On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
...Perhaps the proposal needs to make it explicit that the initial champion is
the one to call a vote for the first non-IPMC champion and that this is am
important step on the road to graduation
I think that's
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote:
Wow, my thread got away from me. Thanks for tying all that back together
Bertrand!..
You're welcome - I hope this is aligned with your initial idea!
Considering the various comments in this thread, heres a slightly
On 25 November 2011 09:13, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote:
...
4a. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their
current one agrees to take on the above tasks.
add before graduation?
If
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 25 November 2011 09:13, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
...
4a. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their
current one agrees to take on the above tasks.
add before
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
...I think the Champion should be an ASF mentor, which I believe
to be consistent with my interpretation of the documentation on podling
[PROPOSAL]...
I agree that the *initial* Champion must be an
(was: should podlings have informal chairs?)
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 02:09:13PM -0800, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
Also, the notion of the champion as the podling mentor herder has a certain
appeal.
It seems a little odd to me that a PPMC member who is neither an ASF Member
nor on the IPMC may
: * Umbrella Projects add a layer of indirection that make it hard for the
: board to know when there are problems in the individual (sub/leaf)
: projects.
:
: * The Board needs regular status updates on all the projects in the ASF
: (where podlings are considered projects)
:
: Podlings
: Which is exactly why I suggest extending/clarifying that role. The
: word Champion might not be ideal, but we already have it and if you
: read
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
: it can be understood to include those new responsibilities (as Chris
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
...I think the Champion should be an ASF mentor, which I believe
to be consistent with my interpretation of the
On 23 November 2011 20:25, Chris Hostetter hossman_l...@fucit.org wrote:
...
: Vice President implies power, we don't want to give the impression
: that the Champion has any superpowers (reread the thread from which
: this one derives) - it's just a coordination role.
Isn't that true of the
On 23 November 2011 20:11, Chris Hostetter hossman_l...@fucit.org wrote:
: * Umbrella Projects add a layer of indirection that make it hard for the
: board to know when there are problems in the individual (sub/leaf)
: projects.
:
: * The Board needs regular status updates on all the
I will offer a theory in response to Hoss.
The incubator has a particular and critical role in the success of the
Foundations. Projects that start well are likelier to continue well.
From this, you might argue along with Hoss that the Board, burned once
by problems with delegated supervision,
That would work for me, Bertrand...with the assumption that the
later *Champion* would be the eventual VP. I think that *has*
to happen and is consistent with what I have seen even now.
Which brings me to...what's the delta here between this proposal and
the current norm? What you describe
Hi Chris,
On Thursday, November 24, 2011, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
...Which brings me to...what's the delta here between this proposal and
the current norm? What you describe below is really the current
way it's gone for me at least IMHO, with Tika, with OODT, with Gora,
etc.
Hey Bertrand,
On Nov 24, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
Hi Chris,
On Thursday, November 24, 2011, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
...Which brings me to...what's the delta here between this proposal and
the current norm? What you describe below is really the current
way
for.
- Dennis
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That would work for me, Bertrand...with the assumption
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That would work
of the Champion as an incubation
coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)
On 24 November 2011 03:29, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
I'm sorry. I did not mean to suggest that the champion
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
I had hoped that the business of a PPMC-member champion being a VP-elect
would have just gone away. That coupling is certain to inspire
On Nov 24, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
I had hoped that the business of a PPMC-member champion being a VP-elect
would have just gone away. That coupling is certain to inspire political
motivation and
On 24 November 2011 17:34, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
wrote:
I had hoped that the business of a PPMC-member champion being a
: dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation
coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)
On Nov 24, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
wrote:
I had hoped
, 2011 09:37
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation
coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)
On Nov 24, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E
Wow, my thread got away from me. Thanks for tying all that back together
Bertrand!
+1 to this proposal, whatever they happen to be called (I find Champion a bit
weird still, but I can see how it fits - and we don't need any more acronyms).
A couple of notes:
On 23/11/2011, at 8:29 AM,
as an incubation
coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)
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On Nov 24, 2011 5:59 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
wrote:
I understand about PMC chairs, but I thought that is for a TLP and
happens at
Podling
: Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:26
To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org; general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an
incubation coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)
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On Nov 24
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On Nov 23, 2011 8:12 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:28:06PM +0100, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
...The word champion doesn't seem to describe this new role precisely. A
champion is someone who fights on your behalf -- in the context of a new
On 23 November 2011 09:14, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
...
Vice President implies power, we don't want to give the impression
that the Champion has any superpowers (reread the thread from which
this one derives) - it's just a coordination role.
+1
I imagine I would
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Nov 23, 2011 8:12 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
I can already hear the questions: Can I serve as
a Champion, I am not a
On 22 November 2011 03:50, Chris Hostetter hossman_l...@fucit.org wrote:
: We should be reporting to the board about OUR work, not the work of
: the podlings. Podlings should only be brought in for a few specific
: examplesto mention. That's the first thing to correct.
While I generally
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org; Joe
Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Cc:
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: should podlings have informal chairs?
: We should be reporting to the board about OUR work, not the work of
: the podlings. Podlings
Great stuff, and great discussion. Thanks in particular Bertrand for
making it a specific proposal. +1
On 2011-11-22 4:29 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
...
3. The Champion is not necessarily a mentor.
Correct - from the organizational point of view, the champion role as
defined is
] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation
coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)
Great stuff, and great discussion. Thanks in particular Bertrand for
making it a specific proposal. +1
On 2011-11-22 4:29 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
...
3. The Champion
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
3. The Champion is not necessarily a mentor.
Ah now I know what confused me.
A Champion is not necessarily a mentor - but he should be either on
the IPMC, a Officer or a Member, right?
A Champion cannot be
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 02:09:13PM -0800, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
Also, the notion of the champion as the podling mentor herder has a certain
appeal.
It seems a little odd to me that a PPMC member who is neither an ASF Member
nor on the IPMC may be elected to the Champion role and then would
On Nov 23, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 02:09:13PM -0800, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
Also, the notion of the champion as the podling mentor herder has a certain
appeal.
It seems a little odd to me that a PPMC member who is neither an ASF Member
nor on
; dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation
coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 02:09:13PM -0800, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
Also, the notion of the champion as the podling mentor herder has
] Clarify the role of the Champion as an incubation
coordinator (was: should podlings have informal chairs?)
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 02:09:13PM -0800, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
Also, the notion of the champion as the podling mentor herder has a certain
appeal.
It seems a little odd to me
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
... We should be reporting to the board about OUR work, not the work of
the podlings. Podlings should only be brought in for a few specific
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
... We should be reporting to the board about OUR work, not the
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
... We should be reporting to the board about OUR work, not the
On 22 November 2011 10:20, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
... We should be reporting to the board about OUR work, not the work of
I am +1 to Joe's formulation of short-term action items. I'd like to
graduate one or two of my personal ducklings before I sign up to start
acting as a wandering nuncio to others.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 22 November 2011 10:20, Bertrand
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Cc:
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: should podlings have informal chairs?
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
But I think you mentioned something important, the fuzzy benchmarks. There
are some we can make more critical, like: sign copyright stuff within
3 months or leave. Something like that.
Legal stuff isn't
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
soft time limits (sign off copyright within 3
months or expect IPMC scrutiny) would probably be useful, I think.
+1
Robert
- Sam Ruby
On 22 November 2011 14:08, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
To me a lot of the problem stems from the fact that the reports are
misdirected- instead of informing the board about the activities of
the
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
soft time limits (sign off copyright within 3
months or expect IPMC scrutiny) would probably be useful, I think.
+1
I think
I went over the whole thread and I like idea, but I have one concern, what
if the non of the mentors agreed to be the initial chair of the podling,
Does this stop the podling from being accepted ?
Does this mean that all mentors are not allowed to be accepted as mentors ?
Or
Champion needs to
Hi Incubator PMC,
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote:
...Should we appoint one of the mentors at the start to be the chair of the
PPMC, in the same
way as a full project? I would see them as responsible for ensuring the
podling is reporting, and
that all
+1 on everything, just a few comments...
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
3. The Champion is not necessarily a mentor.
Not sure if that actually makes sense. I think a Champion is a mentor
by default somehow
4. The podling can elect a new
The last time I was in this neighborhood, I was told (by no less than
our esteemed chairman) that the Champion's role was purely to play
Virgil on a podling's initial tour of the Foundation and the
Incubator. Once the podling was accepted, the Champion evaporated.
If I add Bertrand and
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Benson Margulies
bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
...2) We redefine the term Champion to be a sort of meta-mentor who,
somehow, watches out for bears or missing mentors without necessarily
getting deeply involved...
That's exactly what I'm suggesting.
...As far
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
3. The Champion is not necessarily a mentor.
Not sure if that actually makes sense. I think a Champion is a mentor
by default
On Nov 22, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
[..snip..]
But as you say that role evaporates once the project starts, so it
seems to make sense to give more meaning to it, considering that that
fills some existing gaps.
That hasn't been my experience at all. I've been a Champion
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
On Nov 22, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
...But as you say that role evaporates once the project starts, so it
seems to make sense to give more meaning to it, considering that that
Thanks Bertrand.
I guess my whole point is that I think what you guys are discussing
as Champion is what I've always felt it was.
Anyhoo, take care and Happy Holidays (at least out here in the States!) :-)
Cheers,
Chris
On Nov 22, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Wed, Nov 23,
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:28:06PM +0100, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Benson Margulies
bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
...2) We redefine the term Champion to be a sort of meta-mentor who,
somehow, watches out for bears or missing mentors without necessarily
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote:
Hi,
Some time back we moved to having 3 mentors, which had the positive of more
hands and enough binding votes, but the downside of no single person on the
hook for a podling's reporting and progress towards graduation.
On 21 November 2011 08:42, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote:
Hi,
Some time back we moved to having 3 mentors, which had the positive of more
hands and enough binding votes, but the downside of no
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 21 November 2011 08:42, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote:
Hi,
Some time back we moved to having 3 mentors, which
On Nov 21, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 21 November 2011 08:42, Robert Burrell Donkin
robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote:
Hi,
Some time back we moved to having 3 mentors, which had the positive of more
On Saturday, November 19, 2011, Brett Porter wrote:
...Should we appoint one of the mentors at the start to be the chair of
the PPMC, in the same way as a full project? I would see them as
responsible for ensuring the podling is reporting, and that all of the
mentors are engaged and signing
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 19, 2011, Brett Porter wrote:
...Should we appoint one of the mentors at the start to be the chair of
the PPMC, in the same way as a full project? I would see them as
responsible for
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
... in the past I have already doubt the sense of a champion. Now with
this new role it would make more sense to me. Therefore I would like
the idea that the Champion should have this role.
But I think there must
+1 on redefining the Champion role as described in this thread
(without assuming existing Champions will be happy with this new
responsibility - if a mentor is not willing to take on the role then
the podling has a problem)
Ross
On 21 November 2011 13:19, Bertrand Delacretaz
On 21 November 2011 13:23, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
+1 on redefining the Champion role as described in this thread
(without assuming existing Champions will be happy with this new
responsibility - if a mentor is not willing to take on the role then
the podling has a
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:39 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
We also don't always document the Champion - it is on the initial
proposal, but only some status pages seem to include the information.
Perhaps we should require it in podlings.xml?
[1]
On 11/19/2011 1:45 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
Should we appoint one of the mentors at the start to be the chair of the
PPMC, in the same way as a full project? I would see them as responsible for ensuring the
podling is reporting, and that all of the mentors are engaged and signing off the
On 21 November 2011 13:54, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:39 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
We also don't always document the Champion - it is on the initial
proposal, but only some status pages seem to include the information.
Perhaps we should
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:53 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21 November 2011 13:54, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:39 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
If we agree that the Champion will have this new responsibility then I
think we should add the
This image is great, you'll be putting alongside the docs right?
On 21 November 2011 15:08, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:53 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21 November 2011 13:54, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21,
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
This image is great, you'll be putting alongside the docs right?
It is already there, I have announced it before I started with Bootstrapped
See: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Process_Description.html
It
On 21 November 2011 15:08, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:53 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21 November 2011 13:54, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:39 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
If we agree that the
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:38 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
Currently it reads:
drive the process of incubation forwards which finally leads to an
acceptance vote
The problem is that process of incubation can mean more than just
entering the Incubator, and acceptance could refer to
: Monday, November 21, 2011 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: should podlings have informal chairs?
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:38 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
Currently it reads:
drive the process of incubation forwards which finally leads to an
acceptance vote
The problem is that process
; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Cc:
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: should podlings have informal chairs?
On 21 November 2011 16:47, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Personally I am against the idea of picking a chair
for a podling early.
That's
What about getting rid of the word 'champion'? Seems like there are two
roles: the Member(s) which backed the proposal to enter the incubator, and
a Coordinator.
Scott
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.comwrote:
On 21 November 2011 16:47, Joe Schaefer
On 21 November 2011 18:22, Scott Deboy scott.de...@gmail.com wrote:
What about getting rid of the word 'champion'? Seems like there are two
roles: the Member(s) which backed the proposal to enter the incubator, and
a Coordinator.
I think Champion is a good name, especially for the pre-podling
-
From: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Cc:
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: should podlings have informal chairs?
On 21 November 2011 16:47, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Personally
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Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 1:49 PM
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On 21 November 2011 18:22, Scott Deboy scott.de...@gmail.com wrote:
What about getting rid of the word 'champion'? Seems like there
are two
roles
that supervision other than
being a creature of 100 legs and no head.
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Cc:
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: should podlings have informal chairs?
On 21 November 2011 18:22, Scott Deboy scott.de
Subject: Re: should podlings have informal chairs?
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Well its a little confusing to expect anyone other than a mentor
to shepherd a project- the corresponding shepherd at the TLP
level
is a board member
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Add this item for discussion then:
* currently the board is overloaded with parsing and processing the IPMC
monthly reports, and would like to delegate most of that review to the
the IPMC chair, who should figure out
Sam,
Do you see any validity in my theory that the ipmc is so large and
diffuse as to be directionless?
--benson
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On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
Sam,
Do you see any validity in my theory that the ipmc is so large and
diffuse as to be directionless?
I don't see that as a necessary consequence. The ASF is large and
diffuse, yet each month we pretty
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
Sam,
Do you see any validity in my theory that the ipmc is so large and
diffuse as to be directionless?
I don't see that as a necessary
, 2011 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: should podlings have informal chairs?
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Benson Margulies
bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
Sam,
Do you see any validity in my theory that the ipmc is so large
Wow quite a thread.
+1 to the concept that the Champion is responsible for ensuring the new
PPMC has a mentor who agrees to act as acting chair for the project.
+1 to having a chair for PPMCs, to help ensure that reports are done in
a timely and appropriate fashion.
+1 to having the acting
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
To me a lot of the problem stems from the fact that the reports are
misdirected- instead of informing the board about the activities of
the IPMC, it tells them about the podling's activities, which doesn't
scale
On 22 November 2011 00:42, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
wrote:
Sam,
Do you see any validity in my theory that the ipmc is so large
I see what I did wrong.
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:36 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 22 November 2011 00:42, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Benson Margulies
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WDYT?
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From: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: should podlings have informal chairs?
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote
On 11/21/2011 5:13 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
Do you see any validity in my theory that the ipmc is so large and
diffuse as to be directionless?
Of course. It applies to the ASF as a whole.
But Incubator submissions keep coming, as (generally part of one of)
1) dev lib functionality, 2)
Hi,
Some time back we moved to having 3 mentors, which had the positive of more
hands and enough binding votes, but the downside of no single person on the
hook for a podling's reporting and progress towards graduation.
Should we appoint one of the mentors at the start to be the chair of the
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