On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 11:24 AM, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:47 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <
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> > On Sunday 13 April 2008 19:30, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
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> > > > IMHO the emphasis on committer affiliation is misguided
On Apr 16, 2008, at 6:56 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
There needs to be a balance. And I am satisfied that the Incubator
PMC has been taking the right line on the issue so far, subjective
as the line may be.
FWIW, I also agree. And as a mentor, I think it results in a better
podling/PPMC
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
>>> 1. the incubator should be concerned about the composition of the
>>> proposed PMC.
> Only that the community will be welcoming to newcomers and not treat the
> ASF community-project as the "company's private project"
Those are prima
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:47 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On Sunday 13 April 2008 19:30, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
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> > > IMHO the emphasis on committer affiliation is misguided. overloading
> > > the word diversity was also probably a mistake. maybe we need to focu
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin <
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> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > That would make the PPMC be about 50% IBM day job and 50% (non IBMers
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On Sunday 13 April 2008 19:30, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
IMHO the emphasis on committer affiliation is misguided. overloading
the word diversity was also probably a mistake. maybe we need to focus
on narrower concepts with alternative names.
1. the incubator should be concerned about the comp
I am glad that I brought up the discussion on Tuscany graduation with Bill
Rowe at ApacheConEU 2008. Happy to see this gain momentum and the positive
responses :).
++Vamsi
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 13 April 2008 19:30, Robert Burrell
On Sunday 13 April 2008 19:30, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
> IMHO the emphasis on committer affiliation is misguided. overloading
> the word diversity was also probably a mistake. maybe we need to focus
> on narrower concepts with alternative names.
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> 1. the incubator should be concerned about t
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That would make the PPMC be about 50% IBM day job and 50% (non IBMers or
> IBM non-day jobers). Can we take it to a private list if anyone wants a
> detailed breakdown?
+1
IMO the IPMC is wrong to ask for named affili
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Matthieu Riou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On 4/10/08, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:31 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <
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> > > > i've be
On 4/10/08, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:31 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > i've been a passive subscriber to the tuscany list for quite a while
> > > now and to me, from the lists, i
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:31 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
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> > i've been a passive subscriber to the tuscany list for quite a while
> > now and to me, from the lists, it feels like an open community
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> It's been a while since we discu
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
i've been a passive subscriber to the tuscany list for quite a while
now and to me, from the lists, it feels like an open community
It's been a while since we discussed this.
I'm very curious where Tuscany stands - in terms of viably graduating
at this point. The
On 10/24/07, Matt Hogstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jim,
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> Thanks for this feedback. I think you raise a good point that one of
> the goals of community building is discovering a community's true
> synergies and strengths and that sometimes the right outcome is not a
> single community. Whe
Jim,
Thanks for this feedback. I think you raise a good point that one of
the goals of community building is discovering a community's true
synergies and strengths and that sometimes the right outcome is not a
single community. Where goals are mis-aligned then a respectful
change of dir
On Oct 23, 2007, at 6:43 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Noel,
I was there when it happened. It was actually the other way
around..Short story, the "independents" had trouble letting anyone
else work or suggest ideas which went against their own mental model
of how things should be. When i argued
Just one example of the community bending over back wards to
accomodate Jim and Jeremy
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg05118.html
Please search for "chianti" in the archives to get the background.
Basically the trunk was abandoned and the revolutionary "fork" was
accepted *JUST*
Noel,
FYI, I could plainly see who was working hard to co-exist and who
wasnt'. IMHO, the people who left clearly did not want to
play/participate. It was sacrilege to do anything that was against
their mental model of things had to work.
My 2 cents.
-- dims
On 10/23/07, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL
Noel,
I was there when it happened. It was actually the other way
around..Short story, the "independents" had trouble letting anyone
else work or suggest ideas which went against their own mental model
of how things should be. When i argued for a middle path vociferously,
they left.
-- dims
On
Jim Marino wrote:
> About seven months ago, BEA decided to pursue an alternative
> direction with the other active independents working on SCA
> at the time when our goals diverged from others in the community.
> Speaking for BEA, we made it clear on multiple occasions that
> while we wished Tusca
Matthieu Riou wrote:
> they did welcome enough independent committers while being in the
> incubator
> Attracting a large quantity of independent developers while being
> in the incubator is pretty hard
Yes, but it seems to be emerging that there *were* more independents, and
they have left to w
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