Re: [FRIAM] Big data forensics

tivated conclusions for the > sake of working against them (and that is not an unreasonable fear; it’s > where Miranda rights come from). So to the degree that an accurate and > reasonably confident story could be put together for this problem, perhaps it > would reduce the time

[FRIAM] The Originalist Presidency in Practice?

t investing in the OLC as a "deep state" institution seems important. Can it be true that Congress doesn't have anything similar? Would the CRS be a model for such? <https://crsreports.congress.gov/> Or perhaps even play that role? -- glen ep ropella 971-599-3737 -

[FRIAM] Personified/anthropomorphized software (was Re: New ways of understanding the world)

to understand and design such software. So I see >> no reason to avoid personification of AI software and would, in fact, argue >> that current approaches to designing an AI will fail precisely because they >> do not take that perspective. -- glen ep ropella 971-599-3737 - ..

Re: [FRIAM] How soon until AI takes over polling?

ately less credible than types of xAI where the system that explains IS the system that executes. On 11/11/20 9:00 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > Isn’t this a wonderful example of the incoherence of a notion of executive > consciousness? > > The system that explains is not t

Re: [FRIAM] How soon until AI takes over polling?

t;inter-reality" > in the Guintatas-Hubler sense?  > > https://journals.aps.org/pre/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevE.75.057201 > > My speculation is that we are already (way past) there, which is why the idea > of "Russian Interference" in our election via social

Re: [FRIAM] Google Dog

today?  So far as I could figure, the > background never repeats.  It must be done in layers.  It would be nice if > somebody explained it to me so that I won’t spend the entire day staring at > it. -- glen ep ropella 971-599-3737 - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .

Re: [FRIAM] hot time in town tonight

ng coarser and coarser models, agents to ODEs to networks > of weighted edges, say. Comparisons, then of things modeled inducing > comparisons across chains, maybe with some exactness or torsion criteria for > measuring degrees of satisfaction. > > On 9/23/20 8:21 AM, glen ep ropella

Re: [FRIAM] hot time in town tonight

x27;s a small change for a person used to writing functional > programs to get in the habit of using linear types. Similar to Swarm's > notion of switching phases, but where the switching of the method sets is > understood by the

Re: [FRIAM] Exciting new Covid research

del that "Contributes to a better >> understanding of Covid-19" and "Adds novelty to the existing literature," >> according to scientists Frank van de Veerdonk, Jos WM van der Meer, and >> Roger Little, who peer-reviewed the team's paper. > > &g

Re: [FRIAM] vaccine

ns of >thousands of people to assemble, and that have no replacements when >they are gone. > >> On Aug 24, 2020, at 8:36 AM, glen ep ropella >wrote: >> >> There's the key point, right? That diversity fosters openness, >facilitating the entrance, maintenance, and exti

Re: [FRIAM] vaccine

There's the key point, right? That diversity fosters openness, facilitating the entrance, maintenance, and extinction of all sorts of wild-type rationale. Writing in stone an authority figure like the CDC, or Fauci, or [who|what]ever dampens that openness ... stunts our ability to reason. I spen

[FRIAM] Ever heard of a ‘top-4’ primary? It could be heading to a state near you soon

Apt of no other threads 8^D: https://www.alternet.org/2020/08/ever-heard-of-a-top-4-primary-it-could-be-heading-to-a-state-near-you-soon/ -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.- . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group

Re: [FRIAM] COVID-19 Pandemic Modeling and Simulation

CS will use this information to set up > collaboration and dissemination channels, such as web meetings and webinars, > as soon as possible.   > > Kind regards, > Umut Durak > The Society of Modeling and Simulation International, (SCS) > VP of Education -- glen ep rop

[FRIAM] The Virtuous Side of Viruses

their host, instantly killing it. > > A purified lysin made from a phage gene isolated in Fischetti's lab was > tested in a phase 2 trial with 116 patients suffering from staph infections > of the blood or heart, including 43 with MRSA strains. -- glen ep ropella 971-599-3737 - ..

Re: [FRIAM] [Swarm-directors] proposal to invest the funds in E*Trade account

Yep, I like that ... though we may find several defense contractors on the list. On 6/12/20 3:25 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: What publicly traded companies do ABM.   Go all in. ☺ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-1

Re: [FRIAM] [Swarm-directors] today's meeting, and call for vote on proposal

10:45 AM > *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] [Swarm-directors] today's meeting, and call for vote > on proposal > >   > > I'm not part of Swarm, but hope you guys decide not to disband.  > >   > > On Mon,

Re: [FRIAM] [Swarm-directors] today's meeting, and call for vote on proposal

d. > > I do hope we can revisit Steve's proposal after we have some better > resolution of the future of SDG.  -- glen ep ropella 971-599-3737 . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtu

[FRIAM] Graal VM

What matters is they *know* Oracle supports Trump. -- glen ep ropella 971-599-3737 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam

[FRIAM] Scientific polarization

involves treating > evidence generated by other agents as uncertain when their beliefs are > relatively different from one’s own. -- glen ep ropella ⊥ 971-599-3737 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: How Computers Work, featuring Bill Gates, and more!

ors (whichever state we live in) to join > the 16 who have already signed up?​ > > It seems to me that: > - Broadband is a utility, like water and power. > - CS should be taught in public schools. > - Both together would be a Good Thing -- glen ep

[FRIAM] Meltdown & Spectre

I'm sure you're all already aware... But just in case: Reading privileged memory with a side-channel https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2018/01/reading-privileged-memory-with-side.html -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group lists

[FRIAM] Janus colloids

eld, and > when a rotating magnetic field is applied, they move in circles. In the > presence of these fields, about 50 percent of the colloids orient their > metal-coated hemisphere in the same direction. The remaining 50 percent face > in the opposite direction. --

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

m, we could use "coherence" or > some other word. And that means that your working definition is not naive. > It does rely on an intuition that many of us share. But in order for you to > know what you're talking about, you have to apply a bit more formality to

Re: [FRIAM] ​Academia.edu​

hology of the night time equivalent of > butterflies? A la > https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/head-strong/201404/what-the-military-can-learn-the-peppered-moth -- glen ep ropella ⊥ 971-280-5699 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group li

Re: [FRIAM] scraping a web site

and use a platform that supports "responsive" > design, where the platform detects the capabilities of the user's browser and > formats pages accordingly. I haven't dug into Nick's site yet, so I don't how > amenable the pages are to f

Re: [FRIAM] scraping a web site

$ wget -k -r http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/ On 01/04/2017 12:16 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote: > So I'm curious, what tools did you use to do Nick's migration? -- glen ep ropella ⊥ 971-280-5699 =

Re: [FRIAM] scraping a web site

am wondering if there is a way (or a service that would) scrape the website > and, possibly, dump it into a new and more reliable, more website creation > medium? Please, ambulatory knowledge only. I don’t want a people doing deep &g

Re: [FRIAM] Euthphyro vs Socrates

Ha! Yes. Perhaps that's exactly what Noah was talking about. >8^) But to be fair, we're all toddlers to some extent. I've always been confused about why child-like is a compliment but childish is an insult. On December 8, 2016 5:54:43 PM PST, Steven A Smith wrote: >... reminds me of a famous l

Re: [FRIAM] Dawning of the age of stochasticity

mment on the actual topic of the paper. 8^) On 11/13/2016 10:21 AM, Grant Holland wrote: http://www.stat.uchicago.edu/~lekheng/courses/191f09/mumford-AMS.pdf -- glen ep ropella ⊥ 971-280-5699 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Me

Re: [FRIAM] what other subject is there this morning

Heh. I'd move back if they did. In the meantime, I'd push for Cascadia. On November 9, 2016 9:01:02 PM PST, Marcus Daniels wrote: >What isn't possible at this point? > > >https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/09/trump-win-california-secede-calexit-silicon-valley?CMP=edit_2221 > >Silico

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

Well, I tend to use "rational" to mean analytic, cutting up. So when the liberals I was talking to expressed that the vote Trump as molotov cocktail was rational, I heard "if that's the way you slice up the world, then it makes sense ... it's not nonsense." But by saying it was unreasonable, the

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

That's it in the abstract. But to be more concrete, if Trump wins, I'll have to talk with various people about specific consequences of whatever his administration does. Eg since Renee's a nurse and I have cancer, I have to discuss healthcare and insurance and unions in specific. With Obama and

Re: [FRIAM] Yearly rant about this daylight savings stuff

I enjoy it. It's like losing a $20 bill in the spring, then finding it in your coat pocket in the fall. On November 5, 2016 11:03:41 PM PDT, Nick Thompson wrote: > >Since retirement, we Thompsons reset our clocks and just keep on living >as >we have been, doing things an hour earlier on the cl

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

On October 28, 2016 7:28:22 PM PDT, Owen Densmore wrote: >Sorry to be pedestrian, but how about the OP's desire to convert >thread(s) >into posts/correspondence? But that was my point in mentioning a tree threaded mail reader, especially an open source one. It should be a matter of straightfor

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

OK. I agree pretty much with what you say below. But that's more of a statement about the application of resources, not the efficacy of teams. Humans, being complex machines with diverse phenotypes are best applied to multifarious problems. As automation takes over tasks, the displaced humans sh

Re: [FRIAM] speaking of analytics

On September 10, 2016 9:45:40 PM PDT, Nick Thompson wrote: >I think it's the word "registration" that has me most confused. Can you help >a bit further? Registration is when a quality/feature coalesces or seems to emerge from the ambience ... when a structure appears amongst the structurel

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Re: Understanding you-folks

y, and credible. Is there room for gaming and misinformation in such systems? Can our ontological mesh lie to people? ... create idiot savants? ... be used to rig elections? If so, then it most assuredly _is_ a question of sufficient semantic grounding. -- glen ep ropella ⊥ 971-280-5699

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Re: Understanding you-folks

and whether that was the designated accept state. >> >> And tho a Turing Machine is more than a FSM, the vocabulary of states, >> input strings and so on should answer the OP. >> >> I'm not sure the additional ideas on computation were coherent enough

Re: [FRIAM] Understanding you-folks

to tell the user when the 'answer' is > available. The same Wikipedia article (linked) speaks to ongoing research > into their use. -- glen ep ropella ⊥ 971-280-5699 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv M

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Re: Understanding you-folks

were incorporated into some other function like g'. Likewise if there are m and m' for different milieu environments different behaviors could occur for h(m,s) or h(m',s).That being realized, it doesn't mean that f has any magical meaning. It can still b

[FRIAM] Fwd: Re: Understanding you-folks

Seems my other email address is jammed up ... made it to the archives, though. Forwarded Message Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Understanding you-folks Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 13:51:13 -0700 From: glen ☣ To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Well, we're in some rarefied

Re: [FRIAM] Understanding you-folks

means to compute the square root of 2. For example, >> you can program the Turing machine to enter an accept state if it finds a >> number (it can) whose square is within 10^-9 of 2. >> >> On 07/05/2016 06:25 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:> Tha

Re: [FRIAM] Strawson on consciousness.

book, I'll finally take a look. On 05/20/2016 10:52 AM, Robert Wall wrote: > Yikes! I hope I didn't just add to your spam! 😕 -- glen ep ropella ⊥ 971-280-5699 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:

Re: [FRIAM] Strawson on consciousness.

r basis, my normally cheery attitude turns negative. But with your recommendation (the 1st I've seen aside from the spam), I'll take a look. Thanks! -- glen ep ropella ⊥ 971-280-5699 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listser

Re: [FRIAM] Undark: Why Science Journalism Matters

Most definitely. That one's going into the RSS feed. 8^) On 03/17/2016 06:36 PM, Robert Wall wrote: Also, a welcomed introduction to the UnDark digital publication. I have it bookmarked. Carl Zimmer, Rebecca Skloot, David Corcoran ... nothing but good stuff. -- glen ep ropella -- 97

Re: [FRIAM] My Del seems kuput

road). Entry level NUC may suit your budget... -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/lis

Re: [FRIAM] Welding. Welding what? Wood?

I thought this might be interesting to some, here. On 10/30/2015 01:52 PM, Mark Morland wrote: Welding wood? WTF? https://youtu.be/X0k04hjdYuQ -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Meat

if your question is intended to invoke the deus ex machina, where _thought_ (esp. a single thought) is the causa prima for action, then absolutely NO. That never happens in me and I deny that it happens in you or anyone else. -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 ==

Re: [FRIAM] Hosting Service

use this as a way to toss hosted wordpress and media wiki and just use much simpler blog/wiki web services. -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John

Re: [FRIAM] What is WebAssembly? The Dawn of a New Era

ee how this is _fundamentally_ different from virtual machines and bytecode. -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http:/

Re: [FRIAM] Every browser sucks

both What out there doesn't suck? -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com

Re: [FRIAM] radiation from solar arrays

there anything that these arrays could be emitting? Or could the structure of the thing be “resonating” to something and amplifying it? -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:3

Re: [FRIAM] Blog+wiki?oO

manage photos and video Is there a system that has best of both? If so what's been peoples experiences -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St.

Re: [FRIAM] A PolyMath by any other name...

, might have similar implications. Though I suppose that the analogy might be better with the "skin biome"? Well, there is this: The human gut microbiome as a transporter of antibiotic resistance genes between continents http://aac.asm.org/content/early/2015/08/04/AAC.00933-15.abstract -- g

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: unikernels?

s can help with that, but obsessiveness is needed too. -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: unikernels?

cker's goal is to become that entity. In the case of devops and unikernel, that entity is the developer(s) who make(s) the changes to the VM. In traditional environments, the attacker might need to assume the privileges of several entities. -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 ===

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: unikernels?

e to downward causation. -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: unikernels?

al-lte3g-modems-can-be-hacked-to-help-malware-survive-os-reinstalls.html -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com

[FRIAM] unikernels?

x27;d feel even more out of touch than I already do. -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailma

[FRIAM] How brand-new words are spreading across America

http://qz.com/465820/how-brand-new-words-are-spreading-across-america/ -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-255-2847, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubs

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [alife] Conference Announcement - "Re-conceptualizing the Origin of Life", Abstract deadline is Aug. 1st

Speaking of ALife, will anyone else be at ECAL next week? On 07/16/2015 03:50 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: "Sara Walker" mailto:srw...@gmail.com>> > Date: Jul 16, 2015 3:48 PM > Subject: [alife] Conference Announcement - "Re-conceptualizing the Origi

Re: [FRIAM] speculative Q

nding schools through property taxes. So, it may not be so much that proprietary software pays to do that last 20% of work, so much as that nobody will pay for anything but the user-facing equipment. -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847

[FRIAM] 3D abms

Here's a video of a 3d model I did for a company that doesn't want me to talk about it. It's in MASON: https://youtu.be/1TjIe3EiM1o -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meet

Re: [FRIAM] My charity is more effective than your charity!

On 07/07/2015 07:06 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > OsiriX is good for MRIs (DICOM files). MIALite is a segmentation plugin for > it that works. Some of the OsiriX plugins have bitrot and crash the > browser. Give your GPU something [cough] useful to do other than [cough] > gaming.Don't kn

Re: [FRIAM] Greek Crisis & Philosophy

as a Growing Economy - Official http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150707/1024309291.html -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe

Re: [FRIAM] A New Society for the Study of Cultural Evolution

hink they'll get from coupling their inquiry to their advocacy. I guess if that's what they want, they can have it.As for the rest, whatever, I was just killing time until my tests came back. -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 ===

Re: [FRIAM] A New Society for the Study of Cultural Evolution

p to accuse them of bad faith or corruption right off the bat. If it were bad faith, their true objectives would not be as obvious as they've made them. -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listse

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: A New Society for the Study of Cultural Evolution

he easier it is to be tricked into thinking those analogs are ultimately accurate, so accurate that the idea is the real thing. The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tricked ... which means I'm completely safe. -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 ===

[FRIAM] A New Society for the Study of Cultural Evolution

the attention of your friends and associates! We aim to be inclusive and diverse. -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] where is the real threat?

On 06/26/2015 04:36 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > CBS or Comcast cover that, but also the evening news. In various situations > such conglomerates may find it in their interest to present information in > ways that benefit their bottom line, even to audiences that are above the > least common de

Re: [FRIAM] metaphor and talking across skill levels

On 03/10/2015 08:30 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Imagine that I am standing before you holding a flat object, such as a > notebook in my left hand, flat side to you. I hold a small object in my > right hand, let's say an art gum eraser, so that appears to you above and > behind the plain of notebook

[FRIAM] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

I don't understand that concept of "validator" at all. For glucose, you talk about multiple measures. It sounds like you're saying a more accurate measure is the validator for a less accurate measure. These are all concrete things: urine, blood, etc. But then you go on to say a conceptual noti

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Civil Statistician: “Statistical Modeling: The Two Cultures,” Breiman

Thanks Tom. This may prove useful for starting arguments at a meeting next week! The people we're meeting with are staunch data modelers, though perhaps not in quite the sense used here. They consistently hear our challenges as claims that their approaches are flawed, despite our rather lou

[FRIAM] IPViking live

http://map.ipviking.com/ http://www.norse-corp.com/blog-thursday-140320.html Today, we'd also like to announce the availability of a completely new and updated version of the Norse Live Attack Map. When we posted our first map back in late 2012, we did not really think much about it to be hon

Re: [FRIAM] Source Forge, inter alia

The best thing to do is run the software in a virtual machine, e.g. https://www.virtualbox.org/. Perhaps even run your web requests through a proxy server. http://www.publicproxyservers.com/ Depending on what you mean by "safe", this will help you isolate the thing until _you_ decide it's s

Re: [FRIAM] Gerald M. Edelman (1929-2014)

I found out he died after I returned from a long trip. But it turns out he died just 1 day prior to a conversation I was having with one of the researchers at the conference. I don't often get to talk about neural darwinism ... and never with anyone in the field of neuropsych. That researc

Re: [FRIAM] Telehack

On 04/30/2014 10:57 PM, Tom Carter wrote: rain . . . Ah, the joys of curses on a vt100 . . . :-) Not just rain! http://youtu.be/I83eVi6b3Rw Ahh, the irony of uploading a video of that to youtube. I feel like such a hipster. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-255-2847, http://tempusdictum.com =

Re: [FRIAM] The Amoeba's Secret

I'm definitely interested! Thanks for mentioning it. On 03/11/2014 02:26 PM, Russell Standish wrote: I thought the eclectic minds inhabiting this list might be interested in my latest project: "The Amoeba's Secret", a translation into English of Bruno Marchal's "Le Secret de l'Amibe", which is

[FRIAM] Is this irony?

The Availability of Research Data Declines Rapidly with Article Age http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2813%2901400-0 Copyright © 2014 Elsevier Ltd All rights reserved. Policies ensuring that research data are available on public archives are increasingly being implemente

Re: [FRIAM] Manifesto Project Database

On 12/13/2013 04:57 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote: A rather hackish proxy, but ngram

Re: [FRIAM] Corporate responsibility wrt health insurance

On 12/07/2013 08:31 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote: As a follow up: Mr Glen, are you considering a Kickstarter project? When you say "some cooperation's object..." . Is it "Holy shit! Health care is fucking expensive " , I just wanted to have (fill in the blank) While in a Kickstart phase? To be c

Re: [FRIAM] fluid - network - molecules (was PRISM/AP kerfluffle, etc)

;No relevance to the insufferable Zimmerman topic, in favor of the >Zimmermann history related to the other thread. (never mind) - -- glen ep ropella 971-255-2847 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: APG v1.0.8 iHIEAREIADIFAlHkzHUrHGdsZW4g

Re: [FRIAM] Tautologies and other forms of circular reasoning.

"Output" not a good word for that at all. We can go back to conclusion, in the sense of "the transformation has stopped". I'm OK with that. Nicholas Thompson wrote: >I have a terrible time with the word "state"; how about analytical >output? > >