, Sep 18, 2003, at 19:26 US/Pacific, Mark D. Lew wrote: It's not completely unheard of to want a hyphen in the middle of a syllable in standard music with normal fonts. I remember that happening for me in a French text once. There may be some specialty fonts around with various lines

Re: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-19 Thread Richard Huggins
I presume that what you know works is the latter of the two options you suggested below, because when this all started being discussed I tried the former and it does not work. For one thing, the thickness of the line is reduced proportionally. So if you get it short enough by using something like 4

Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread Brad Beyenhof
No, it won't... it's currently reduced by means of the page reduction. It'll go from (e.g.) 80% up to 100% when the page is enlarged, and then from 100% back down to 80% when the systems are reduced. - Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Friday, September 19, 2003, at 02:29 PM, Burt

RE: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread Burt Fenner
Yes, but all measure-attached text will have to be enlarged to make up for the system reduction. BF > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf > Of Brad Beyenhof > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:27 PM > To: Finale > Subject: Re: [Finale] Page reduc

RE: [Finale] Help with weird layout problem

2003-09-19 Thread Burt Fenner
I suppose you did Update Layout (ctrl-U). BF > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf > Of Lori Archer Sutherland > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 3:54 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Finale] Help with weird layout problem > > > I was workin

Re: [Finale] New MIDI interface

2003-09-19 Thread Darcy James Argue
On Friday, September 19, 2003, at 04:27 PM, Al Graves wrote: I am in the process of purchasing a new Mac Powerbook which will have System 10. I will also be upgrading to Finale 2004 when it is available. I have been using an older Powerbook (System 8.6) and a serial MIDI interface to connect t

Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread Robert Patterson Finale
I, for one, have never advocated changing old files. I'm talking only about going forwards. David H. Bailey wrote: > So tell me again how that is easier than doing page reduction where all > that stuff is done automatically? -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com

RE: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-19 Thread Andrew Stiller
You're right. I know I found this to be true in the past, but it clearly isn't now. In light of this, what I would recommend is changing the point size of the en-dash so it is the same length as the hyphen, or borrowing the en-dash from another font where it is shorter. I *know* this works!

RE: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-19 Thread Fiskum, Steve
Thanks for the clarification. I understand the difference between mono and proportionally spaced fonts but am curious where Andrew's comments"...majority of Mac fonts..." and "They are numerous!" came from? Are you talking about Apple factory installed fonts? I have never heard this statement a

Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread Brad Beyenhof
Well, this would not have to be done if he had started with system reduction. The only reason he has to change the sizes of the text is that he is converting his default file to system reduction. He had created his default file with font sizes larger than they should have been, because the pa

[Finale] New MIDI interface

2003-09-19 Thread Al Graves
I am in the process of purchasing a new Mac Powerbook which will have System 10. I will also be upgrading to Finale 2004 when it is available. I have been using an older Powerbook (System 8.6) and a serial MIDI interface to connect to my synthesizer. The new Powerbook will not have a serial port. W

[Finale] Help with weird layout problem

2003-09-19 Thread Lori Archer Sutherland
I was working on a score last night in Fin2K3 (Windows) and ran into a problem. The score is normally 16 pages on legal size paper. But something happened (no clue as to what) to cause the music to "expand" and push it way past 16 pages. Not only that, but the music on pg. 17+ is *huge*. It

Re: [Finale] OT: Newer Mac to serial port printer

2003-09-19 Thread Klaus Bjerre
Thank you all, who have posted on-list and privately to help me out with my problem. It also has been inspiring to read the postings, who have touched aspects, to which I yet have to get a first hand relation. Finding and ordering the AsanteTalk box was surprisingly easy. Googling Asante together

Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread David H. Bailey
So tell me again how that is easier than doing page reduction where all that stuff is done automatically? Richard Huggins wrote: Not to state the obvious (but going ahead and doing so, in case it benefits someone else), if I go to system reduction I'll have to reduce the font size of the page t

Re: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-19 Thread Tim Thompson
With monospaced fonts, there aren't true en-dashes and em-dashes, and option-hyphen makes a hyphen, while shift-option-hyphen makes a double-length hyphen. In proportionally-spaced fonts however, then option-hyphen is indeed mapped to a true en-dash, while shift-option-hyphen is mapped to a tr

Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Friday, September 19, 2003, at 08:05 AM, Richard Huggins wrote: Not to state the obvious (but going ahead and doing so, in case it benefits someone else), if I go to system reduction I'll have to reduce the font size of the page text blocks by an equal percentage of the page reduction percen

RE: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-19 Thread Fiskum, Steve
This is news to me. Actually I have talked with several typesetters that are baffled by your statement. So could you please give us an example of one of the numerous fonts (preferably Adobe fonts)? My en-dashes are then length of an "n" as it should be and are not "identical in appearance to th

Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread Richard Huggins
Not to state the obvious (but going ahead and doing so, in case it benefits someone else), if I go to system reduction I'll have to reduce the font size of the page text blocks by an equal percentage of the page reduction percentage I used to use, if I want the newly-printed music to look similar t

Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread Jari Williamsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > You're right ... it was just that for some reason I was reducing the page to > 76%, and I thought I'd stick to that number. However, you make sense, and I'm > switching over to 75%. Also, if you keep the system reduction to 75% (and assuming that you keep the staff

Re: [Finale] Re: lyrics discussion [LONG] (was Re: BUG fix / FIN 2k5 Feature Request)

2003-09-19 Thread Andrew Stiller
I still say that, given the fact that it's well-established that Mac lacks a second hyphen character, and MM sells a Mac version of Finale, it's MM's responsibility to deal with that and find some other way to make a non-breaking hyphen is available for lyrics in Finale. You can't just say, "well,

Re: [Finale] Re: Meet The Composer site

2003-09-19 Thread Andrew Stiller
Christopher wrote: What a coincidence that this subject came up. I was just called a couple of days ago by John Rousseau (I am guessing at the spelling of his last name) of the Contemporary Music Society (or the Contemporary Record Society, I thought I heard it both ways in the course of the

Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread Oboe1000
Thank you ... and I always appreciate the guidance and knowledge that the people on this list unselfishly offer. - Ken ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread Oboe1000
I'm curious why you'd pick 76% instead of 75%. They're so close that one will hardly notice the difference for looking at it, but 75% makes all the math much more tidy. You're right ... it was just that for some reason I was reducing the page to 76%, and I thought I'd stick to that number. However

Re: [Finale] Re: Meet The Composer site

2003-09-19 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 7:50 AM -0400 9/19/03, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Vanity makes up the majority of the new nonpop recording market (as well as many books). You can even look at it this way: if it's not, from the start, *intended* to make back 100% of its investment plus a profit, then it's either a loss leader

Re: [Finale] Re: Meet The Composer site

2003-09-19 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 06:36 AM 9/19/03 -0400, David H. Bailey wrote: >University hiring committees are not stupid (no matter how that might >appear from some hiring/firing decisions) and they know what vanity >recordings are. What recordings in the new nonpop world are *not* vanity recordings at some significant l

Re: [Finale] Re: Meet The Composer site

2003-09-19 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 11:09 PM 9/18/03 -0400, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: >So is there any advantage for a self-promoter like me to go with >these guys? See my post to David Bailey. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinf

Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)

2003-09-19 Thread David H. Bailey
Page numbers stay where put if you use the placement attribute to place them at 'top of page' or 'bottom of page' without having them offset from anything. I'm beginning to switch over to system reduction from page reduction, but old habits die hard. Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 18.09.2003 16

Re: [Finale] Re: Meet The Composer site

2003-09-19 Thread David H. Bailey
Christopher BJ Smith wrote: [snip] So is there any advantage for a self-promoter like me to go with these guys? The only reason I can think of is perhaps a real label carrying my music looks better to the schools I might be asking for employment. Or maybe university hiring committees know wha

Re: [Finale] Re: Meet The Composer site

2003-09-19 Thread David H. Bailey
Sounds like a cash grab to me! Once he said YOU would need a grant, that should be enough to say, Thanks but no thanks. As you said, if you could get a grant you wouldn't need that other group, except possibly for distribution. I've never heard of them, nor have I seen their recordings at my