Re: [Finale] Accidentals after transposition

2004-03-06 Thread Mark D Lew
On Mar 6, 2004, at 1:51 PM, John Howell wrote: I assume that was a typo, Crystal. A minor 3rd down from Eb would be C. But choosing between C# and Db I would take Db every time. Not me. Not every time. I would tend to prefer Db, but you've got to consider the specifics of the song. Suppose it

Re: [Finale] Accidentals after transposition

2004-03-06 Thread Crystal Premo
But choosing between C# and Db I would take Db every time. (Trivia: What key did Andrew Lloyd Webber write most of his most important songs in? Db.) << I chose Db as well, but for what this client wants to pay, he will have to take it in C# or pay more to have me take out all the double accide

Re: [Finale] Accidentals after transposition

2004-03-06 Thread John Howell
At 9:37 PM -0500 3/5/04, Crystal Premo wrote: The piece I'm talking about specifically today is "More" from Dick Tracy. This is a piece with no guitar chords. It started out in Eb, and taking it down a minor third (which is what women usually want) by putting it in C# left only one double shar

Re: [Finale] Accidentals after transposition

2004-03-06 Thread Crystal Premo
For example, in C major, if you have an E with a natural in parens, when you transpose to D major you get an F with the sharp in parens<< Thanks to both you and Johannes for this enlightenment! Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Creat

Re: [Finale] Accidentals after transposition

2004-03-06 Thread Crystal Premo
Why do you place them as articulations? Speedy "P" does this.<< For no other reason than because this is the first time it occurred to me. I will henceforth avail myself of the Speedy "P" method. Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Ge

Re: [Finale] Accidentals after transposition

2004-03-06 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 09:09 AM 3/6/2004, Crystal Premo wrote: Ummmlast time I checked, Eb down a minor third makes C, not C#.<< > >You're absolutely right. It wasn't down a minor third which was requested, >but down a whole step. Okay, then Db would make for a better key signature than C#, wouldn't it? >Her

Re: [Finale] Accidentals after transposition

2004-03-06 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 06.03.2004 15:09 Uhr, Crystal Premo wrote > Here's another thing about transpositions: if the piece contains > accidentals in parentheses and one places them as articulations, those > articulations stay there in the new key whether they are wanted or not. Why do you place them as articulation

Re: [Finale] Accidentals after transposition

2004-03-06 Thread Crystal Premo
Ummmlast time I checked, Eb down a minor third makes C, not C#.<< You're absolutely right. It wasn't down a minor third which was requested, but down a whole step. Here's another thing about transpositions: if the piece contains accidentals in parentheses and one places them as articulatio

Re: [Finale] Accidentals after transposition

2004-03-05 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 09:37 PM 3/5/2004, Crystal Premo wrote: >The piece I'm talking about specifically today is "More" from Dick Tracy. >This is a piece with no guitar chords. It started out in Eb, and taking it >down a minor third (which is what women usually want) by putting it in C# >left only one double sharp,

Re: [Finale] Accidentals after transposition

2004-03-05 Thread Crystal Premo
First of all, you should be able to avoid most of that my simply choosing the right transposition interval. For example, if a piece is in Ab and the singer says she wants it taken down a major 3rd, you really want to make that a diminished 4th. If the piece has a modulated section, you may need

Re: [Finale] Accidentals after transposition

2004-03-05 Thread Mark D Lew
On Mar 5, 2004, at 2:51 PM, Crystal Premo wrote: I do a lot of transpositions of Broadway and pop tunes for people to use at auditions, and I have a question about what happens with accidentals. Sometimes the new key is rife with double flats and double sharps. Is it acceptable to simplify th

[Finale] Accidentals after transposition

2004-03-05 Thread Crystal Premo
I do a lot of transpositions of Broadway and pop tunes for people to use at auditions, and I have a question about what happens with accidentals. Sometimes the new key is rife with double flats and double sharps. Is it acceptable to simplify those accidentals. If so, is there a way to have F

Re: [Finale] Accidentals Q

2004-01-28 Thread Michael Edwards
[Richard Huggins:] >Due to the use of 8va in the earlier case but not in the >latter, the second occurance would be played at a different point on the >keys. Because of this, is there any precedent for repeating the accidentals >on the second occurance? I've seen it both ways, but repeating

Re: [Finale] Accidentals Q

2004-01-28 Thread Owain Sutton
I can't think of a specific example, but I'm almost certain I've seen a repeated accidental after a shift to/from 8va. Probably where the second occurence was an upbeat to a new phrase. IMO, not to give a new accidental when the visual position of the note has changed would be a confusing app

Re: [Finale] Accidentals Q

2004-01-28 Thread David H. Bailey
I would advise leaving the second accidental, since it is in a different octave to remove any doubt. Richard Huggins wrote: I'm doing a piano score. I have a situation where the displayed notation on beat 4 is identical to beat 1 in the same measure, notes which have accidentals. Due to the use

[Finale] Accidentals Q

2004-01-28 Thread Richard Huggins
I'm doing a piano score. I have a situation where the displayed notation on beat 4 is identical to beat 1 in the same measure, notes which have accidentals. Due to the use of 8va in the earlier case but not in the latter, the second occurance would be played at a different point on the keys. Becau

Re: [Finale] Accidentals

2003-10-24 Thread Harold Owen
Dennis Collins writes: Is there any way, with speedy entry, to have all the accidentals I enter appear, and only those? For example, if I enter an F sharp, I don't want an F natural afterwards. And if I enter a second F sharp in the same measure, I want to see it also. I know how to force it t

Re: [Finale] Accidentals

2003-10-24 Thread Thomas Schaller
d. collins wrote: > Is there any way, with speedy entry, to have all the accidentals I enter > appear, and only those? For example, if I enter an F sharp, I don't want an > F natural afterwards. Don't understand what you want here - just play another F sharp. > And if I enter a second F sharp in

Re: [Finale] Accidentals and Key Changes

2003-05-28 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
In a message dated 28/05/2003 05:47:37 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: in matters where an old practice and a new one are equally clear, I often prefer the older or more traditional method. I'm sorry, I don't find the two methods equally clear. I find the new method of not naturaliz

RE: [Finale] Accidentals and Key Changes

2003-05-27 Thread Michael Edwards
[Giz Bowe:] >>Hi, Jim -- do I understand you correctly: that you would "naturalize" the >>outgoing key signature in addition to the new key signature? That is, going >>from Bb to G you'd naturalize the Bb & Eb and put F#? [Mark D. Lew:] >Jim can speak for himself, but yes, what you describe is t

RE: [Finale] Accidentals and Key Changes

2003-05-27 Thread James O'Briant
Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > Huh? Finale doesn't automatically put > in courtesy accidentals at all, with > or without parentheses, unless you > invoke the Cautionary Accidentals > plugin, ... > > Or are you referring to something else? I do my note entry in standard entry. When I see the

RE: [Finale] Accidentals and Key Changes

2003-05-27 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 4:43 PM -0700 5/27/03, James O'Briant wrote: Giz Bowe wrote, in part: I do like courtesy accidentals for notes, and I like to see them in parens. What's your "house style" here? I prefer them in parentheses as well, but since Finale doesn't automatically put them in parentheses, that's OK w

RE: [Finale] Accidentals and Key Changes

2003-05-27 Thread James O'Briant
Giz Bowe wrote, in part: > do I understand you correctly: that you > would "naturalize" the outgoing key signature > in addition to the new key signature? That is, > going from Bb to G you'd naturalize the Bb & > Eb and put F#? Yes. > Some of the other posts here suggest that > using courte

RE: [Finale] Accidentals and Key Changes

2003-05-27 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 3:56 PM 05/27/03, Giz Bowe wrote: >Hi, Jim -- do I understand you correctly: that you would "naturalize" the >outgoing key signature in addition to the new key signature? That is, going >from Bb to G you'd naturalize the Bb & Eb and put F#? Jim can speak for himself, but yes, what you describe

RE: [Finale] Accidentals and Key Changes

2003-05-27 Thread Giz Bowe
Hi, Jim -- do I understand you correctly: that you would "naturalize" the outgoing key signature in addition to the new key signature? That is, going from Bb to G you'd naturalize the Bb & Eb and put F#? I'm not trying to be argumentative -- just trying to get a professional opinion on common p

RE: [Finale] Accidentals and Key Changes

2003-05-27 Thread James O'Briant
Somehow, I just can't understand all this desire to do everything differently, just for the sake of making a change or developing an individual engraving style! If music is tonal, it needs a key signature. Printing it with no key signature, and with accidentals, only provides an obstacle to goo

Re: [Finale] Accidentals placement

2002-10-26 Thread Burt Fenner
nt: Friday, October 25, 2002 10:06 PM Subject: [Finale] Accidentals placement > I was going to gently chide an editor for the inconsistent placement of > accidentals in an edition of his that I assumed was done with Sibelius, then > decided to double check the example in Finale. Oops! I

Re: [Finale] Accidentals placement

2002-10-26 Thread Richard Yates
: Or did you find them in different measures and decide to : put them into one measure for the example? Yes, just for the example. : : Richard Yates wrote: : > I was going to gently chide an editor for the inconsistent placement of : > accidentals in an edition of his that I assumed was done with

Re: [Finale] Accidentals placement

2002-10-26 Thread David H. Bailey
Interesting! I just tried it, thinking that the accidental placement might have to do with layers. I got the same inconsistent placement of accidentals I am using FinWin2003. I am right that it has to do with layers -- if you add the second middle C# to the chord in layer 1 the accidentals li

[Finale] Accidentals placement

2002-10-25 Thread Richard Yates
I was going to gently chide an editor for the inconsistent placement of accidentals in an edition of his that I assumed was done with Sibelius, then decided to double check the example in Finale. Oops! It came out just like his! Please look at the small gif at: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/Acci

Re: [Finale] accidentals in 2 layers

2002-09-17 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 10:58 AM +0200 9/17/02, Pierre Bailleul wrote: >Hi all, > >Do you know the way to align automaticaly and correctly accidentals on 2 >notes (like a chord) in 2 different layers ? > >Thanks > >Pierre. No way to do it automatically, as far as I know. The Special Tool is the only solution. Sor

[Finale] accidentals in 2 layers

2002-09-17 Thread Pierre Bailleul
Hi all, Do you know the way to align automaticaly and correctly accidentals on 2 notes (like a chord) in 2 different layers ? Thanks Pierre. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Accidentals through measure.

2002-05-11 Thread Jari Williamsson
helgesen writes: > Someone answered this a couple of weeks ago- I either misread or > misunderstood- sorry! > Long measure (12/8) all quavers, all to be raised to #. Please remember I'm > a simple entry retard! > How do I avoid having to click EACH note. I thought I remembered > 'shift-click' fir

Re: [Finale] Accidentals through measure.

2002-05-11 Thread Linda Worsley
At 12:42 AM -0400 5/11/02, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: >At 11:33 AM +1000 5/11/02, helgesen wrote: >>Someone answered this a couple of weeks ago- I either misread or >>misunderstood- sorry! >>Long measure (12/8) all quavers, all to be raised to #. Please remember I'm >>a simple entry retard! >>How

Re: [Finale] Accidentals through measure.

2002-05-10 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 11:33 AM +1000 5/11/02, helgesen wrote: >Someone answered this a couple of weeks ago- I either misread or >misunderstood- sorry! >Long measure (12/8) all quavers, all to be raised to #. Please remember I'm >a simple entry retard! >How do I avoid having to click EACH note. I thought I remembered

Re: [Finale] Accidentals through measure.

2002-05-10 Thread Harold Owen
>Someone answered this a couple of weeks ago- I either misread or >misunderstood- sorry! >Long measure (12/8) all quavers, all to be raised to #. Please remember I'm >a simple entry retard! >How do I avoid having to click EACH note. I thought I remembered >'shift-click' first one= all done! >Obvio

[Finale] Accidentals through measure.

2002-05-10 Thread helgesen
Someone answered this a couple of weeks ago- I either misread or misunderstood- sorry! Long measure (12/8) all quavers, all to be raised to #. Please remember I'm a simple entry retard! How do I avoid having to click EACH note. I thought I remembered 'shift-click' first one= all done! Obviously th