Hi,
Yep I agreed, it seems several IPMC members are are not in favours of this
change, so it stays.
Thanks,
Justin
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> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Drop requirement that ASF members can join IPMC by
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: Re: [DISCUSS] Drop requirement that ASF members can join IPMC by just
asking
Von: Julian Hyde
An: general@incubator.apache.org
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I agree with a lot of Dave Fisher's points.
Some mentors will fail. Let's not waste effort trying to 'vet' them
beforehand; it's time-consuming and counter-productive
I agree with a lot of Dave Fisher's points.
Some mentors will fail. Let's not waste effort trying to 'vet' them
beforehand; it's time-consuming and counter-productive. Let's instead
make it easier to detect when mentors fail (I think the "Have your
mentors been helpful?" question on podling
I founded some apache project and graduated to TLP, and also keep
contributing to some other apache projects but almost in code, wonder to
know how to volunteer as IPMC to help some incubator projects graduate in
Apache way.
Hao Chen
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:43 AM Dave Fisher wrote:
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> On Aug 13, 2019, at 2:39 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
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> HI,
>
> I think there's a couple of misconceptions in this thread. First off
> currently you can join the IPMC two ways by being an ASF member and asking to
> join, the other by being voted in. On average the
HI,
I think there's a couple of misconceptions in this thread. First off currently
you can join the IPMC two ways by being an ASF member and asking to join, the
other by being voted in. On average the people being voted in tend to not go
missing, review releases and sign off board reports more
I agree,
I think that the "requirement" (Never really knew there was such a requirement)
of being a Member sort of gives you the easy entry path as if you are a member
people expect you to understand the Apache Way.
However that doesn't mean that people not being a member don't get the Apache
Hi,
I'm a new IPMC Member (no foundation member) and come from a PLC4X which has
graduated months ago.
I already started to help other Podlings a bit.
And I agree with Dave in the sense that we should seek our way not in
locking-out people but in finding ways to draw in more people.
It was
Yep, that is definitely a good one. I joined their mailing list a couple of
weeks ago and have been chatting with Lee on it, after he mentioned on the
Druid list that he could use some help.
(Apologies for the digression btw)
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:10 PM Julian Hyde wrote:
> Thanks, Gian. I
+1 , we need a binding process to let the member know better about the
Incubating.
For me, even I attend serval Apache projects before I start mentoring
incubating project, there are still lot of thing I need to learn.
Willem Jiang
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On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:26 PM Justin Mclean
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > I will also note that if the IPMC switches to *voting* Members into the
> > IPMC, that the Apache Member will be observing that vote take place on
> > private@ through a subscription (they can reply!) or via the archives. …
>
>
I posted the following in a private@ thread:
Traditionally ASF membership + expressed interest has been the main path to the
IPMC. Honestly, I think “someone who has significantly helped a project
navigate incubation through to successful graduation” holds at least as much
merit as ASF
> On Aug 12, 2019, at 4:29 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:26 PM Justin Mclean
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>> I will also note that if the IPMC switches to *voting* Members into the
>>> IPMC, that the Apache Member will be observing that vote take place on
>>> private@
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:26 PM Justin Mclean
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > I will also note that if the IPMC switches to *voting* Members into the
> > IPMC, that the Apache Member will be observing that vote take place on
> > private@ through a subscription (they can reply!) or via the archives. …
>
>
I don’t understand how obstructing people from becoming mentors is going to
increase their involvement. In the unlikely event that I got interested enough
in an incoming project to want to mentor it, no matter what rules are in place,
my doing so depends on my commitment to actually mentoring.
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 23:35, Justin Mclean wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> > Is there a problem we are trying to solve or is this just a concern that
> > it might become a problem as we scale?
>
> It’s already a problem. I suggest you look at the missing mentors / mentors
> who don’t sign off report and
Hi,
> Is there a problem we are trying to solve or is this just a concern that
> it might become a problem as we scale?
It’s already a problem. I suggest you look at the missing mentors / mentors who
don’t sign off report and look at how they were appointed. I can post the stats
if you want,
Hi,
> I will also note that if the IPMC switches to *voting* Members into the
> IPMC, that the Apache Member will be observing that vote take place on
> private@ through a subscription (they can reply!) or via the archives. …
Which is also the same for any project who votes in a ASF member as a
On 8/12/2019 5:28 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> I'm -0 on removal of the precedent.
Is there a problem we are trying to solve or is this just a concern that
it might become a problem as we scale?
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On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:04 AM Justin Mclean
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Current any ASF member can come along and ask to join the IPMC. I assume
> this was put in place for two reasons: ( but don’t know the full history
> behind it)
> - There was a lack of mentors.
> - Is is assumed that if you are an
Thanks, Gian. I bet you’re familiar with DataSketches (as it has
ancestry/people in common with Druid) and I recall that recently they needed
more mentors.
> On Aug 12, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Gian Merlino wrote:
>
> One more voice here: I'm not an ASF member, but I'd be interested in
> mentoring
One more voice here: I'm not an ASF member, but I'd be interested in
mentoring other podlings after Druid graduates. Julian has been very
helpful to us while we've been incubating and I'd like to pay it forward.
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:12 AM Julian Hyde wrote:
> I don’t have a strong opinion
I don’t have a strong opinion on the subject of this thread - whether it should
be easy for ASF members to join the IPMC - but I have a strong opinion about a
related matter - namely, how easy it should be for non-ASF members to join the
IPMC.
The IPMC should be actively recruiting members of
Hi
My Apache journey started at Incubator, and as IPMC now(not asf member). I
noticed this requirement too.
>From the members I known personally, most indeed know Apache way very well.
And truely there is exception.
Basically, I think removing this makes sense.
1. if this member has been
Hi,
Current any ASF member can come along and ask to join the IPMC. I assume this
was put in place for two reasons: ( but don’t know the full history behind it)
- There was a lack of mentors.
- Is is assumed that if you are an ASF member you know enough about the Apache
Way to mentor a project.
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