Re: [Flightgear-devel] Some little bugs report from an enthusiast new user...

2002-10-15 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson writes: > The problem with the 2D panel mapped to the cockpit had been there > since Andy added that capability...but now I don't see it anymore. > I'm sure it was there fairly recently, within the last month > anyway. Are you seeing it with current code David? It shows up when y

[Flightgear-devel] Bugzilla

2002-10-15 Thread David Findlay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone thought of using bugzilla to keep track of bugs and suggestions for FlightGear? If no one else wants to, I could administer it, since I seem to have no time to code these days. Thanks, David - -- If you give someone a program, you will

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSAA frustration continues (Nvidia forum post)

2002-10-15 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Dave, On a Geforce3 and a GeForce4 Ti4200 I have observed that FSAA works fine, except when I try to exit FlightGear, my entire machine locks up. On GeForce2, you can't FSAA at resolutions over 800x600 I believe ... and I'll take 1600x1200 over 800x600 FSAA any day ... The Geforce3/4 behavior

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSAA frustration continues (Nvidia forum post)

2002-10-15 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Geoff Reidy writes: > The major problem I have with fgfs is that I seem to hit a race > condition where all graphics and sound stop for extended periods of time > (up to about 30 secs), long enough for autopilot (or me!) to lose > control and the plane will always crash. > During this time there i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSAA frustration continues (Nvidia forum post)

2002-10-15 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson > Geoff Reidy writes: > > The major problem I have with fgfs is that I seem to hit a race > > condition where all graphics and sound stop for extended periods of time > > (up to about 30 secs),> > This most likely relates to freeing tile memory (i.e. moving old tiles > out of the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSAA frustration continues (Nvidia forum post)

2002-10-15 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Norman Vine writes: > The same thing happens for me with both Cygwin gcc 2.95.2 > and MingW gcc 3.2 both using Doug Lea's malloc routines which > I believe is what most Linux distributions use > > CVS version of Cygwin > > Implemeting the thread support seems to make this even worse > but this i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSAA frustration continues (Nvidia forum post)

2002-10-15 Thread Norman Vine
Norman Vine > > CVS version of Cygwin AACK CVS version of FGFS Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSAA frustration continues (Nvidia forum post)

2002-10-15 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: > Norman Vine writes: > > The same thing happens for me with both Cygwin gcc 2.95.2 > > and MingW gcc 3.2 both using Doug Lea's malloc routines which > > I believe is what most Linux distributions use > > It might be worth verifying that my partial tile free-er routine i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Some little bugs report from an enthusiastnew user...

2002-10-15 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: > The problem with the 2D panel mapped to the cockpit had been there > since Andy added that capability...but now I don't see it anymore. > I'm sure it was there fairly recently, within the last month anyway. > Are you seeing it with current code David? It's related to depth buf

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSAA frustration continues (Nvidia forum post)

2002-10-15 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Norman Vine writes: > Curtis L. Olson writes: > > > Norman Vine writes: > > > The same thing happens for me with both Cygwin gcc 2.95.2 > > > and MingW gcc 3.2 both using Doug Lea's malloc routines which > > > I believe is what most Linux distributions use > > > > It might be worth verifying th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSAA frustration continues (Nvidia forum post)

2002-10-15 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson > Norman Vine writes: > > > > FWIW - I ended up assuming that my poor little 256 meg machine > > just wasn't big enough to run FGFS anymore under Windows as it > > appears to be memory related disk thrashing that is killing me. > > Another test would be to disable the random gro

[Flightgear-devel] Licensing issues

2002-10-15 Thread Curtis L. Olson
I know this is probably opening a can of worms, but I just thought I'd throw this out to the list now so people could start thinking about and/or discussing the issues. Currently SimGear is a set of libraries, each of which is licensed under the *L*GPL. FlightGear is also mostly a set of librari

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing issues

2002-10-15 Thread Alex Perry
I don't see a real benefit of changing FGFS from GPL to LGPL ... * The people who don't like GPL probably aren't much happier about LGPL * They (or we) can add a shared-memory tunnel in SimGear for properties * Most proprietary extensions can simply coexist as separate programs Anything that make

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing issues

2002-10-15 Thread Jon S Berndt
I thought about LGPL for JSBSim, and IIRC Tony and others were agreeable to that and also had been thinking of that - Tony, correct me if I am wrong. I think it makes a lot of sense. If we are still agreeable to that, I think we can go that route at any time. Jon

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing issues

2002-10-15 Thread Cameron Moore
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Curtis L. Olson) [2002.10.15 15:24]: > I know this is probably opening a can of worms, but I just thought I'd > throw this out to the list now so people could start thinking about > and/or discussing the issues. Oh, great. This could turn into the flamewar of the year... :-

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing issues

2002-10-15 Thread Andy Ross
Alex Perry wrote: > I don't see a real benefit of changing FGFS from GPL to LGPL ... > * The people who don't like GPL probably aren't much happier about LGPL > * They (or we) can add a shared-memory tunnel in SimGear for properties > * Most proprietary extensions can simply coexist as separate pr

[Flightgear-devel] KSTL bug

2002-10-15 Thread Curtis L. Olson
For what it's worth, I did a high speed taxi down the same runway in the JSBSim C172. At the same point on the runway, the C172 takes a hard bounce, goes almost completely nose down vertical, but recovers without "crashing". I don't see any visual discontinuity, so I assume this must be a proble

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing issues

2002-10-15 Thread James A. Treacy
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 03:22:02PM -0500, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > - If we wanted to tweak the licensing terms for the FlightGear > project, could we? Who has authority to do this. If we can get > most authors/contributors to agree, is that good enough? Do we need > approval from 100%

Re: [Flightgear-devel] KSTL bug

2002-10-15 Thread Norman Vine
Curtis L. Olson writes: > I dumped out the ground elevation as I went over the anomoly and > here's what I get: > elev = 164.032 > elev = 166.037

re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing issues

2002-10-15 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: > I know this is probably opening a can of worms, but I just thought I'd > throw this out to the list now so people could start thinking about > and/or discussing the issues. > > Currently SimGear is a set of libraries, each of which is licensed > under the *L*GPL.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] KSTL bug

2002-10-15 Thread Norman Vine
Norman Vine wrote: > Curtis L. Olson writes: > > > Could the hitlist code be overly aggressive on what it's caching > > internally? > > Maybe - should be easy enough to back out almost all of the > modifications as I do not believe that the Interface ever changed > much Oh yea - there is an i

[Flightgear-devel] fgfs crashing at CYYZ

2002-10-15 Thread Alex Romosan
i get a crash trying to fly the a4-yasim out of toronto's pearson international airport (CYYZ). this is the backtrace: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [Switching to Thread 1024 (LWP 23176)] SGPropertyNode::getDoubleValue (this=0x0) at props.cxx:1117 1117 if (_attr == (RE

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bugzilla

2002-10-15 Thread Bernie Bright
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:02:09 +1000 David Findlay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Has anyone thought of using bugzilla to keep track of bugs and suggestions > for FlightGear? If no one else wants to, I could administer it, since I seem > to have no

re: [Flightgear-devel] fgfs crashing at CYYZ

2002-10-15 Thread David Megginson
Alex Romosan writes: > i get a crash trying to fly the a4-yasim out of toronto's pearson > international airport (CYYZ). this is the backtrace: Which runway? What altitude at the time of the crash? Which scenery distro? I'll see if I can reproduce. All the best, David -- David Meggins

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bugzilla

2002-10-15 Thread David Findlay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:19 am, Bernie Bright wrote this piece of wisdom: > We already have that facility on sourceforge but its hardly ever used. Well maybe it needs to be setup, and linked on the press releases and front page of the website, so peop

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bugzilla

2002-10-15 Thread David Findlay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:19 am, Bernie Bright wrote this piece of wisdom: > We already have that facility on sourceforge but its hardly ever used. BTW I think Bugzilla, with a KDE style bug reporting wizard would be more powerful for tracking these th

[Flightgear-devel] Re: fgfs crashing at CYYZ

2002-10-15 Thread Alex Romosan
David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Alex Romosan writes: > > > i get a crash trying to fly the a4-yasim out of toronto's pearson > > international airport (CYYZ). this is the backtrace: > > Which runway? What altitude at the time of the crash? Which scenery > distro? I'll see if

[Flightgear-devel] Re: fgfs crashing at CYYZ

2002-10-15 Thread Alex Romosan
Alex Romosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > the default runway i guess. fgfs doesn't even run (it crashes during > initialization). i suspect some problem with the radio frequencies for > CYYZ. the scenery is the standard one downloaded from flightgear.org > and everything else is the latest from

re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: fgfs crashing at CYYZ

2002-10-15 Thread David Megginson
Alex Romosan writes: > the default runway i guess. fgfs doesn't even run (it crashes during > initialization). i suspect some problem with the radio frequencies for > CYYZ. the scenery is the standard one downloaded from flightgear.org > and everything else is the latest from CVS. Yes, I'm g

re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: fgfs crashing at CYYZ

2002-10-15 Thread Curtis L. Olson
At first glance it appears that the radio stack is being created, init'd and bound before the electrical subsystem. This means that properties in the electrical system that the radio stack expects, are not there yet. It seems like an initialization order problem although I don't understand why i

re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: fgfs crashing at CYYZ

2002-10-15 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: > At first glance it appears that the radio stack is being created, > init'd and bound before the electrical subsystem. This means that > properties in the electrical system that the radio stack expects, are > not there yet. That shouldn't matter, though, as long as

re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: fgfs crashing at CYYZ

2002-10-15 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Errr, not exactly, but my fault. Should be fixed now in cvs. Regards, Curt. David Megginson writes: > Curtis L. Olson writes: > > > At first glance it appears that the radio stack is being created, > > init'd and bound before the electrical subsystem. This means that > > properties in th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing issues

2002-10-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:37:32 -0400, David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > My opinion is already on the record, so I'll just restate it quickly: > I prefer Public Domain to LGPL (and LGPL to GPL), both because it > makes it easier for companies to use the c

Re: [Flightgear-devel] KSTL bug

2002-10-15 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Norman Vine writes: > Oh yea - there is an indexing bug in the FAST TRISTRIP logic that > somehow never got changed even though the fix was in several of > my submissions For what it's worth, separating out individual concepts into separate patch submissions makes things a lot easier and simple

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing issues

2002-10-15 Thread David Megginson
Arnt Karlsen writes: > .."public domain" equals "the author drops or donates his copyright > to the public domain"? It means that the work is released into the public domain. There is no donation, because no one owns (or can own) copyright on their original work, though people can copyrig

[Flightgear-devel] Free At Last

2002-10-15 Thread Cameron Moore
I figured David would have said something by now, but Blender was open-sourced a couple days ago. This is great news for the open-source community (ie. "us"). Go check it out: http://www.blender.org/ Feel free to write some tutorials for us modelling newbies. ;-) Thanks -- Cameron Moore [

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Help

2002-10-15 Thread Marcio Shimoda
Yes, you can use plugins and scripts to load obj, 3ds,... Marcio Shimoda - Original Message - From: dominic stadden To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 7:07 AM Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Help Hi, is it possible to load non gmax .mdl files into gmax. Sorry this message

[Flightgear-devel] TC ball

2002-10-15 Thread Curtis L. Olson
FWIW, the turn coordinator ball behaves *very* differently between JSBSim and YASim and another FDM I am playing with. All supposedly return accelerations in body axis in ft/sec squared. This means we can't create a single turn coordinator instrument who's ball behaves reasonably well for every

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing issues

2002-10-15 Thread Curtis L. Olson
James A. Treacy writes: > You should get as close to 100% of the contributors to agree as you > can get. Flightgear needs to be prepared to remove any code written by > someone who disagrees or who couldn't be contacted and appears later > on. > > FWIW, wine did this earlier this year and they go

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing issues

2002-10-15 Thread Alex Perry
> Arnt Karlsen writes: > > .."public domain" equals "the author drops or donates his copyright > > to the public domain"? See the article in Linux Journal recently. You legally cannot place anything into the public domain, you merely get to assert that the licensing you are assigning to yo

RE: [Flightgear-devel] TC ball

2002-10-15 Thread Jon Berndt
> FWIW, the turn coordinator ball behaves *very* differently between > JSBSim and YASim and another FDM I am playing with. All supposedly > return accelerations in body axis in ft/sec squared. This means we > can't create a single turn coordinator instrument who's ball behaves > reasonably well

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing issues

2002-10-15 Thread James A. Treacy
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 11:15:08PM -0500, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > Question: for a particular source file, if a person contributed a > minor patch or tweak to compile on a new platform, does that person > now have a "full" say in the future of that source, or are they giving > their changes to the