Excellent. That is exactly what is needed - good clear advice direct from the
source. It does appear they're not willing to allow anyone to use elements of
copyrighted works in any 'visible' aspects of the models, so that would present
some difficulty when it comes to re-creating liveries - at l
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:44:44 +, Nikon wrote in message
:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am running Flightgear 64-bit with the latest git pull and windows
> nightly build applied. FG works fine without Rendering options
> enabled and I get 42 frames on the runway with a DH91 Albatross.
> But I cant
Hi Folks,
I am running Flightgear 64-bit with the latest git pull and windows nightly
build applied. FG works fine without Rendering options enabled and I get 42
frames on the runway with a DH91 Albatross. But I cant get some of the
material shader stuff working.
Please let me know w
Chris' point is well-taken.
If in doubt - in fact, even if not in doubt - it's good to ask.
Here's an actual data point.
There was an "event' a few years ago that lead me to inquire with Boeing
about the use of their company name in identifying certain aircraft that had
been modeled in
I've been lurking on this discussion, and feel a need to add my $0.02. If there
is a question over the legality of the use of certain trademarked logo's, why
not ask the copyright holder(s)? Rather that than waste time on a pointless
debate where the arguments either way are speculative at best.
This is getting ludicrous.
I guess there won't be complaints about "The Forum" anymore.
Move on, before you kill FG by removing all content that encourages
someone to use it.
There are other discussions more worthy of your expertise.
Beating this one over and over again w
Although Flight Gear is a 'not for profit', there are at least a couple of
'businesses' (ProFlightSimulator & FlightProSimulator) that use FGS's
software as their core including aircraft and world map. And, since those
companies are in the 'for profit' realm, certain companies that are really
seri
Stuart Buchanan
Snip ...
> However given that there us such disagreement on this subject I'm not
> going to unilaterally remove them.
>
I should think not!
Vivian
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Curt wrote:
> So why aren't we *removing* all our existing uses of the redbull logo ... or
> at least the ones that I can find in 2 seconds? None of the people who are
> saying Jack can't submit his helicopter with a redbull livery are saying
> anything about the 2 aircraft and several scenery
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:06:00 +0100, HB-GRAL wrote in message
<4d5d6388.1040...@sablonier.ch>:
> Am 17.02.11 18:30, schrieb Gene Lege:
> > As I am sure many other people will point out, "fair use" is a
> > specific provision of copyright law - it has absolutely nothing to
> > do with trademark law
Hi,
>This smells strongly of a case where we like our policy better when it's
>>applied to others and not ourselves. I'm not saying there isn't some
>>logical explanation that I'm totally missing, I'm just saying what it >smells
>like to me.
Myself wasn't aware of that we have other models w
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Heiko Schulz wrote:
> To be honest:
> Yes, according to international laws a lot of the content is indeed an
> infringement.
>
> It depends on each company how they react. Most companies won't say
> anything, but in the past there have been some.
>
> Red Bull is k
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Martin Spott wrote:
> Curtis Olson wrote:
>
> > I'm sure these known usages of the redbull logo are actively being
> scrubbed
> > right now??? If not, it sure makes all of this rhetoric sound pretty
> > hollow. Hmmm, I just did a git pull and they are still there
>
> Like Curt mentioned earlier, you'd better apply the same
> standard across
> the board or don't bother. I think your best bet is
> to create your own
> little private sanitized aircraft collection so you don't
> have to be
> horrified by the rest of us scoff-laws.
>
> After you're done t
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:00:37 +0100, Oliver wrote in message
<20110217170037.16...@gmx.net>:
> >I'd LOVE RedBull to chase after FPS!
>
> The following would happen: RB says "hey they are selling our logo in
> that FPS thing" and address FPS. FPS will tell them something about
> GPL and point dire
Curtis Olson wrote:
> I'm sure these known usages of the redbull logo are actively being scrubbed
> right now??? If not, it sure makes all of this rhetoric sound pretty
> hollow. Hmmm, I just did a git pull and they are still there. I guess no
> one is moving too quickly on these existing infra
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Heiko Schulz wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>>> understand: The problem is
>> really only the Red Bull logo, as they are
>>> known to make problems. If other sims use this logo,
>> then only because
>>> Red Bull didn't discoverd it yet. Mostly all other
>> logos using in this
>>
>> Citation
2011/2/17 Tim Moore :
> I've committed one more fix that should make things right on 2.8.3.
> Tim
>
It works now with OSG 2.8.1 !
Thanks Tim.
Bertrand.
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Tim Moore wrote:
> I've committed one more fix that should make things right on 2.8.3.
Works with stock OSG libs on Debian 6,
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Hi,
>
> Last year there was a high court decision in Germany
> regarding the trademarked logos of Opel (spark) and Mercedes
> (the well known star).
> The court stated that a replica of an item can include
> trademarked logos if they integrally belong to the original
> item. This means that a Ope
Hi,
> > understand: The problem is
> really only the Red Bull logo, as they are
> > known to make problems. If other sims use this logo,
> then only because
> > Red Bull didn't discoverd it yet. Mostly all other
> logos using in this
>
> Citation please.
Easy: Google "Red Bull Trademark" and
Fair use is also a defense for trademarks.
The problem is these are defenses - they will only work if we are defendants in
a lawsuit, and we don't want to litigate.
We should take a path which maximizes our resources while minimizes our
potential to get sued, or at least have a lot of data remo
Am 17.02.11 18:30, schrieb Gene Lege:
> As I am sure many other people will point out, "fair use" is a specific
> provision of copyright law - it has absolutely nothing to do with trademark
> law.
>
It looks like Red Bull has licenses to use their trademark for Apps and
Games. An example for this
As I am sure many other people will point out, "fair use" is a specific
provision of copyright law - it has absolutely nothing to do with trademark
law.
gl
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Frederic Bouvier wrote:
> IMO, our use of trademarked material is just fair use (google 'copyright
> fair
On 2/17/2011 11:25 AM, Frederic Bouvier wrote:
> IMO, our use of trademarked material is just fair use (google 'copyright fair
> use' if you like) and it's something we shouldn't worry about.
>
> -Fred
Close, but google "trademark fair use" instead.
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IMO, our use of trademarked material is just fair use (google 'copyright fair
use' if you like) and it's something we shouldn't worry about.
-Fred
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:43:19 -0800 (PST), J. wrote in message
<234538.53500...@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>:
> You are all being ridiculous except for Curt.
>
> We have the ability to sell the product and could theoretically get
> sued even though we are open-source. As I have said, the best thi
> I'm sorry if reality offends your delicate sensibilities.
May I remind you of this quote here:
>They're just a bunch of bloviating windbags with nothing better to do >but run
>in circles,
If that is your style it does not deserve more comments.
>
> > You can´t just walk through your neighb
Here's the flip side of the argument. If we are pristine and use no
trademarks, then we have to go through and remove half our simulator
content. That's a scorched earth policy. No one wants to do that. So the
same people drawing the line in the sand on the redbull logo start waffling
on every
You are all being ridiculous except for Curt.
We have the ability to sell the product and could theoretically get sued even
though we are open-source. As I have said, the best thing to do is put in a
legal disclaimer saying we are not affiliated with any companies which may be
represented in ou
On 2/17/2011 10:15 AM, Curtis Olson wrote:
> For what it's worth, the RedBull logo is currently used in the scene
> model database to decorate the "redbull air race" pylons. We also
> have two aircraft in git that also have RedBull logos.
>
> These are just the instances I found in a 2 second se
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Oliver Fels wrote:
I think the problem is that someone got on their high horse and started
jerking him around. If I were him, I'd get just as snotty about it - more
so probably as I've got a much lower tolerance for that kind of nonsense.
[...]
stop. It has no basis in
For what it's worth, the RedBull logo is currently used in the scene model
database to decorate the "redbull air race" pylons. We also have two
aircraft in git that also have RedBull logos.
These are just the instances I found in a 2 second search because they had
"redbull" in the file name. The
> I think the problem is that someone got on their high horse and started
> jerking him around. If I were him, I'd get just as snotty about it - more
> so probably as I've got a much lower tolerance for that kind of nonsense.
[...]
> stop. It has no basis in reality. Never has. Frankly I thin
Heiko,
As I've said before, this simply isn't true!
Red Bull are very accommodating, I've spoken to them before about this on a
"commercial" product and they required no licensing agreement at all, simply an
email from myself saying that we weren't marketing it as a "Red Bull" product,
simply
> understand: The problem is really only the Red Bull logo, as they are
> known to make problems. If other sims use this logo, then only because
> Red Bull didn't discoverd it yet. Mostly all other logos using in this
Citation please.
g.
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, syd adams wrote:
> Ok I tried to keep out of it ...;)
> The issue isn't your work , it's the concern over the Red Bull livery
> I haven't yet figured out why it's so important to include ,
> there must be many other paint schemes that could be added instead.
> I did 777 B
First of all sorry for the reply format, I only have access to the weekly
digest currently so response are a bit out of context. Will change this soon.
Heiko Schulz wrote:
>Problem is more the Eurocopter-logo which I should better remove.
Last year there was a high court decision in Germany r
> commit 83f7c1cd57dfbe8301fce93314ab5d2e7d685ad1
> Author: Frederic Bouvier
> Date: Wed Feb 16 09:48:58 2011 +0100
>Fix issue #252
> http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=252 by Lauri
> Peltonen
Thanks for that Lauri and Fred - for the first time in years the Lightnin
I've committed one more fix that should make things right on 2.8.3.
Tim
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Tim Moore wrote:
> OK, I see that merely removing the 2.8.3 case from my conditional,
> which I checked in a couple of hours ago, isn't correct. I'll have
> another go.
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2
Interesting to read:
http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?198223-Why-Don-t-Some-Airlines-Manufacturers-Like-their-Planes-Liveries-In-Flightsim/page1
Quote:"Do you mean used on flightsim add-ons - if so how do you know the
airlines have agreed? I suspect that, if they know about it, they
Hi,
Technically, all these logos are under trademark:
http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Aircraft/737-100/Models/Liveries/731CA.png;h=43cfc5a15abb392519e1f95d34951d410d3c3c80;hb=HEADhttp://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Aircraft/737-100/Models/Liveries/731cont
Hi Thorsten,
> Anyway, you maybe you can double-check if that patch really changed
> anything concerning initialization.
I checked it in gdb when I made the patch, the members of FGForce
contained garbage, some of which was NaN. This was removed by after
adding the InitMatrix calls.
> If it rea
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