LRU-Indentity-HashMap

2004-10-27 Thread Ceki Gülcü
/util/IdentityHashMap.html [4] http://ws.apache.org/axis/java/apiDocs/org/apache/axis/utils/IdentityHashMap.html [5] http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/collections/apidocs-COLLECTIONS_3_1/org/apache/commons/collections/map/IdentityMap.html ps: Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ceki Gülcü For

cvs commit: jakarta-site2/docs/site mail.html mail2.html

2004-01-22 Thread ceki
ceki2004/01/22 13:01:07 Modified:xdocs/site mail.xml mail2.xml docs/site mail.html mail2.html Log: Removed references to log4j mailing lists PR: Obtained from: Submitted by: Reviewed by: Revision ChangesPath 1.32 +3 -4

cvs commit: jakarta-site2/docs .htaccess

2003-12-22 Thread ceki
ceki2003/12/22 11:24:39 Modified:docs .htaccess Log: Added a redirection from log4j/ to logging.apache.org/log4j PR: Obtained from: Submitted by: Reviewed by: Revision ChangesPath 1.13 +3 -0 jakarta-site2/docs/.htaccess Index

Re: TRACE level [WAS] Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-20 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 08:42 AM 12/20/2003 -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 20, 2003, at 8:40 AM, Ceki Gülcü wrote: Subsequent to the demand for the TRACE level expressed by a number of user, there is every reason to believe that a vote will be held on this topic before log4j 1.3 is released. However, there

Re: TRACE level [WAS] Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-20 Thread Ceki Gülcü
still time as log4j 1.3 will not be released in the immediate future. -- Ceki Gülcü For log4j documentation consider "The complete log4j manual" ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/shop/products/clm_t.jsp --

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-20 Thread Ceki Gülcü
ubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ceki Gülcü For log4j documentation consider "The complete log4j manual" ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/shop/products/clm_t.jsp ---

[ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache Logging Services project

2003-12-18 Thread Ceki Gülcü
lidays to all, -- Ceki Gülcü For log4j documentation consider "The complete log4j manual" ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/shop/products/clm_t.jsp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional c

Only 17 days left to register at ApacheCon!

2003-10-30 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Greetings to all, I just wanted to bring your attention to the fact that there are only 17 days left for registering at ApacheCon US/2003! -- Ceki Gülcü For log4j documentation consider "The complete log4j manual" ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/shop/products/clm_t.jsp

RE: JSP editor for Eclipse

2003-10-27 Thread Ceki Gülcü
olors nicely. -Original Message- From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: JSP editor for Eclipse Hello all, I am looking for a JSP editor for Eclipse. Any recommendations on this front? -- Ceki Gülcü For

JSP editor for Eclipse

2003-10-27 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Hello all, I am looking for a JSP editor for Eclipse. Any recommendations on this front? -- Ceki Gülcü For log4j documentation consider "The complete log4j manual" ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/shop/products/clm_t.jsp import org.apache.Facetime; ApacheCon US 2

Fwd: Reminder: Hyper-Early Bird Registration Ends Soon

2003-09-26 Thread Ceki Gülcü
you to be a part of it! Hyper-Early bird registration fee: US$499 After 30 September: US$599 After 20 October: US$799 After 16 November: US$899 Register today at http://www.apachecon.com/ We look forward to seeing you there! - Sally Khudairi -- Ceki Gülcü For log4j documentation co

cvs commit: jakarta-site2/docs/images/logos ac2003-150.gif

2003-09-15 Thread ceki
ceki2003/09/15 12:01:14 Added: docs/images/logos ac2003-150.gif Log: 150x86 advert icon for AC 2003. PR: Obtained from: Submitted by: Reviewed by: Revision ChangesPath 1.1 jakarta-site2/docs/images/logos/ac2003-150.gif

cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs/stylesheets site.vsl

2003-09-15 Thread ceki
ceki2003/09/15 11:58:13 Modified:xdocs/stylesheets site.vsl Log: Added visible link to Ac 2003. PR: Obtained from: Submitted by: Reviewed by: Revision ChangesPath 1.32 +4 -0 jakarta-site2/xdocs/stylesheets/site.vsl Index: site.vsl

Re: Registration to ApacheCon US 2003 is open

2003-09-15 Thread Ceki Gülcü
The page http://www.apachecon.com/2003/US/html/travel.html should be be updated soon. At 01:42 PM 9/15/2003 -0500, you wrote: At which hotel is ApacheCon? -dain On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 01:29 PM, Ceki Gülcü wrote: Registration Opens for ApacheCon 2003, the Global Hub for All Things

Registration to ApacheCon US 2003 is open

2003-09-15 Thread Ceki Gülcü
/ You can find the press release at: http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=57498 -- Ceki Gülcü For log4j documentation consider "The complete log4j manual" ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/shop/products/clm_t.jsp import org.apache.Facetime; Apache

cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs/stylesheets site.vsl

2003-09-05 Thread ceki
ceki2003/09/05 05:01:02 Modified:xdocs/stylesheets site.vsl Log: Removed link to AC2003 as requested by Sally Khudairi in order to allow more time for preparation of the event. PR: Obtained from: Submitted by: Reviewed by: Revision ChangesPath 1.31

Re: Publicizing ApacheCon 2003

2003-09-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
rly as possible..... On 9/4/03 12:13 PM, "Ceki Gülcü" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If I am not mistakem, early-bird registration seems to be already over... Anyway, I added a link at the top of the jakarta sidebar menu. I am confident people will find things to improve but you'

Re: Publicizing ApacheCon 2003

2003-09-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Glenn Nielsen wrote: +1 But wait until the sessions are available at www.apachecon.com Ceki Gülcü wrote: Hello everyone, Apachecon 2003 will take place in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA, 16-19 November 2003. For this event to be the success that it deserves to have, we need to make an effort to publicize

cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs/stylesheets site.vsl

2003-09-04 Thread ceki
ceki2003/09/04 08:31:54 Modified:xdocs/stylesheets site.vsl Log: Added an ApacheCon 2003 US icon at the top of the sidebar menu. The outcome might not be elegant but it's the best I could manage. PR: Obtained from: Submitted by: Reviewed by: Rev

cvs commit: jakarta-site2/docs/images/logos ac2003-M.gif

2003-09-04 Thread ceki
ceki2003/09/04 07:07:34 Added: docs/images/logos ac2003-M.gif Log: Added AC2003 icon PR: Obtained from: Submitted by: Reviewed by: Revision ChangesPath 1.1 jakarta-site2/docs/images/logos/ac2003-M.gif

Publicizing ApacheCon 2003

2003-09-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
://www.ApacheCon.com. The icons are available at http://www.apache.org/~ceki/ac2003/ We should at least add a salient image on the sidebar of the jakarta pages. Comments? -- Ceki Gülcü For log4j documentation consider "The complete log4j manual" ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/sho

cvs commit: jakarta-site2/docs/site whoweare.html

2003-08-10 Thread ceki
ceki2003/08/10 10:40:34 Modified:xdocs/site whoweare.xml docs/site whoweare.html Log: Updated my bio as well as Shawn Bayer's upon his request. PR: Obtained from: Submitted by: Reviewed by: Revision ChangesPath 1.91 +

The Rules of Open-Source Programming

2003-06-06 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Here are some OSP rules that might be of interest: http://www.advogato.org/article/395.html Enjoy! -- Ceki For log4j documentation consider "The complete log4j manual" ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/shop/products

Re: Sun

2003-05-28 Thread Ceki Gülcü
y developer I know who has a say on the platform uses JBoss: better product, better documentation, better support, lower price. Do you think Sun Microsystems cares one bit about the well being of Open Source? The fact that Sun is actively trying to scuttle a successful OS project, JBoss in this case

Re: Sun

2003-05-28 Thread Ceki Gülcü
... Mark Fleury _is_ evil. He has a character but evil? A bit harsh no? Pier -- Ceki For log4j documentation consider "The complete log4j manual" ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/shop/products/clm_t.jsp -

Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations

2003-02-19 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Hi Robert, I think Mark's nomination follows the sprit set by Sam's initial note. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=104275438831116&w=2 As such, I don't see a need for a separate vote. At 22:16 19.02.2003 +0000, you wrote: hi ceki wouldn't it

Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations

2003-02-19 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Fumagalli - Ceki Gülcü - Dmitri Plotnikov - Phillip Rhodes To add to the list, I'd like to nominate these active committers: - James Strachan - Jason van Zyl - Ted Husted - Rod Waldhoff +1 I'd like to add Mark Womack to the list of candidates. - Sam Ruby

Re: PMC Nomination

2003-02-19 Thread Ceki Gülcü
e at which people become committers. But I would like to see significantly more Jakarta committers become PMC and ASF members. +1 By the way, when are the next membership nominations? - Sam Ruby -- Ceki - To unsubscri

Re: Licensing again.

2003-02-12 Thread Ceki Gülcü
D license. Understand its sprit. Read the Apache license. See how much or how little it differs. I would encourage general discussion of this on [EMAIL PROTECTED] This topic has a much wider applicability than Jakarta. Sure. - Sam Ruby -- Ceki -

Re: Licensing again.

2003-02-12 Thread Ceki Gülcü
oard@apache in order to solicit clarifications and/or corrections. If you do not hear of any such changes in the next few days, please treat this as official ASF policy. - Sam Ruby -- Ceki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTE

Re: Logging strategy

2003-01-29 Thread Ceki Gülcü
user base is large and growing. As time passes, more people will gravitate to it as it keeps improving. We have enough cool features in pipe to keep us busy for the foreseeable future. Simile, the future is bright and open! Daniel -- Ceki

[OT] Pointedly Extreme Programming

2003-01-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
This one surely will become a classic: http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20030109.html -- Ceki -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
es the community months or even years to realize that the idea was bad. Of course, the problem does stem from the open nature of the ASF but rather from the imperfections of *any* conceivable system. The bottom line is that we should not mistake the failings of the system with our own PGL syndrome (pa

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 12:23 09.12.2002 +0100, Steven Noels wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: - things being 'easier' when being a member: of course not, and I hope that wasn't the impression that I gave The message I was trying to get across was that the "firewall" a.k.a. barrier between memb

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
nd an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see how you are received. Note the CC: to licensing@. -- Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/ -- Ceki -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-05 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 05:52 05.12.2002 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: Would a shut-up-and-think-for-yourself be any better? It seems to me that you are seeking an explicit sanction for the practice of using the current license by reference. Yes, shut-up-and-think-for-yourself would be better assuming

RE: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-05 Thread Ceki Gülcü
you, the ASF, nor anyone on the board. What is going on here? Craig McClanahan -- Ceki TCP implementations will follow a general principle of robustness: be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others. -- Jon Postel, RFC 793 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <m

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 07:31 04.12.2002 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote: Stefan Mainz wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: I do not understand what Roy means by "the scope of what was covered beyond 'this file'" Copyright law only protects the expression of an idea, so I am baffled by what is meant by the scope b

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 12:02 04.12.2002 +0100, Stefan Mainz wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: I do not understand what Roy means by "the scope of what was covered beyond 'this file'" Copyright law only protects the expression of an idea, so I am baffled by what is meant by the scope beyond the file,

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 12:13 04.12.2002 +0100, you wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: At 11:06 04.12.2002 +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: IANAL and not the one to decide. IIRC IIUC the board, &&|| board members have said to use the full version till version 2.0 arrives. Well, as far as I know, there is no permi

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
on this topic, one should not make absolute statements. Yes, it is theoretically safer to include the license in each file, but including a copyright notice followed by reference to the license should be good enough (because it makes sense.) Mvgr, Martin -- Ceki TCP implementations will

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
position on this, or until there is an official document on this topic, one should not make absolute affirmations. -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ceki TCP implementations will follow a general principle of robustness: be conservative in what you do, be liberal in

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
a reference to the license? The whole world does it. Why shouldn't we? -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ceki TCP implementations will follow a general principle of robustness: be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others. -- Jon P

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
tively that this is against ASF rules, I will move to rectify > the situation. Roy Fielding and several other board members have repeatedly stated that the short version is not acceptable IIRC. License 2.0 is supposed to help. Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Gump changes

2002-11-12 Thread Ceki Gülcü
l-unsubscribe@;jakarta.apache.org> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:general-help@;jakarta.apache.org> -- Ceki TCP implementations will follow a general principle of robustness: be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others. -- Jon Postel, RFC 793 --

Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

2002-10-08 Thread Ceki Gülcü
gt; >-- >StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment >314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco > http://studioz.tv/ -- Ceki TCP implementations will follow a general principle of robustness: be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others. -- Jon Postel, RFC

log4j-dev@ summary for June

2002-06-28 Thread Ceki Gülcü
various versions. To which Ceki replied by stating [2] the current policy of not removing deprecated methods until at least two release cycles are completed. This reply did not seem to satisfy John Armstrong and a long discussion ensued. A historical perspective [3] seemed to satisfy most people, at l

Re: welcoming and nurturing volunteers

2002-05-25 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 10:07 25.05.2002 -0400, you wrote: >Ceki Gülcü wrote: > > > > The motivational power of appreciation cannot be underestimated. The > > author is correct in emphasizing the point. What is not emphasized > > enough is the need for direction. What's the use of ha

Re: welcoming and nurturing volunteers

2002-05-25 Thread Ceki Gülcü
f having a million volunteers if they all pull in different directions? >- Sam Ruby -- Ceki -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Criteria for commit access

2002-05-24 Thread Ceki Gülcü
s unnecessary when you have a close and trusting relationship with the other developer(s) although establishing trust takes time. It does not happen overnight. >- Sam Ruby -- Ceki ps: By the way, the idea of submitting a patch as a committer is not mine. It's yours (Sam's). -- To un

Re: Criteria for commit access; was: [VOTE] New Committer Dan Sandberg

2002-05-24 Thread Ceki Gülcü
the reasons for his liberal policy (for granting commit access). I tend to oscillate between a liberal policy and a conservative one. A discussion on this topic is very well deserved imho. >Costin -- Ceki ps: The tomcat developers should complete the vote on Dan's candidacy. His candida

Re: bugzilla related emails

2002-05-16 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 09:32 16.05.2002 +0200, Stefan Bodewig wrote: >On Thu, 16 May 2002, Ceki Gülc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The log4j developers would like log4j bug report related emails to > > also appear on the log4j-dev mailing list. Can this be done? > >All that ne

bugzilla related emails

2002-05-16 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Bug Database. Please use this database report bugs and suggest new features. To suggest a new feature, set the severity of the bug to "enhancement". In case of problems with the Apache Bug Database, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, Ceki -- To unsubscri

Re: [New Subproject Proposal] ObjectBridge

2002-05-01 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Here is my enthusiastic but non binding +1. At 14:41 29.04.2002 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >I would like to propose ObjectRelationalBridge >(http://objectbridge.sourceforge.net/) as a top level subproject of >Jakarta. -- Ceki -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMA

Re: Large code donation?

2002-04-13 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 00:07 13.04.2002 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Ceki [iso-8859-1] Gülcü wrote: > > > The results of a recent vote show that the log4j community has strong > interest > > in the donation. Is there a document that I can present to the donator for

Re: Large code donation?

2002-04-12 Thread Ceki Gülcü
. Correct? To whom do I (or the donator) send the signed document? Thanks in advance, Ceki At 23:58 11.04.2002 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >There are several reasons why this needs a contributors license (assuming >people want the code) -- Ceki -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mail

Re: Large code donation?

2002-04-11 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Your explanation is crystal clear. I'll organize a vote on the donation just to make sure that we really want the code. Thanks again, Ceki At 23:58 11.04.2002 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Ceki [iso-8859-1] Gülcü wrote: > > > A commercial company, a

Large code donation?

2002-04-11 Thread Ceki Gülcü
License) to the log4j-dev list, can we then consider that the contribution is "just" a large patch? Any clarification on this matter would be greatly appreciated. -- Ceki -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

RE: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-29 Thread Ceki Gülcü
ome rule about being part of the JDK 1.4 umbrella JSR which apparently changes things. (Don't ask me why.) -- Ceki My link of the month: http://java.sun.com/aboutJava/standardization/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-29 Thread Ceki Gülcü
takes the development of good software for granted. It takes a lot of energy and time. We waste much of it bickering among ourselves. Initially I was very saddened by this but now have grown accustomed to it. I do not expect to change anyones's mind. I am pretty sick of the politics and hav

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-29 Thread Ceki Gülcü
are warmed up and all systems are >configured properly. That should drop the difference even more in theory. -- Ceki My link of the month: http://java.sun.com/aboutJava/standardization/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-29 Thread Ceki Gülcü
f the story? You are essentially right if the user knows what she is doing. It would be interesting to see if changing private Category category = null; to final private Category category; in org.apache.commons.logging.impl.Log4JCategoryLog would change anything. It would be a nice experiment. At 12:46 29.03.2002 +11

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-29 Thread Ceki Gülcü
willing to use Jakarta projects will *have* to use the >Jakarta logger. Sound M$-ish, doesn't it? > >Last solution : everyone stands where they are: pro-choice vs. pro-one-logger. > >-Vladimir > >-- >Vladimir Bossicard >www.bossicard.com -- Ceki My link of the mont

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-28 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 16:56 28.03.2002 -0800, you wrote: >On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Ceki Gülcü wrote: > > > I think you have done a pretty good job on the log4j wrapper. However, > > I am pretty stretched out as it is, so I can't really help with something > > I don't particularly lik

RE: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-28 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 00:57 29.03.2002 +0100, Paulo Gaspar wrote: >Ceki, > >What about making clear that commons-logging is only supposed to be >used by other components so that the application developer picks >the logging API that suits him best? That seems to be the intent of commons-logging. I h

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-28 Thread Ceki Gülcü
y or think won't matter. At 15:17 28.03.2002 -0800, you wrote: >On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Ceki Gülcü wrote: > > > True. It does encourage it, but only initially. On the long run, > > however, people will run into problems with their logging (as is > > happening now). They wi

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-28 Thread Ceki Gülcü
I am trying to say is that I would have liked to see jakarta present a more united front. Well, too bad... -- Ceki My link of the month: http://java.sun.com/aboutJava/standardization/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-28 Thread Ceki Gülcü
ind. Just as importantly, log4j documentation is going to get a massive boost with the upcoming log4j book. Sun's me-too strategy is bound to fail. The question is whether the bigger jakarta community is going to help us defeat JSR47 or stand in the way. -- Ceki My link of the month: http://j

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-28 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 15:10 28.03.2002 -0600, Morgan Delagrange wrote: >Where is this world where "everyone" uses Log4J? That world = (world - jakarta) -- Ceki My link of the month: http://java.sun.com/aboutJava/standardization/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For add

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-27 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Costin, Morgan, Rodney, Thanks for the lively discussion and sharing your points of view. My intent was to warn users of the dangers of using common-logging. I have done my bit. Cheers, Ceki At 16:31 27.03.2002 -0600, Morgan wrote: >I believe the order of precedence is well documented. I th

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-27 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 15:18 27.03.2002 -0600, Morgan Delagrange wrote: >Here's the problem, as I see it. > >Suppose Commons component A decides to adopt Log4J, Commons component B >decides to adopt LogKit, and Commons component C adopts JDK1.4 logging. >They will all minimally function with the right jars in the cla

RE: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-27 Thread Ceki Gülcü
led nor even >(necessarily) encouraged to use commons-logging. That's not what it's there >for. It's there to allow the library components to delegate that decision >to the containing application. I understand your argument. I have already exposed mine. Thanks for your attention. Ceki -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-26 Thread Ceki Gülcü
quot;a nickel of today for a promise of a penny tomorrow." As long as you are aware that the supposedly free-lunch may turn out to be an expensive and not so tasty meal after all... -- Ceki My link of the month: http://java.sun.com/aboutJava/standardization/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Why Sun won't certify JBoss (was Re: "Jakarta is not an open source project in the pure community sense anymore")

2002-03-23 Thread Ceki Gülcü
nk the barrier of entry is in the difficulty implementating the spec not in the licensing. It's going to be JBoss, Weblogic, and Webspere for a long time. As such, BEA and IBM will be thrilled to see a lower price -- assuming the price was high. Again, my claims are long on speculation and s

Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread Ceki Gülcü
ul for their own projects. (Those users may turn >into contributors over time!) >I cannot understand why Leo and Ceki refer to the document (and, >by implication, others like it) as "Marketing" - a term which >carries in this context clearly condescending connotations. >I d

Re: [OT] JCP rant

2002-03-21 Thread Ceki Gülcü
ults if run a >little more like Apache projects, with more opportunity for user feedback >in an open forum to mold the ultimate result into something useful. > >daniel > > > >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Ceki -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Jakarta Overview

2002-03-20 Thread Ceki Gülcü
09.Dec.01 (11 Entries for >2001) > > > > > > > > > > CVS, Javadoc, Source code, Documentation management > system, to allow you to browse multiple and remote source > repositoriesGenerate Javadoc across multiple java > projects. > > > Documentation: Sketchy > Version: None > News: ;None > > > > > Portable email server for all common formats. > Design goals are portability, protocol abstraction, > resource abstraction, mail transport and storage in > single server. > > Documentation: Uneven > Version: 2.0a2 > News: ;1.2.1 released 13. Dec. 00, > 2.0a2 released 01. Dec. 01 > > > > > Information Portal, making data available > via the web or a WAP-enabled phone. > Jetspeed is independent of content type. The actual > presentation of the data is handled via XSL and delivered > to the user for example via the combination of Java Server > Pages (JSPs) and HTML. > Jetspeed provides support for templating and content > publication frameworks such as Cocoon, WebMacro and > Velocity. > Jetspeed is built on top of Turbine. > > Documentation: Extensive, but unclear > Version: 1.3a2 > News: ;Last Entry: 2002/03/15 (confusing) > > > > > Official Reference Implementation of the > Servlet 2.2 and JSP 1.1 > > Documentation: Extensive > Version: 3.3 > News: ;About bi-weekly updates > > > > > Official Reference Implementation of the > Servlet 2.3 and JSP 1.2 > > Documentation: Extensive > Version: 4.0.3 > News: ;About bi-weekly updates > > > > > > > > ># Document ends here # > >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Ceki -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: cvs commit: jakarta-poi/build/jakarta-poi/docs/apidocs/org/apache/poi/util - New directory

2002-03-08 Thread Ceki Gülcü
releases up, etc. > >No one has taken me up on it. Via CVS is the ONLY way modifications can >be made to our website. Have you considered to just copy your files to the relevant directory on the web site? CVS is *not* necessary to manage the web site. -- Ceki -- To unsubscribe,

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-07 Thread Ceki Gulcu
>Ceki are you sure? >>I think we definitely need a solid document countering the >> idyllic but false world depicted >> by the FSF. > >I agree with comments you have made already, about the importance of licence >and legal to ASF, Jakarta, and individuals involved

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-07 Thread Ceki Gulcu
Hi Alex, You are absolutely right. I thought I had this one nailed but apparently not. Thank you for pointing out my mistake. Regards, Ceki >> Asunto: Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay? >> The "Working Without Copyleft" article is remarkably good. The point >&g

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-06 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 16:17 06.03.2002 -0600, you wrote: >-1 > >I'm not sure we need this at all. I disagree. I think we definitely need a solid document countering the idyllic but false world depicted by the FSF. It's just a gargantuan task to come up with a such a document. Regards, Ceki

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-06 Thread Ceki Gülcü
are contrary to our intentions. For example, they may clarify that the result of aspect-oriented weaving is subject to the terms of the LGPL, whereas we had intended that it is not. Another concern is who will be in charge of the Free Software Foundation 10 years from now, or what happens if the Free Software Foundation is discontinued? [LGPL, section 13] Licensing is a blackhole for time. It also happens to be central element in open source development. Its importance cannot be overstated. -- Ceki Gülcü -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: ASL vs. GPL page?

2002-03-05 Thread Ceki Gülcü
ieve in 10 lifetimes, yours humbly included. It is fascinating that he put so much energy in to this copyleft vision and how far he carried it. My hat is off to RMS. Regards, Ceki At 22:16 05.03.2002 +1100, you wrote: >Hi, > >Is there a page somewhere at apache.org, explaining why anyone wo

Re: cvs commit: jakarta-site/xdocs index.xml

2002-03-03 Thread Ceki Gülcü
sanctioned by the Jakarta project. I am undoing this change pending a decision by the PMC or any other collective decision. Regards, Ceki ps: I went away on vacation on the 23rd of February and came back just today so I could not react earlier

version numbers in jars

2002-02-21 Thread Ceki Gülcü
The following is from http://www.ibiblio.org/java/#recent I have a request to make of the log4j team, as well as all the other Java programmers at the Apache Project, IBM alphaWorks, Sun, and everyone else who distributes JAR archives. Could you please attach a version number to all your JARs? I

Re: Jakarta PMC Nomination - Rejection

2002-02-02 Thread Ceki Gülcü
ver had the pleasure of helping >develop. It will be around for a very long time and will eventually put >Bugzilla out of business. More info: <http://scarab.tigris.org/> > >thanks, > >-jon > > >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: PMC Nomination - Ceki Gulcu

2002-02-01 Thread Ceki Gülcü
31.01.2002 -0800, you wrote: >"Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I nominate Ceki Gulcu to be a candidate for the PMC election. >> >> Ceki is the force of nature behind log4j, a member of the ASF, until >> recently a member of the PMC,

Re: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml]

2002-01-30 Thread Ceki Gülcü
The Java Community Process (JCP) is not a "community" process at all. It's a way for Sun Inc. to claim they are open. You know it. I know it. Sun knows it. Let's stop deluding ourselves shall we? I say we move "that flaming fireball" to the home page of *Apache*.

Re: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??

2002-01-29 Thread Ceki Gulcu
In your opinion, what are the key factors in nurturing a developer community? -- Ceki > It is very easy to monday-morning quaterback and second guess the > decisions that were made in the distant past with perfect 20-20 > hindsight. Some might even find it amusing to single out so

[PATCH] xdocs/stylesheets/site.vsl

2002-01-28 Thread Ceki Gulcu
the printMeta macro and an iteration on all meta elements in $root. It's nothing much, possibly buggy and most definitely not as elegant as it should be. (I know very little about velocity and even less about anakia.) I have not applied the patch pending approval. Regards, Ceki Index:

Possiblly an attack, certainly a nuissance

2002-01-28 Thread Ceki Gulcu
Hi, Could we please disable posts from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to jakarta/apache lists. This person (or an impostor) has posted emails with the title "new photos from my party!" to many jakarta lists. The content of this mail is possibly a virus.

Re: [PROPOSAL] POI @ Jakarta

2002-01-17 Thread Ceki Gülcü
ed in using POI? Is the slide community interested? In addition, I don't see how a templating engine like Velocity could use POI, but again I am not an expert on the topic. -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [PROPOSAL] Jakarta PMC bylaws change

2002-01-16 Thread Ceki Gülcü
fective immediately, and an >election would be initiated. > >- Sam Ruby -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: More abuse of coding styles...

2002-01-10 Thread Ceki Gulcu
Micael, I guess my remarks on typing "this" do sound arrogant. Point well taken. Regards, Ceki --- Micael Padraig Og mac Grene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 07:07 PM 1/9/02 -0800, you wrote: > >Ceki Gülcü <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > &

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
; >> The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to >> vote. >> -Ambassador Kosh >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >-

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
ms to apply. Regards, Ceki At 20:24 09.01.2002 -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: >On 1/9/02 12:53 PM, "Jon Scott Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> on 1/9/02 6:49 AM, "Sam Ruby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Ted Husted wrote: &g

Re: [PATCH] jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/mail.xml

2002-01-09 Thread Ceki Gulcu
Done. I hope the actual patch contains less typos than my previous mail describing the patch. :-) --- Jon Scott Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 1/9/02 4:27 AM, "Ceki Gulcu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hello all, > > > &g

[PATCH] jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/mail.xml

2002-01-09 Thread Ceki Gulcu
awating approval. Regards, Ceki Index: xdocs/site/mail.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/mail.xml,v retrieving revision 1.20 diff -u -r1.20 mail.xml --- xdocs/site/mail.xml 8 Dec 2001 00:11:17 - 1.20

Re: Volunteer Wanted

2002-01-08 Thread Ceki Gülcü
other volunteers? Regards, Ceki At 14:57 08.01.2002 -0500, you wrote: >I'd say it should be the [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >and if anyone, including Paulo, want to help out with the Webmaster >emails, that would be great. > >Jon Scott Stevens wrote: >> >> I wa

RE: Commons Validator Packaging/Content

2002-01-07 Thread Ceki Gülcü
...they would have struggled to survive here... >> >> -jon > > >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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