+1 (binding)
Hadrian
On 11/17/2011 05:42 AM, Marcel Offermans wrote:
In my opinion, ACE is ready to begin the process of graduating from the Apache
Incubator to a Top Level Project.
Since joining the incubator in in May 2009 we've added 4 new committers (12 in
total now) from diverse
It's time to call the vote on the community graduation vote for ACE. The
results:
+1: Bertrand Delacretaz (***), Karl Pauls (***), Carsten Ziegeler (***), Felix
Meschberger (**), Toni Menzel, Brian Topping, Clement Escoffier (**), Angelo
van der Sijpt, mvangeert...@comcast.net, Alexander
On 21 November 2011 01:56, ant elder antel...@apache.org wrote:
That seems an unusual approach to building the src. It also means that
to build the complete 0.8.0 release which contains 60 something
modules would require manually typing in over 400 commands which is
not very practical, i doubt
+1 (non-binding).
It would be great to see Ace as a top level project.
Best regards,
David Bosschaert
On 19 November 2011 01:33, Julien Vermillard jvermill...@gmail.com wrote:
+1 binding
On Friday, November 18, 2011, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
+1 binding
Regards,
Alan
+1
binding ...
Cheers,
Alex
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:07 PM, dav...@apache.org wrote:
+1 (non-binding).
It would be great to see Ace as a top level project.
Best regards,
David Bosschaert
On 19 November 2011 01:33, Julien Vermillard jvermill...@gmail.com
wrote:
+1 binding
On
Well, I agree and disagree at the same time :-).
On the one hand (as pointed out by Guillaume Nodet), we should have
generated the source distribution for each bundle. We switched to a
newer parent pom and did miss that we should have configured that.
This makes it not very practical to build the
Well IMHO i don't think this release demonstrates that the poddling
has an understanding of making or reviewing ASF releases and thats the
point of requiring releases during incubation.
The comment from Guillaume in this thread was just about naming the
SVN folder containing the tags releases
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:08 PM, ant elder antel...@apache.org wrote:
Well IMHO i don't think this release demonstrates that the poddling
has an understanding of making or reviewing ASF releases and thats the
point of requiring releases during incubation.
So you want us to do a new release?
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:08 PM, ant elder antel...@apache.org wrote:
Well IMHO i don't think this release demonstrates that the poddling
has an understanding of making or reviewing ASF releases and thats the
point of
On 21 November 2011 14:41, ant elder antel...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:08 PM, ant elder antel...@apache.org wrote:
Well IMHO i don't think this release demonstrates that the poddling
has an understanding
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Richard S. Hall he...@ungoverned.org wrote:
On 11/21/11 09:41 , ant elder wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Karl Paulskarlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:08 PM, ant elderantel...@apache.org wrote:
Well IMHO i don't think this release
On 11/21/11 10:11 , ant elder wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Richard S. Hallhe...@ungoverned.org wrote:
On 11/21/11 09:41 , ant elder wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Karl Paulskarlpa...@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:08 PM, ant elderantel...@apache.org
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:11 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Richard S. Hall he...@ungoverned.org wrote:
On 11/21/11 09:41 , ant elder wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Karl Paulskarlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:08 PM, ant
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:11 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Richard S. Hall he...@ungoverned.org
wrote:
On 11/21/11 09:41 , ant elder wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM,
Karasulu akaras...@apache.org
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:11 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com
21, 2011 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:11 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Richard S. Hall he...@ungoverned.org
wrote
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general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:44 AM
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Hard to build isn't
.
regards,
Karl
From: Alex Karasulu akaras...@apache.org
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote
: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator
Hard to build isn't a blocking criterion
for a release; so long as the artifacts can
be built from the distributed source files
using a repeatable and documented process you
are ok in my book. Downloading a pom from
an ASF mirror or from maven central
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On 21 November 2011 15:48, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
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I still think that the release is a proper release - as Karl explained
we could have done better source releases per module etc., but there
is nothing fundamentally wrong.
I don't think that these issues should block the project from graduation either.
Carsten
--
Carsten Ziegeler
+1
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:42, Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl
wrote:
In my opinion, ACE is ready to begin the process of graduating from the
Apache Incubator to a Top Level Project.
Since joining the incubator in in May 2009 we've added 4 new committers
(12 in total now)
Speaking wearing a hat:
There is no requirement for monolithic releases. The project can
choose whatever units it likes to release, so long as each one of them
is fully buildable from the materials voted on in the release. If they
want to hold one vote on 400 of them, well, it casts some doubt on
joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Cc:
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On 21 November 2011 15:48, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
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On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 12:11 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
Gosh. Well perhaps its me that needs to go back to school then. But i
find this most unexpected. The ASF FAQ on what is a release says All
releases are in the form of the source materials needed to make
changes to the
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
On the other hand, where have we been all this time? They've shipped
as many releases as they've shipped, and gotten votes from this PMC,
and now, at the time of the graduation vote, all this produces a ton
of
.
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On 21 November 2011 15:48, Joe Schaefer joe_schae
On 11/21/2011 11:11 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
Speaking wearing a hat:
There is no requirement for monolithic releases. The project can
choose whatever units it likes to release, so long as each one of them
is fully buildable from the materials voted on in the release. If they
want to hold one
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 05:11:37PM +, ant elder wrote:
I now wonder what is the point of the source release at all, other than IDE
debugging or reading APIs, for real development you'd ave to get the SVN
tag.
I recall some very lengthy threads in 2007-2009 regarding whether our source
code
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Guillaume Nodet gno...@gmail.com wrote:
That's really a good question. I'm using apache projects a lot but I've
never downloaded a single source release since ages, mostly using svn to
checkout / build, or maven source jars for debugging within the ide as you
On Nov 21, 2011, at 18:28 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
On 11/21/2011 11:11 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
Speaking wearing a hat:
There is no requirement for monolithic releases. The project can
choose whatever units it likes to release, so long as each one of them
is fully buildable from
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Cc:
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [VOTE] Graduate ACE from the Apache Incubator
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Guillaume Nodet gno...@gmail.com wrote:
That's really a good question. I'm using apache projects a lot
2011/11/21 Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl:
This last paragraph is an accurate description of how we setup ACE. It is
built out of components that are assembled in different ways at runtime
(using OSGi). The components themselves embed enough metadata to ensure that
(even
That seems an unusual approach to building the src. It also means that
to build the complete 0.8.0 release which contains 60 something
modules would require manually typing in over 400 commands which is
not very practical, i doubt anyone who voted +1 for the release
actually did that. I think an
+1 binding
Regards,
Alan
On Nov 17, 2011, at 2:42 AM, Marcel Offermans wrote:
In my opinion, ACE is ready to begin the process of graduating from the
Apache Incubator to a Top Level Project.
Since joining the incubator in in May 2009 we've added 4 new committers (12
in total now) from
+1 binding
On Friday, November 18, 2011, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
+1 binding
Regards,
Alan
On Nov 17, 2011, at 2:42 AM, Marcel Offermans wrote:
In my opinion, ACE is ready to begin the process of graduating from the
Apache Incubator to a Top Level Project.
Since
In my opinion, ACE is ready to begin the process of graduating from the Apache
Incubator to a Top Level Project.
Since joining the incubator in in May 2009 we've added 4 new committers (12 in
total now) from diverse organizations and did a release in May this year to
demonstrate we follow the
+1
Regards
JB
On 11/17/2011 11:42 AM, Marcel Offermans wrote:
In my opinion, ACE is ready to begin the process of graduating from the Apache
Incubator to a Top Level Project.
Since joining the incubator in in May 2009 we've added 4 new committers (12 in
total now) from diverse organizations
Great news, succes with this!
+1
2011/11/17 Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net
+1
Regards
JB
On 11/17/2011 11:42 AM, Marcel Offermans wrote:
In my opinion, ACE is ready to begin the process of graduating from the
Apache Incubator to a Top Level Project.
Since joining the
On 17 November 2011 10:42, Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote:
In my opinion, ACE is ready to begin the process of graduating from the
Apache Incubator to a Top Level Project.
Since joining the incubator in in May 2009 we've added 4 new committers (12
in total now) from
I'm not sure what this has to do with the graduation vote. The release
as such has been accepted by the incubator pmc and there only need to
be one release. The source for each artifact is there, it is just per
artifact in the -source.jar.
There might be different set-up then a lot of other
As much as I don't like this layout, this is not the first projet to use
it, and I don't really see how / why the IPMC should decide the svn layout
for the project. You won't be the one to manage it daily afaik, so that's
not up to you to decide imho.
Sling and Felix already use such a layout
On 17 November 2011 12:29, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure what this has to do with the graduation vote. The release
as such has been accepted by the incubator pmc and there only need to
be one release. The source for each artifact is there, it is just per
artifact in the
On 17 November 2011 12:51, Guillaume Nodet gno...@gmail.com wrote:
As much as I don't like this layout, this is not the first projet to use
it, and I don't really see how / why the IPMC should decide the svn layout
for the project. You won't be the one to manage it daily afaik, so that's
not
Again, we had this discussion before namely, when the actual release
vote happened. I'm still confused why we have to go through this
again. You should be able to build all of the components by using the
-source.jar's that are provided. They contain what is necessary i.e.,
the full source.
+1 (binding)
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
Again, we had this discussion before namely, when the actual release
vote happened. I'm still confused why we have to go through this
again. You should be able to build all of the components by using the
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:34 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17 November 2011 12:51, Guillaume Nodet gno...@gmail.com wrote:
As much as I don't like this layout, this is not the first projet to use
it, and I don't really see how / why the IPMC should decide the svn layout
for the project.
To try that I just went to the ACE downloads page which has a bunch of
jars and source jars to download, i downloaded the source of the first
one, org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-sources.jar, and
looking inside there is the source to some Java classes but no build
scripts or
$ mkdir org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator
$ cd org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator/
$ wget
http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ace/org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-source.jar
$ jar -xf org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-sources.jar
$ wget
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
$ mkdir org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator
$ cd org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator/
$ wget
http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ace/org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-source.jar
$
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
...I agree with others that having an svn tag for that release would be
much more convenient...
oops sorry, wrong list - moving this thread to ace-...@incubator.apache.org
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 14:30, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17 November 2011 12:29, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure what this has to do with the graduation vote. The release
as such has been accepted by the incubator pmc and there only need to
be one release. The
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Guillaume Nodet gno...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 14:30, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17 November 2011 12:29, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure what this has to do with the graduation vote. The release
as such has been
On 17 November 2011 14:07, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
$ mkdir org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator
$ cd org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator/
$ wget
http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ace/org.apache.ace.client.automation-0.8.0-incubator-source.jar
Again, I'm not against doing things differently for future release
(and the reason this release looks like it does is because that is
configured like this in the apache-parent iirc). However, I'm still
confused what all of this has to do with the graduation proposal vote
and why this has to be on
Hi Karl,
we can simply need to revert the changes just before the 0.8.0-incubator
release.
When upgrading the ACE build to use Maven, firstly, we used the tags scm
with Maven sub-modules.
So I'm quite sure that reverting just before the 0.8.0-incubator, I can
prepare that for the next ACE
JB,
please, lets move this to the ace-dev list.
regards,
Karl
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net wrote:
Hi Karl,
we can simply need to revert the changes just before the 0.8.0-incubator
release.
When upgrading the ACE build to use Maven, firstly, we
Sorry my mistake.
Regards
JB
On 11/17/2011 04:27 PM, Karl Pauls wrote:
JB,
please, lets move this to the ace-dev list.
regards,
Karl
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofréj...@nanthrax.net wrote:
Hi Karl,
we can simply need to revert the changes just before the
Big +1
Carsten
2011/11/17 Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl:
In my opinion, ACE is ready to begin the process of graduating from the
Apache Incubator to a Top Level Project.
Since joining the incubator in in May 2009 we've added 4 new committers (12
in total now) from diverse
2011/11/17 Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com:
Again, I'm not against doing things differently for future release
(and the reason this release looks like it does is because that is
configured like this in the apache-parent iirc). However, I'm still
confused what all of this has to do with the
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
Again, I'm not against doing things differently for future release
(and the reason this release looks like it does is because that is
configured like this in the apache-parent iirc). However, I'm still
confused what all of
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:38 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
Again, I'm not against doing things differently for future release
(and the reason this release looks like it does is because that is
configured like
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:38 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
Again, I'm not against doing things differently for future release
(and the reason
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:56 PM, ant elder antel...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:38 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
Again, I'm
Hello Ant,
On Nov 17, 2011, at 16:56 PM, ant elder wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:38 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Karl Pauls karlpa...@gmail.com wrote:
Again, I'm not against
+1 (binding) congrats!
Cheers,
Chris
On Nov 17, 2011, at 2:42 AM, Marcel Offermans wrote:
In my opinion, ACE is ready to begin the process of graduating from the
Apache Incubator to a Top Level Project.
Since joining the incubator in in May 2009 we've added 4 new committers (12
in total
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