Re: [Finale] RAM, vm, and FinMac

2005-01-30 Thread laloba2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / 05.1.30 / 00:11 AM wrote: Remember that VSize is the amount of address space that has been allocated to a process. It is not the amount of Virtual Memory that the process is actually using. You now have more memory in your machine...so it really isn't strange that you have mor

Re: [Finale] RAM, vm, and FinMac

2005-01-30 Thread A-NO-NE Music
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / 05.1.30 / 00:11 AM wrote: >Remember that VSize is the amount of address space that has been >allocated to a process. It is not the amount of Virtual Memory that >the process is actually using. You now have more memory in your >machine...so it really isn't strange that you

Re: [Finale] RAM, vm, and FinMac

2005-01-30 Thread laloba2
Hi Hiro, Remember that VSize is the amount of address space that has been allocated to a process. It is not the amount of Virtual Memory that the process is actually using. You now have more memory in your machine...so it really isn't strange that you have more address space being allocated.

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 12:46 PM 1/30/05 -0800, you wrote: >Nearly every single concert of the MSO included >world premieres of brand-new, never-before-heard-anywhere >music. Now yer talking! Great description of the process of using new pieces as a natural part of programming. >Contemporary music which I find to

Re: [Finale] duration question

2005-01-30 Thread Richard Yates
Your original has only partially filled measures in some layers. Go back and make sure that each layer completely fills each measure (you can hide these rests as needed). Richard Yates > I am working on a setting of The Harmonious Blacksmith. I would like to > simplify the arrangement by turning

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff - Live music

2005-01-30 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 09:37 PM 1/30/05 -0500, Raymond Horton wrote: >musicians are fighting an INFERIOR >product Can you quantify its inferiority? And how will your quantification stand up in another few years? I think that if inferiority is your argument, it won't be long before you'll be losing it (if not alread

[Finale] duration question

2005-01-30 Thread Lawrence David Eden
Listers, I am working on a setting of The Harmonious Blacksmith. I would like to simplify the arrangement by turning 16th notes into 8th notes, 32nds into 16ths and so on. Here is how I am trying to do this: FinMac 2k3b Mass Mover/Mass Edit: select all, go to options and select "CHANGE DURATI

[Finale] RAM, vm, and FinMac

2005-01-30 Thread A-NO-NE Music
I just bought G5 Dual-2.5, which comes with only 512MB. I bought 1GB to make it 1.5GB (still not enough, but I am running out of my budget!). Just for my curiosity, I compared FinMac's vm amount before/after adding 1GB. The result was very interesting.

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff - Live music

2005-01-30 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 09:37 PM 01/30/2005, Raymond Horton wrote: >There is another, major, difference between musicians fighting for their >jobs, and the ice-deliverers vs. refrigerators comparison. In the >latter case, the new refrigerator was a SUPERIOR product, and the for >the ice deliverers to fight progress wo

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff - Live music

2005-01-30 Thread Raymond Horton
There is another, major, difference between musicians fighting for their jobs, and the ice-deliverers vs. refrigerators comparison. In the latter case, the new refrigerator was a SUPERIOR product, and the for the ice deliverers to fight progress would have been futile. In the case of live mus

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 08:58 PM 01/30/2005, Darcy James Argue wrote: >Well, what you are effectively saying here is that you support the >workers' right to fight to preserve their jobs -- provided they doesn't >actually succeed. Hmm. Not quite. What I think I said in one of my earlier posts is that I don't think the

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jan 2005, at 5:47 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: Darcy, I think there's a difference between your right to *fight* for a job and your right to *have* that job. I agree that workers have the right to fight for their jobs, and *should* do so, and that there's nothing artificial about that fight. I

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread David W. Fenton
On 30 Jan 2005 at 17:47, Aaron Sherber wrote: > At 04:54 PM 01/30/2005, Darcy James Argue wrote: > >It's no more "artificial" for workers to fight for their jobs than > it >is for corporations to try to eliminate jobs. For crissakes, the > >entire free market system is an "artificial" human co

Re: [Finale] Performance/recording

2005-01-30 Thread Raymond Horton
Just adding fuel to the fire: from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, as quoted on Orchestra-L: RBH - Musical hits sour note with unions By Marylynne Pitz Pittsburgh Post-Gazette January 30, 2005 In the musical "Oliver!," pickpockets on the streets of Dickensian Engl

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 10:53 PM 1/30/05 +, you wrote: >I guess I'm one of those (can't I be a necrophilharmonic? at least that >all comes from Greek) when I listen to Messiaen or Berio. Hey, mixing it up is good! Television does. :) But you can be necroharmonic if you like... and sure, we're past the age of Mess

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Carl Dershem
Ken Moore wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dennis Bathory-Kitsz writes: I think the nonpop world has made a big mistake -- practically and psychologically -- in dedicating itself to museum culture. (The term I use for DWEM lovers is "necrosones".) I guess I'm one of those (can't I be a necro

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 05:58 PM 01/30/2005, Christopher Smith wrote: >I'm not clear on a point of semantics ­ what is the difference in your >mind between "restricting" and "limiting" refrigerator manufacture? >Because I don't see a difference. There is no difference; I should have used the same word twice. The ice u

[Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Ken Moore
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dennis Bathory-Kitsz writes: >I think the nonpop world has made a big mistake -- practically and >psychologically -- in dedicating itself to museum culture. (The term I use >for DWEM lovers is "necrosones".) I guess I'm one of those (can't I be a necrophilharmonic?

Re: [Finale] up grade advice

2005-01-30 Thread Randolph Peters
I recently learned that when you are talking about a flat screen monitor (as opposed to CRT) they sometimes measure the size by the horizontal and not the diagonal. So much for standards. -Randolph Peters At 12:14 PM -0800 1/30/05, Chuck Israels wrote: Yes, Always - (to make the number as large

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Owain Sutton
Lon Price wrote: The problem starts at the college level. Performance majors are so busy learning the established literature that they have no time to devote to a new student work, or at least that was my experience when I studied composition at USC. If the composition was technically diffic

Re: [Finale] Default file updates for Fin05

2005-01-30 Thread Chuck Israels
Yes, Robert, That's what Darcy is saying. This behavior started in 2004 (I think), and it does seem inconvenient to me, but I am used to it. Whatever your page set up is in the default file becomes the default page set up for all documents, requiring changes to everything that does not conform.

Re: [Finale] Default file updates for Fin05

2005-01-30 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jan 30, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Robert, I have had issues with importing older Finale files for use as a default file in Fin2005. Files that have their genesis in earlier versions seem considerably more susceptible to the file-overwrite bug. Not to mention general corrup

Re: [Finale] Default file updates for Fin05

2005-01-30 Thread Robert Patterson
Are you saying the rules have changed? In OS9, extracted parts had the same page setup as the file from which they were extracted. The new behavior you describe sounds silly by comparison. Darcy James Argue wrote: Also, you should make sure the Page Setup settings of your Maestro Default File m

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jan 30, 2005, at 5:47 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: Darcy, I think there's a difference between your right to *fight* for a job and your right to *have* that job. I agree that workers have the right to fight for their jobs, and *should* do so, and that there's nothing artificial about that fight.

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 04:54 PM 01/30/2005, Darcy James Argue wrote: >It's no more "artificial" for workers to fight for their jobs than it >is for corporations to try to eliminate jobs. For crissakes, the >entire free market system is an "artificial" human construct. > >Again, it doesn't matter if you're a musician,

Re: [Finale] LONG - SORRY - Performance/recording

2005-01-30 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jan 30, 2005, at 4:47 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: And if someone can pry me away from my font key, even better.   Best,   Les Heh, heh! I was going to say something, but as long as you mentioned it... 8-) Christopher ___ Finale mailing

Re: [off list] Re: [Finale] LONG - SORRY - Performance/recording

2005-01-30 Thread Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
It wasn't stupid, Dennis and I apologize for posting ANYthing on list   And if it's not clear -- coming from me that's a bit of whimsy...   Best,   Les   Les MarsdenFounding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony OrchestraMusic and Mariposa?  Ah, Paradise!!!   http://art

Re: [Finale] Default file updates for Fin05

2005-01-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Robert, I have had issues with importing older Finale files for use as a default file in Fin2005. Files that have their genesis in earlier versions seem considerably more susceptible to the file-overwrite bug. So I'd recommend building a new default file from scratch, based on the provided

Re: [off list] Re: [Finale] LONG - SORRY - Performance/recording

2005-01-30 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
That was stupid. Apologies for posting the thing on list! Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

[Finale] Default file updates for Fin05

2005-01-30 Thread Robert Patterson
I'm upgrading my default file from Fin03 to Fin05. I know I should redesign my expressions and possibly my default tuplets. Are there any other new setting I should be thinking about? Engraver slurs? Others? -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com

Re: [off list] Re: [Finale] LONG - SORRY - Performance/recording

2005-01-30 Thread Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
No no no no !!!   I got that and I really did appreciate what you were saying -- a broadside AGAINST those who ONLY program the old.    I didn't take it as absolutely literal -- I was correct in my assumption, wasn't I??    I do enjoy your take-no-prisoners approach in this and much else of

[off list] Re: [Finale] LONG - SORRY - Performance/recording

2005-01-30 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 01:47 PM 1/30/05 -0800, you wrote: >Really interesting and excellent essay But from *1992*, and written for its s(c)h(l)ock value. Published in one of Vermont's dailies. :) D ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jan 2005, at 4:39 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: Yes. I don't dispute anyone's right to fight for their job, or to unionize to do so. My point, which I think I said before, is that no one has an absolute right to a job. In purely labor terms, a musician is no different from a welder or an ice de

Re: [Finale] LONG - SORRY - Performance/recording

2005-01-30 Thread Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
Really interesting and excellent essay, Dennis -- and please don't read a single iota of irony into my statement.    You make some rather fascinating pronouncements,  such as your premise that (and I quote:)    "Contemporary schlock of any genre (even music as tune, jingle, hook or wor

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 02:56 PM 01/30/2005, Darcy James Argue wrote: >On 30 Jan 2005, at 12:05 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: > >> Personally, as I've said before, I find the labor issue the least >> convincing of these three. > >Why? When corporations act in their own economic interests by cutting >jobs, people refer to "

Re: [Finale] Copy Staff Styles

2005-01-30 Thread Chuck Israels
On Jan 30, 2005, at 12:49 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: That's far too much hassle... Yes, Johannes, to me too. It's just the only way I would know how to do it. If folks like Darcy and Brad have not answered with a simpler method, then maybe that is the only way. I think we get used to how eas

Re: [Finale] up grade advice

2005-01-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Don, It's no big deal -- I usually just throw a quick glance at maccentral.com and xlr8yourmac.com every day. I used to check versiontracker.com and macfixit.com daily as well, but that just got too exhausting. Now I only go there if I'm looking for something specific. - Darcy - [EMAI

[Finale] Double postings - sorry

2005-01-30 Thread Johannes Gebauer
My appologies for the double postings, my mails were not getting through, so I reposted. Then both copies made it. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.e

Re: [Finale] Copy Staff Styles

2005-01-30 Thread Johannes Gebauer
That's far too much hassle... Thanks anyway. Seems like a huge oversight to me. Johannes Chuck Israels wrote: Johannes, I don't know about copying them, but you can save them in a library, load the library into a new document, modify the staff style there and re-name it, and then load that wherev

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Lon Price
On Jan 30, 2005, at 4:45 AM, dhbailey wrote: For many people, notation is how we learned to represent music on paper, so it is second nature for us to create compositions and then have a program like Finale perform them for us, either to use as a demo or simply so that we can hear it. Many peop

Re: [Finale] up grade advice

2005-01-30 Thread Don Hart
Wow! what can I say except "greater little machine than I thought" and "wish I'd known that when I was buying my computer"? I'll probably try this out on my friend's iMac. Darcy, how do you manage to keep up with helpful sites like this? MacWorld? VersionTracker? Others like them? I recently s

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Carl Dershem
dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: [snip]> Surely you are not comparing the relative worth to society of ice-delivery and music? Depends on where you earn your income, I guess. Nobody in this discussion has brought up the spectre of eliminating music, certainly I hope not me. We have be

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jan 30, 2005, at 3:19 PM, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: [snip]> Surely you are not comparing the relative worth to society of ice-delivery and music? Depends on where you earn your income, I guess. Nobody in this discussion has brought up the spectre of eliminating music, certainly

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
Sure, Dennis -- I don't mind the pounding!  Because -- are you ready? --   Nearly every single concert of the MSO  included world premieres of brand-new, never-before-heard-anywhere music.   Sorry I didn't mention that in my previous post, but that discussion was really about the merit of l

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: [snip]> Surely you are not comparing the relative worth to society of ice-delivery and music? Depends on where you earn your income, I guess. Nobody in this discussion has brought up the spectre of eliminating music, certainly I hope not me. We have been speaking of t

Re: [Finale] up grade advice

2005-01-30 Thread Chuck Israels
Yes, Always - (to make the number as large as possible, I guess, as well as to establish some consistent standard). Chuck On Jan 30, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Stupid question, but ... when one measures a monitor (e.g. 20in), I assume it's diagonally? Dean On Jan 30, 2005, at

Re: [Finale] up grade advice

2005-01-30 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Stupid question, but ... when one measures a monitor (e.g. 20in), I assume it's diagonally? Dean On Jan 30, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 30 Jan 2005, at 1:35 PM, Don Hart wrote: I was going to buy one of the new iMacs myself except Apple said I wouldn't be able to extend the de

Re: [Finale] up grade advice

2005-01-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jan 2005, at 1:35 PM, Don Hart wrote: I was going to buy one of the new iMacs myself except Apple said I wouldn't be able to extend the desktop with a second monitor only mirror it. Hi Don, That's actually easily fixed. The video cards in iMacs and iBooks are perfectly capable of spanning

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jan 2005, at 12:05 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: Personally, as I've said before, I find the labor issue the least convincing of these three. Why? When corporations act in their own economic interests by cutting jobs, people refer to "market forces," as if this was some immutable force of natu

Re: [Finale] Note expression feature request

2005-01-30 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Strictly speaking, that's not true. As I demonstrated with my dynamic articulations library years ago you can use the shape designer to quite easily construct multi-character articulations. However, that doesn't mean that articulations are the solution, especially as normal dynamics don't play

Re: [Finale] up grade advice

2005-01-30 Thread Johannes Gebauer
I am really sorry you feel this way. I felt the same the first year that I was using OS X. Personally I think that OS X 10.3 Panther changed this. The reason is that a lot of things that were previously there but difficult to access have now matured, and the system feels very much grown up. Onl

Re: [Finale] Note expression feature request

2005-01-30 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Go ahead, and I may do that, too. I also miss this feature, especially as I have changed from articulation dynamics to expression dynamics, and most of the time they absolutely need to be note expressions, but still appear in several or all staves. Johannes Don Hart wrote: Maybe this has been s

Re: [Finale] up grade advice

2005-01-30 Thread Johannes Gebauer
I am really sorry you feel this way. I felt the same the first year that I was using OS X. Personally I think that OS X 10.3 Panther changed this. The reason is that a lot of things that were previously there but difficult to access have now matured, and the system feels very much grown up. Only th

Re: [Finale] Metronome Value Question

2005-01-30 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Well, I think there is two reasons for this: Firstly, if you devided the metronome all the way in two tick steps, this would make sense between 40 and 50, but the difference between 200 and 202 is so minute, it wouldn't matter. The values are done in such a way that you can always double them an

Re: [Finale] Note expression feature request

2005-01-30 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Strictly speaking, that's not true. As I demonstrated with my dynamic articulations library years ago you can use the shape designer to quite easily construct multi-character articulations. However, that doesn't mean that articulations are the solution, especially as normal dynamics don't play back

Re: [Finale] TAN: iKeys and flow control in sequences

2005-01-30 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Yes, that's a real problem for me also, and still the same in the otherwise almost unusable iKey 2. Johannes Robert Patterson wrote: I downloaded iKeys 1.0.7 and like it alot. But the sequence tool does not provide any flow control commands (i.e., if/then/else) that I can find. I'd like to have

Re: [Finale] Metronome Value Question

2005-01-30 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Well, I think there is two reasons for this: Firstly, if you devided the metronome all the way in two tick steps, this would make sense between 40 and 50, but the difference between 200 and 202 is so minute, it wouldn't matter. The values are done in such a way that you can always double them and f

Re: [Finale] TAN: iKeys and flow control in sequences

2005-01-30 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Yes, that's a real problem for me also, and still the same in the otherwise almost unusable iKey 2. Johannes Robert Patterson wrote: I downloaded iKeys 1.0.7 and like it alot. But the sequence tool does not provide any flow control commands (i.e., if/then/else) that I can find. I'd like to have i

Re: [Finale] Copy Staff Styles

2005-01-30 Thread Chuck Israels
Johannes, I don't know about copying them, but you can save them in a library, load the library into a new document, modify the staff style there and re-name it, and then load that wherever you need it. Maybe there's an easier way, but this should work. Chuck On Jan 30, 2005, at 10:29 AM, Johan

Re: [Finale] Note expression feature request

2005-01-30 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Go ahead, and I may do that, too. I also miss this feature, especially as I have changed from articulation dynamics to expression dynamics, and most of the time they absolutely need to be note expressions, but still appear in several or all staves. Johannes Don Hart wrote: Maybe this has been sugge

[Finale] Copy Staff Styles

2005-01-30 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Is there an easy way to copy, ie duplicate staff styles? I want to use an existing staff style as a template for a new one, but I can't get this to work. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing li

Re: [Finale] up grade advice

2005-01-30 Thread Don Hart
Hi Len, I've bought a lot of equipment (compared to usual) in recent months, and should probably chime in. Mac or PC? I don't have any substantial experience on a PC but have been happy enough with the macs I've owned to not be overly curious. The apparent need to jump through hoops and tread l

Re: [Finale] LONG - SORRY - Performance/recording

2005-01-30 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 12:10 PM 1/30/05 -0500, John Howell wrote: >>Canned, synthesized orchestra?Interesting >>concept -- for some sort of necrophilharmonic. > >Oh Les, I LOVE that word!!! Well done! Hey! Those must be orchestras who play DWEM stuff, because "necrosones" are their listeners. Reference my essa

[Finale] GPOKeySwitches

2005-01-30 Thread FinaleMAC
>Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:58:33 -0500 >From: David Froom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Finale] GPOKeySwitches >To: Finale Group >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="US-ASCII" > >Hello JT, > >I downloaded the GPO KeySwitches file from the Garritan site.  First I

Re: [Finale] LONG - SORRY - Performance/recording

2005-01-30 Thread John Howell
At 8:17 PM -0800 1/29/05, Les Marsden wrote, with feeling!: Yeah, I love CDs; I've got CDs coming out my ears; I've got all the Bruckner Symphonies on CD -- and not just all nine plus "0" and "00" - I've got 'em ALL in ALL the various versions! Schalk, Löwe, Haas, originals; if it's been recor

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 11:22 AM 01/30/2005, Christopher Smith wrote: >I agree with your point, but what is lost to society when we need fewer >welders, as opposed to what is lost when musicians are forced out of >the business? I was in the middle of responding to a different post when this one from Christopher arrive

Re: [Finale] Metronome Value Question

2005-01-30 Thread Harold Owen
Hiro, I think the common MM numbers were probably a result of how much room there was for the numbers on a stand-up mechanical metronome. Also must of the numbers are factorable, that is not prime numbers, which makes it easier to divide them. With compute4rs, of course, any MM numbers are poss

Re: [Finale] LONG - SORRY - Performance/recording

2005-01-30 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Amen ... well spake. Robert Shaw would be proud of you. And, this is a great example of why I sign my posts in the manner I do. Dean M. Estabrook (One of three trombonists in our local symphony orchestra) On Jan 29, 2005, at 8:17 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: Sorry -- this slipped ou

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread A-NO-NE Music
dhbailey / 05.1.30 / 07:45 AM wrote: >For many people, notation is how we learned to represent music on paper, >so it is second nature for us to create compositions and then have a >program like Finale perform them for us, With all due respect, and hope I am not offending anyone, My goal of not

Re: [Finale] Menus in MacFin04b

2005-01-30 Thread Robert Patterson
Ya, ya, ya. I do it both ways, but mainly I don't do it at all. (Macro program.) Anyway, I think the problem was the the ctrl key state was messed up somehow. When I rebooted, the menus reverted to normal. Thomas Schaller wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: On 30 Jan 2005, at 11:07 AM, Robert Patt

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Thanks to everyone for this conversation. It's very revealing and helpful. At 01:57 AM 1/30/05 -0800, Lon Price wrote: [referring to my post] >This is the attitude of the modern composer, who feels that the players >are incapable of ever getting his/her composition right. I didn't say 'ever' --

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jan 30, 2005, at 2:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where the difference is, is that computers have not put engravers out of work (except in the very lowest echelons of publication) to the same extent that sequencers have cut into musicians' jobs. There is not enough work to go around to all t

Re: [Finale] Menus in MacFin04b

2005-01-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jan 2005, at 11:07 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: I working with MacFin04b and I've noticed that if I attempt to select a menu in a continuous drag motion, nothing happens. That is, I downclick and hold then drag the menu option I want, then I release. When I release nothing happens. Wow. Th

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jan 30, 2005, at 7:19 AM, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: Where the difference is, is that computers have not put engravers out of work (except in the very lowest echelons of publication) to the same extent that sequencers have cut into musicians' jobs. There is not enough work to g

Re: [Finale] TAN: More iKey

2005-01-30 Thread Steve Gibons
iKey 2 is the same. There doesn't seem to have been much added to the functionality of iKey 2, but the user interface has become infinitely convoluted, and stuff that worked in iKey 1 is broken in iKey 2, ie; shortcuts triggered by activating an application do not work properly. My experience

[Finale] Menus in MacFin04b

2005-01-30 Thread Robert Patterson
I working with MacFin04b and I've noticed that if I attempt to select a menu in a continuous drag motion, nothing happens. That is, I downclick and hold then drag the menu option I want, then I release. When I release nothing happens. However, if I use two separate clicks I can select menu item

[Finale] TAN: More iKey

2005-01-30 Thread Robert Patterson
Another apparent iKey limitation is that it can only go one submenu deep? Does anyone know a way around this? Is iKey 2 any better in this regard? I would love to try QuickKeys, but they've abandoned my OS. The demo doesn't even start. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com __

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread kallisti
That's called "layoffs" and every industry (including engraving) has undergone them when a new labor-saving technology reaches critical mass and every business has to adopt it or die. Just as musicians are needed to program those sequencers and play those sounds for the samplers and other music

Re: [Finale] Metronome Value Question

2005-01-30 Thread Daniel Wolf
Richard Yates wrote: I was always wondering how metronome value are divided, meaning, I am used to increment by two from 40 up to 60, but I have never seen 62. It's 60, 63, 66, 69, 72. But next is not 75. It's 76, is it not? I always _felt_ this is something to do with how human naturally relate

Re: [Finale] Metronome Value Question

2005-01-30 Thread Richard Yates
Looking up 'metronome' I found a hilarious video link. Here is the text, then the link: "One educator describes 'wheels' with the left hand. Uniform circular motion of the hand (and arm) is essential. One "wheel" always represents a quarter note. Two spokes to the wheel beat eighth notes; three sp

Re: [Finale] Bluetooth keyboard

2005-01-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Joseph, I think Bluetooth would be too slow for MIDI. Regards, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 30 Jan 2005, at 2:49 AM, Joseph Beckitt wrote: Bluetooth has always fascinated me, but thinking about Bluetooth keyboards/mice makes me wonder if there are any midi Bluetooth interface

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 30 Jan 2005, at 7:31 AM, dhbailey wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: Aaron, If musicians won't fight for our own interests, who will? Maybe the Virtual Orchestra Machine will put us all out of business one day. Who knows? That doesn't mean we have to take it lying down. Indeed! Boycott those s

Re: [Finale] Metronome Value Question

2005-01-30 Thread Richard Yates
> I was always wondering how metronome value are divided, meaning, > I am used to increment by two from 40 up to 60, but I have never seen 62. > It's 60, 63, 66, 69, 72. But next is not 75. It's 76, is it not? I > always _felt_ this is something to do with how human naturally relates to > pulse

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread dhbailey
Lon Price wrote: [snip]> I'm surprised at the attitudes taken by some people who have responded to this thread. Virtually all of the music that I do on my computer is directly related to getting a group of real live human beings to play primarily acoustic instruments. I don't really know why s

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread dhbailey
Darcy James Argue wrote: Aaron, If musicians won't fight for our own interests, who will? Maybe the Virtual Orchestra Machine will put us all out of business one day. Who knows? That doesn't mean we have to take it lying down. Indeed! Boycott those shows who use computer-controlled lighting si

Re: [Finale] The ARCHIVE Password

2005-01-30 Thread dhbailey
Roger Julià Satorra wrote: -- dhbailey<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But now that your e-mail is out there on the marketed spam lists, nothing any archive is going to do will change that. That's provably true, but new members who haven't post yet and who don't receive spam can post here and get in

Re: [Finale] Note expression feature request

2005-01-30 Thread dhbailey
Don Hart wrote: Maybe this has been suggested before, but if it has I've missed it. I would love to be able to apply note expressions to a group of notes by drag selecting, just like we can articulations. It seems like such a natural I actually tried it once to see if the feature was implemented a

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: On Jan 29, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 02:11 PM 01/29/2005, Carl Dershem wrote: >Aaron Sherber wrote: > > > Devil's advocate, for a moment: Why couldn't the musicians left without >> a gig sharpen *their* computer skills, and use their advanced >> musiciansh

[Finale] R. Strauss - Four Last Songs

2005-01-30 Thread Jón Kristinn Cortez
I am trying to find Richard Strauss's September from Four Last Songs a tone lower than original,- it's in D but a student of mine needs it in C. Has anyone any knowledge of a lower edition? Cortez___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.

Re: [Finale] Live/Recorded

2005-01-30 Thread dhbailey
Chuck Israels wrote: "Listening to music on records is like getting kissed over the telephone." - Jerry Rosen, former BSO violinist & pianist "It's more like eating a picture of food." - Bill Dobbins, jazz pianist/composer/arranger Still, I feel that my recordings are the real artifacts of my w

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread dhbailey
Carl Dershem wrote: Aaron Sherber wrote: > Devil's advocate, for a moment: Why couldn't the musicians left without a gig sharpen *their* computer skills, and use their advanced musicianship to help make sampled or sequenced performances better? Oh, yeah - that pays so well, pays *off* so well (i

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread dhbailey
Aaron Sherber wrote: [snip of compelling points] Again, please keep in mind that I'm not arguing in favor of technology over live musicians. But the issue is a complex one, as other posts have also made clear, and for me the arguments based on employment are among the least compelling. Made even

Re: [Finale] Metronome Value Question

2005-01-30 Thread Christopher Smith
Somebody posted a fascinating link on this subject a year or so ago – who was it? It explained the whole reasoning behind the marking divisions on modern metronomes. Christopher On Jan 30, 2005, at 1:00 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Little OT. This is my long time question that I was too embarrassed

Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

2005-01-30 Thread Lon Price
Just a few comments regarding this thread. Someone suggested that the players being put out of work by samplers should develop other skills. I'm one of those players who, I suppose, saw the writing on the wall with the advent of MIDI, and learned how to use a computer as a tool for making music