Re: [FRIAM] Clocks

Jon - Great and timely framing of the meta-question. I've been reading David Abram's "Becoming Animal" which among many other things draws clear attention to the myriad ways that every organism is defined not just "socially" or even "nutriently" by it's complex embedding in an ecosystem or

Re: [FRIAM] Self-Consciousness, experience and metaphysics

Glen - All animalia have closed neural-sensorimotor loops and all life have chem-bio sensorimotor loops? So the "fusion" of which you speak, if we want to reserve "consciousness" for humans, human-familiars (pets, other domesticates, human-tolerant wild animals), charismatic animals (the

Re: [FRIAM] Back to the effing ineffable!

aith and his work.  He said, "Two different worlds." Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 9:04 AM steve smith wrote: EricS/DaveW Meanwhile, the program of living, including all its events

Re: [FRIAM] New Mexican's Sunday's story on education proficiency

REC - well found and well quoted... blink blink.  I would try to expand/expound but would surely just stir the mud I've already raised in this already murky pond... tx,  - SAS This was kind of enlightening, too, on hackernews yesterday, in the vein of 'Dude, what happened to liberalism?'

[FRIAM] Back to the effing ineffable!

EricS/DaveW Meanwhile, the program of living, including all its events of choosing, is not contained within the formal system.  Alongside the formal system, the program of living as it is realized is yet-another thing in the world, of a different kind. This is downright poetic. It echoes

Re: [FRIAM] New Mexican's Sunday's story on education proficiency

Numbers are real things. The more one explores them, the more experiences one has of them, the more confidently one comes to rely on them. automatic cash registers (and calculators to some extent) reduced numbers to numerals (or in some cases mere signifiers?) so it any wonder that people

Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV.

Dave - I do have lots of stories about self-awareness in a variety of contexts. All of them lead to the conclusion that, "I" am NOT /"one of those that others are." (obviously there is some marginal overlap)/ Of course this is based entirely on what 'others' are willing/able to publicly

Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV.

Nick - I think I tried to help you arrange to scan/OCR "Wild Animals I have Known" as much as a decade ago? I'm guessing his work had a significant effect on you and perhaps in leading you to your profession/career? I encountered Seton's "Wild Animals I have Known"  in my grade-school

Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV.

any as 4-5 times), then 'staring' at me.  Jackson does something similar, but he will also utter a small bark/yip while staring. davew On Tue, Jul 16, 2024, at 11:59 AM, steve smith wrote: > Nick - >> I must say, I am grateful and please

Re: [FRIAM] Dialogues with George IV: 1

In Clear Text for those who don't have MS Word in their lives... /ME:// // //My grandchild, who is 17, asks me to explain why I sometimes laugh when they say something especially wise, smart, and/or insightful. I know that it's generally not polite to laugh at people when they are not telling

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

so maybe not This is one of the best parts of FriAM IMO, the broad multi-cultural embedding in spite of a somewhat white-male-techno-professional substrate.  Thanks for the update... Follow up question... do you have (adult) children, and how does all this settle with/for them? - Steve Gary

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

glen sed: ...   I accidentally let it slip that I started my professional career developing cluster bombs for the Army. I got more than one side eye. >8^D Of course, I switched to defensive weapons at some point ... because ... well ... of course. I came to LANL (LASL) 9 years before the

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

As things slide off toward more and more (probability of and depth of) authoriatarian intolerance I find myself trying to reign my self back in to the question of what to do with my offense and real concern for the nation (and world):  I do I prepare to be a Schindler

Re: [FRIAM] Joscha Bach claims Microsoft sentient but not conscious

On 7/16/24 4:29 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: A bit paradox: consciousness and language enable us to leave the bubble of nowness in which animals live I like this, reminded that the bubble of nowness and hereness (and thusness of our umwelt?), is transcended and transferable via language. I

Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance

As the whitelash thing works itself out over the next few decades, I listened to JD Vance's interviews when he was first on his "Hillbilly Elegy" booktour back whenever (2015?) and was hopeful for him.   I thought he was bringing some type of visibility and healthy response to the

Re: [FRIAM] Joscha Bach claims Microsoft sentient but not conscious

My litany of examples of entities in my life all share the fact of "living in a bubble of nowness".   The fact that those bubbles overlap to different degrees seems to contribute to our "mutual" apprehension of one another's consciousness (not symmetric). The non-animal entities at the best

Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV.

Nick - I must say, I am grateful and pleased by all these testimonials and I am beginning to sense method in my madness. I'm glad you were willing able to wade through my gallop of observations/reflections/experiences with these two highly central creatures in my household. I notice you are

Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV.

Hank my dog (with whom I have a loving relationship but who loves and is loved my Mary) barks at the TV when a barking sound emanates from it.  If he sees a dog-figure cavorting on the screen he barks more vigorously even if the barking sounds ceases.  If he sees *any* animal like figure on

Re: [FRIAM] Is consciousness a mystery? (used to be "mystery...deeper".T

f a quark or a brane or a string-loop or some abstract monad?  B) if yes, what are the implications of this?  or C) why does quantizing "conscioiusness" into "humans like me" and "every other bit of life" feel necessary, useful or appealing?_  Steve Steve NIc

Re: [FRIAM] Is consciousness a mystery? (used to be "mystery...deeper".T

Nick - I'm glad you acknowledged (in another branch of this thread?) the "grumpiness" aspect of your initiation/participation in this thread.  Your analogy around thought/feeling "expression" and that of pimple popping is in fact very apt if a bit graphic.  I do think many of us want this

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

t come upon me,but he demurs politely when I invite him to dinner.  Friam has been spared much of my madness because of George. Nick On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 12:53 PM steve smith wrote: Sabine H.   snarked this at me... and I responded by trying to read through t

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

I find this nicely referential to Jeff Hawkins (Palm Pilot, Redwood) SensoriMotor learning based in his (poorly named?) 1000 Brains theory and his (new to me) concept/project of applying those Neurological Models of the NeoCortex to developing AI. https://spectrum.ieee.org/jeff-hawkins On

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

Sabine H. snarked this at me... and I responded by trying to read through the AI hype sprinkled with Quantum Dust...  I think it is (obliquely?) relevant to our Consciousness Maunderings here. QUALL-E, a quantum computer running a human-level artificial intelligence algorithm, who has

Re: [FRIAM] An Open Letter to Joe Biden

Nick - Aw, Steve .   Get those hips done!  I waited to long to do mine. I'm pretty sure (applying the principle of worst-case scenarios) once the first order challenges (hips) relieve I will discover all the second order challenges (knees, ankles, lower back, etc.) the hip pain (and my

Re: [FRIAM] An Open Letter to Joe Biden

Nick - God, Steve, am I 20 years older than you  But you're so OLD1 I know man. I have an 83 year old buddy who I share a huge number of strange coincidences with, but once we get into the "good old days" I find that I often wasn't born when he was already carousing hard.   His first

Re: [FRIAM] An Open Letter to Joe Biden

Nick - Your Magellanic voyage from desk to couch reminds me too much of my own these days with nearly 20 years between us.  Each time you make that journey without scaring yourself or anyone else you are my hero once again. I could not find flaw in your eloquent Open Letter and speaks more

[FRIAM] Lex hand-carries softballs to Ivanka to hit from his hand...

Glen can say "I told you so, why don't you listen more carefully?" now. I have *mostly* referenced Fridman here in terms of podcast/interviews I have watched and offer as a positive experience. I am skipping my way through his (today's?) interview with Ivanka T-K and find it informative but

Re: [FRIAM] [un]official disambiguation?

Eric - Roberts is the one I have to work harder to find words for. Not because it is hard to know what I think of him, but because it is hard to put the right terms together. It’s a kind of blandly presented disingenuousness, but so over-the-top disingenuous that that is where I run out of

Re: [FRIAM] [un]official disambiguation?

Thanks. That makes it clearer. I had written, in response to Steve, a whole diatribe on the convexity of the space (or lack thereof) and how the space-filling curve of our laws and distributed court and executive system constrains the space of outcomes ... totally without any kind of

Re: [FRIAM] [un]official disambiguation?

A little nitpickery (disambiguation?) of my own, larded and marbled in: The MAGAs aren't the wealthy, they are envious of the wealthy. DJT included. Yes, MAGAs are not wealthy except relatively as we all are... but I think there is a skew there... the truly wealthy backing MAGA are in fact

Re: [FRIAM] Debate and Election

 Marcus wrote: Right-wing authoritarianism seems to be about 25-30% of the population in the United States. And if only 67% of the "eligible" voters vote, and "all" of the authoritarians register and vote for the Fascist then the remainder voters remains order >37% of population which

[FRIAM] Debate and Election

While I'm on a roll (see [un]official disambiguation thread): I gurgitated: Phellow Phriamers - Here are my anti-Trump ideations grounded in the SCrOTUS decision of the day: Warning, vivid imagery which may induce */limbic chaos/*!

Re: [FRIAM] [un]official disambiguation?

Phellow Phriamers - Here are my anti-Trump ideations grounded in the SCrOTUS decision of the day: Warning, vivid imagery which may induce */limbic chaos/*! President Joe Biden writes the following (official act)

[FRIAM] the world is watching us...

What are our Non-USA members hearing/thinking after last night's debate/debacle? I felt that Biden's Rally today was something necessary for him (and Jill and the DNC) to do to demonstrate that last night was some kind of anomaly, but it doesn't erase it, just cleanses the palate a little

[FRIAM] Ruidoso/Mescalero Fire relief

As many of you are aware (especially locals and Jochen who mentioned them recently), the Ruidoso/Mescalero area in NM has been burning down over the last week, and now as the fire threat is subsiding, the rain that is helping quell that is now yielding flood threats and damage.

Re: [FRIAM] "Weather line" on 14

And another regional example of interest: https://spanishpeakscountry.com/the-great-dikes/ The text suggests "igneous intrusions into sandstone" and "sandstone eroded away to expose the igneous intrusions". I'm familiar with igneous "plugs" such as my nearby Black Mesa and the famous

Re: [FRIAM] "Weather line" on 14

As I think I remember it, I think the opening scenes to Tom Hanks "News of the World" were shot in that vicinity... minor aside is that the "wagon trail" he was on looked like a 2 track modern-vehicle road... wear patterns/stance appropriate to a pickup truck not a 19 century wagon trail. On

Re: [FRIAM] Haboob in southern NM / Mexico

formation) arcing?   The system apparently recovered very quickly which is unusual in our poorly maintained COOP.    The Cerro Grande fire was triggered by a (windfall?) downed powerline as I remember it. On 6/20/24 9:21 AM, steve smith wrote: does the NWS/etc even have an entry in their warning

Re: [FRIAM] Haboob in southern NM / Mexico

does the NWS/etc even have an entry in their warning system for "haboob"? I'm not that clear on the difference from RECs "derecho"...  GPTs differentiation wasn't particularly helpful in this case. Wikipedia's entries were a little more helpful with a suggestion that the derecho is driven

Re: [FRIAM] new directions at the michael levin lab

es are "disgusting".  I hope many others in their generation feel differently. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Jun 16, 2024, 12:59 PM steve smith wrote: This is all so apropos of my quest to

Re: [FRIAM] Democracy at work

Pieter - Congratulations on what sounds like a win from your perspective... we sure haven't exhibited much grace lately.   I felt like Gore (2000) and Hillary 2016), despite fighting for transparency and fairness backed out/down pretty gracefully pretty quickly... absolutely not so in 2020

Re: [FRIAM] new directions at the michael levin lab

This is all so apropos of my quest to provide "elder advice" to my children (40-somethings), nieces/nephews (30-somethings), and grandchildren (5, 12)... I know (most) everything I experienced/learned a half-century ago is only marginally relevant as most of what my parents/grandparents tried

Re: [FRIAM] Addiction and depression

od giants exploit our reward system for their profits in the same way that despotic rules exploit our emotions to stay in power, for instance by promising protection against an imagined threat ("The country is not safe! I will make it safe" as Judson Brewer writes in the epilogue of

Re: [FRIAM] Addiction and depression

I'm probably behind the times with pop-lingo but I was caught by a new (to me) phrase of "limbic hijack". I'm left wondering what the adaptive value of this (apparent) exaptation is?   My interests have been focused about the competition between individual (human) organismal adaptation and

Re: [FRIAM] Fridman V Rogan (V Rutt), Tolerance and Charitability

On 6/14/24 7:37 PM, steve smith wrote: ericS> Russell Brand, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Brand I am put in mind of Joaquin Phoenix’s style of preening as Joker in whichever batman movie it was. I remember when Dennis Miller was a comedic darling of the left until after 9-1

Re: [FRIAM] Fridman V Rogan (V Rutt), Tolerance and Charitability

ericS> Russell Brand, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Brand I am put in mind of Joaquin Phoenix’s style of preening as Joker in whichever batman movie it was. I remember when Dennis Miller was a comedic darling of the left until after 9-11 when he seemed to do a full 180...  and

Re: [FRIAM] Fridman V Rogan (V Rutt), Tolerance and Charitability

Glen wrote: a bit like the paradox of tolerance . Thanks for this reference... it reminds me of a few other similar ones involving unintended and counter-intuitive outcomes: Jevons Paradox: as technological improvements increase the

[FRIAM] Fridman V Rogan (V Rutt), Tolerance and Charitability

glen wrote: Sure, as EricS points out, Fridman's cohort may have more credible members than Rogan's cohort ... or maybe not. But it brings up the great exploration v exploitation dilemma ... a bit like the paradox of tolerance . I don't

[FRIAM] Perplexity Pages as morph of Search (e.g. Google), Generative Text (e.g. GPT) and crowd sourced Encyclopedia (Wikipedia)

anyone tracked/investigated this? https://www.perplexity.ai/ https://generativeai.pub/perplexity-introduces-pages-the-most-powerful-ai-article-generator-0e8c522e091b -. --- - /

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

Marcus wrote: The double slit experiment demonstrates what appears to be nondeterminism, but that hasn't prevented development of an accurate model of the phenomena that deterministic computers can simulate. I don't have to believe a deterministic interpretation of the double slit

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

Steve writes: < She starts out with simple Materialist/Vitalist contrasts but alludes (nearly) to Marcus latest snark: /"//Simulate from first principles: https://www.vasp.at/ >/ What’s odd is this idea there is something about nature that can’t be described in a repeatable

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

ent natural language in a symbolic way.  Evolutionary algorithms run on digital computers and large language models that encode and interpolate metaphors. *From:*Friam *On Behalf Of *steve smith *Sent:* Thursday, June 13, 2024 12:42 PM *To:* friam@redfish.com *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexit

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

In a similar vein: https://xkcd.com/2945/ -- rec -- Russel Munroe is so prolific and self-documenting, I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't (somewhere) documented/attributed the myriad influences: Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog On Thu, Jun

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

Up to some strong interpretations of QM "physics is deterministic but not pre-stateable" is the ground I usually stand on.   I don't need to invoke non-determinism to believe in open-ended complexity...   combinatoric (roughly factorial) arithmetic overwhhelms counting, additive,

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

I find that Michael Levin speaks elaborately and eloquently on the code/environment duality in many interesting contexts: https://drmichaellevin.org/ On 6/12/24 4:30 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: Emergence as a kind of “software in the natural world"? If we mean code by it, then yes,

Re: [FRIAM] new math of complexity

Speaking of emergence, any takes on Phillip Ball's article in Quanta? https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-new-math-of-how-large-scale-order-emerges-20240610/ I really liked his summary of the current non-explanations for emergence, but I haven't had time to read further. -- rec -- As a

Re: [FRIAM] Unpleasant dreams

On 6/4/24 2:06 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Decorticate animals may writhe and pass and even groan.  Are they dreaming? Nick Thompson, meet my bar friend Galen Preston Tracyk the 4th...  he/she/they are a bar friend who is always happy to speculate with me about just about anything.   I

Re: [FRIAM] Unpleasant dreams

'I might restate Rvonsuo as "dreams help us find the nooks and crannies in the hull of constraints presented to us by reality - the edge cases' This aligns with my experiences, observations, mildly founded beliefs.   Game theory experts here might be able to add something about the

Re: [FRIAM] Unpleasant dreams

my dream life has been pretty elaborate from time to time and most of it is not particularly unpleasant, but when I have had unpleasant dreams they roughly fall into two categories:   1) worrying the future; 2) worrying the past. Mine are biased toward "frustration" over "fear". 

Re: [FRIAM] Nick: Los Alamos Skywarn Meeting thurs at 2p

Nick, I bet you could make a friend at this meeting. I can drive. https://www.losalamosnm.us/News-articles/County-invites-community-to-become-Skywarn-Storm-Spotters We might be able to stop by Steve Smith's place for cookies and scotch on the way back down :-) Rye Whiskey (and wild, wild

Re: [FRIAM] rip Dennett

ough that we can harvest what we want, cafeteria style, and leave the rest to disappear into the amnesiac void. We neither need nor want a *complete* understanding of anyone or any thing. On 4/24/24 20:26, Steve Smith wrote: I am lead by Glen's response to think of Orson Scott Card's "

Re: [FRIAM] rip Dennett

I am lead by Glen's response to think of Orson Scott Card's "Speaker for the Dead" In Orson Scott Card's "Speaker for the Dead," the main and titular theme revolves around understanding and compassion through the truthful telling of

Re: [FRIAM] How the mind works

I don't know about the rest of you but mine is more like a Pachinko Machine... So is the human mind similar to Quantum Mechnics or does it resemble a nuclear reactor? -J. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40038352 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamiltonian_(quantum_mechanics)

Re: [FRIAM] Comparing negative numbers

Nick - If your model is that the the instability of the cat-cat-food situation is positively (and nominally linearly) correlated with the distance between them (more likely inversely, but that is a separate issue) then the absolute value is a very reasonable way of removing any implied

Re: [FRIAM] A hundred words for swindle

snow, what of ancient Mediterranean cultures maybe having none for "blue" (because it is so ubiquitous as to be invisible)?  Or 99 names of God (Allah version)? On 3/31/24 12:40, Steve Smith wrote:     ... even the less savory ( to my pinko-liberal palate) of the high bench (Thomas/A

Re: [FRIAM] A hundred words for swindle

DC (even if he is a Judge not Exec or Legislator)? He managed a very positive tone/affect resisting Welker in spite of her pressing him hard on many things we all might want to hear his opinion on. - SASfrass On 3/31/24 12:42 PM, Steve Smith wrote: /Sucker born every minute?/ /Fool me

Re: [FRIAM] A hundred words for swindle

/Sucker born every minute?/ /Fool me twice, shame on me? / Talking with John Zingale at Friam about conniving chatbots, I remembered this essay from 2009, https://elf.org/etc/swindle.html, which starts from real estate speculators in early US history and gets to the deplorable state of the

Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity

REC sed: but the "dark side" of the moon is sunlit for half of every month? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowpiercer On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 11:33 AM glen wrote: Bandwidth might be a problem. But the dark side of the moon seems like an option ... assuming you can negotiate with

Re: [FRIAM] Check this out – Frank Wimberly wearing cowboy gear - Image Creator from Microsoft Designer

Generative AI Fail Frank Wimberly wearing cowboy gear - Image Creator from Microsoft Designer https://www.bing.com/images/create/frank-wimberly-wearing-cowboy-gear/1-6605a819dcb347688e82f0733270bae3?FORM=GENCRE 1. Wimberly Unchained! 2. Frank Longmire? 3. Wimberly Down Under... 4. McWimberly

Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity

/Heat Death by Computation/ Geoffrey Hinton (who left Google in May 2023 so he could speak more freely/agenda-less-ish?) gives good lecture on the topic of the differences between wetware/analog (i.e. Human Cortex) computation (for intelligence/consciousness) and silicon/digital and why human

Re: [FRIAM] the inequities of uniquity

n wrong; they're nonsense. "Unusual" implies a usual. And a usual implies a perspective ... a mechanism of action for your sampling technique. So "unusual" presents even more of a linguistic *burden* than "unique". >> >>

[FRIAM] the inequities of uniquity

On 3/20/24 12:54 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: Everyday as I am listening to CNN I say, "There are no degrees of uniqueness," multiple times. I'm hung up on the usage of qualified  "uniqueness"  as well, but in perhaps the opposite sense. I agree with the premise that "unique" in it's purest,

Re: [FRIAM] Sleep trackers

* Nick - * I don't know the specifics of your sleep difficulties but  I have always been interested in sleep and perhaps dreaming even moreso... * The following "Great Course" I listened to from Audible a few months ago was really fascinating and covered the whole territory from

Re: [FRIAM] Biospheres

ht-wingers (or gun nuts if there is a difference that makes a difference?) howl to "lock him up" while howling that nobody-nowhere should anytime-anywhere be prosecuted or even looked at askance at for "popping a cap" in anyone in the "wrong-place/wrong-time" On 3/1/2

Re: [FRIAM] Biospheres

I think you're thinking of Flynn's brother, Morris  ;-p I see what you did there... (not) Errol Flynn but (not) Morris Flynn either => Errol Morris -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group

Re: [FRIAM] Biospheres

SG... so succinct with sufficient but not excess tangents, I bow to you! And then I tangent again.  Your reference to Bannon's "help" with Biosphere I (aka earth/gaia/mother-earth) reminds me to offer up: American Dharma a documentary by Errol Flynn

Re: [FRIAM] Biospheres

e the ocean is possible. The answer would have been yes, but not for fish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_rover -J. Original message From: Steve Smith Date: 3/1/24 7:26 PM (GMT+01:00) To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Biospheres Thanks for this prompt.  I r

Re: [FRIAM] Biospheres

J - Thanks for this prompt.  I recently tripped over: https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/martians-wanted-nasa-opens-call-for-simulated-yearlong-mars-mission/ and was reminded of my maunderings when Musk first stated his aspirations for Mars colonization acutely or eloquently enough to

Re: [FRIAM] The lies of Trump and ecDNA

Eric - excellent analysis (as usual)... I approve of the attempts to pull Trump off of the ballots, but that is not to say i think succeeding at the effort is the ideal outcome.  Even though it feeds the "politically motivated" gripe, it is a good nationwide reminder that his acts could very

[FRIAM] Generative AI Images and 'stylization'

glen wrote: I'm fond of eyeball attempts to determine whether images are from generative AI. Your 1st one definitely looks like it. The 2nd one, I can't tell. (It's cheating to look at the alt description or the filename.) I'm far from an expert but I have spent a bit of time generating

Re: [FRIAM] Policy Modeling

an get, and most of us could care less until the bucket of gold-goo-excrement lands in our neighborhood or the gold-goo pseudopod feeding our investments dries up. On 1/28/24 16:55, Frank Wimberly wrote: One of my father-in-law's best friends was a man named Eli Shapiro who was the Al

Re: [FRIAM] Honeymoon over!

agnose and correct errors.  More generally, LLMs cannot formulate, apply, or correct strategies or heuristics. In short, LLMs are not a step away from Artificial General Intelligence. A pdf of the full abstract is attached. _ _ __-- Russ On Sun, Jan 28,

Re: [FRIAM] Slow AI

>Though these were all experienced and confident men, the average year to year correlation in their results was 0.01.  The highly rewarded experts of finance have no real idea what they're doing, they are highly rewarded for an "illusion of skill"< One of my father-in-law's best friends was

Re: [FRIAM] Slow AI

f collateralized debt instruments. -- rec -- On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 11:03 AM Steve Smith wrote: https://doctorow.medium.com/solar-is-a-market-for-financial-lemons-ea00699fe0a2 <https://doctorow.medium.com/solar-is-a-market-for-financial-lemons-ea00699fe

Re: [FRIAM] Bad news about the climate

On 1/27/24 10:25 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: People are rightly livid with the gas and electric utilities here in California, but the state is doing better than other states on renewables.  More than half the grid is solar during the day.  Large installations of batteries are in use and

Re: [FRIAM] Bad news about the climate

I love me a good dose of Sabine... her flat-delivery of equally serious and glib lines is killer IMO... and for the most part I feel compelled to defer to her facts and analyses (almost) without reserve. (/around 13:30 she said "so mind-f#%#%ingly stupid" /). I'm surprised she didn't actually

Re: [FRIAM] Please join Zoom meeting in progress Virtual Friam

Nick - Do you know if they do the ones on the left anti-chiral to those on the right like high-torque machinery and heavy truck lugs (don't ask me how I know this, only that I've broken a few wrenches with cheater bars from forgetting it). That close to the brain, you would think they would

Re: [FRIAM] Honeymoon over!

And if you're interested, my long abstract submission to IACAP-2024 has related thoughts. (Scroll down until you get to the link for the actual paper.) Russ - I am interested in reading your abstract/paper..._ _ I signed

[FRIAM] Slow AI

https://doctorow.medium.com/solar-is-a-market-for-financial-lemons-ea00699fe0a2 I suspect the opinions among the members of this list range widely on Doctorow's work, my general response to him is a guarded

Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

On 1/26/24 4:18 PM, glen wrote: You're probably more competent at parsing it than I am, which is why I said "enjoyed" rather than some other stronger description of my reaction. But when you say "plain language" and "common sense", I blanch a bit. I thought they were talking about things like

Re: [FRIAM] "SSRN-id3978095.pdf" was shared with you

This was stuck in my mailtool, waiting for me to complete a closing sentence and hit send... On 1/22/24 12:46 PM, glen wrote: Words matter: how ecologists discuss managed and non-managed bees and birds https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11192-022-04620-2 Words do matter, acutely in

Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

On 1/26/24 3:13 PM, glen wrote: I enjoyed this brief assessment of subjective probability/plausibility: https://home.snafu.de/erich/ibe_2023.pdf And I kindasortamaybe agree with their conclusion in favor of "convergence": "Convergence: Traditional epistemic values can over time yield

Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

On 1/26/24 12:35 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: We don’t have the same molecular composition from identical histories, so there is no reason to think we’d all *react* the same way. is that technically *act* or *re-act*?   Like my pachinko analogy, it is all *re*action, all the way down... no

Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

ace patting myself on the back again. What matters is the *scope*, not some penultimate reduction to some Grand Unified Theory/Philosophy of the world. Nobody can say anything coherent without mentioning the scope of whatever it was they said ... the language within which they said it, etc. On 1/

Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

The person that knows their path is bound, rationally discards the self-regulation of guilt, and in that sense has more “freedom”. Yah... that's kinda the vibe I get from DT, Bannon, Stone, Miller and many of the Jan 6 crowd. I have a thing with the triad of Blame/Shame/Guilt   I think

Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

good to hear your "voice",  DaveW! Finally, the ideal of "non-attached" action and the omniscience that comes with achievement of Satori allows one to consciously and intentionally take the "correct," non karma accruing, action at every moment seems like the ultimate 'free will' in the sense

[FRIAM] Honeymoon over!

GPT is dead, long live LLMs! The following is a pretty good (IMO)  reflection on what GPT is bad (and good) for. https://medium.com/@jordan_gibbs/how-to-not-use-chatgpt-8088ec559681 I've been messing with GPT3/4 and Bard for most of a year now and the honeymoon is definitely over, not that

Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

On 1/25/24 13:34, Jochen Fromm wrote: Could you say that a strong character or personality reduce our free will too, because they restrict our choices and decisions? On 1/26/24 8:18 AM, glen wrote: Absolutely. If we parse out what character or personality means, we might come to the idea

Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

Does ChatGPT have choices? I "can't help myself", so here goes: And in the spirit of recursion, I fed my text to both GPT-4 and Bard asking for a "concise summary" Bard: "I'm just a language model,so I can't help you with that." and GPT: "The text is a contemplative reflection on

Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

Does ChatGPT have choices? I "can't help myself", so here goes: I've been reading Sopolsky's "Behave" which paves the runway (or exit ramp) for his recent "Determined".  His deep background in neuroendocrinology leads to some very compelling arguments which pretty much degenerate to:

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