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On 21-12-12 13:32, Arun Raghavan wrote:
> On 21 December 2012 17:36, Ciaran McCreesh
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:21:57 + Markos Chandras
>> wrote:
>>> Your tone is not appropriate for discussion. If you don't like
>>> the existing policy,
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote:
> I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers
> that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low activity
> packages for herds that are stretched way too thin, and are still
> contributing to the distro in man
On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Markos Chandras wrote:
> On 12/23/2012 02:06 AM, Doug Goldstein wrote:
>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Markos Chandras
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I see "free" as "dump a lot of orthogonally related packages on to
>> the herd that is listed but really the other he
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On 12/23/2012 02:06 AM, Doug Goldstein wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Markos Chandras
> wrote:
>>
>>
>
> I see "free" as "dump a lot of orthogonally related packages on to
> the herd that is listed but really the other herd members are
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Markos Chandras wrote:
>
> Finally, I am very proud with the work we are doing, especially Pacho
> who has been doing most of the work lately. We have managed to "free"
> many many packages and this was one of the reasons I formed the
> proxy-maintainers project, s
On 21 December 2012 22:50, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Markos,
>
>[...]
> Maybe you can understand that there is a disconnect between what
> people who have no experience from what you do and what you actually
> do? That was certainly the case for me, and maybe also for Doug. The
> documentation that I o
Markos,
Markos Chandras wrote:
> I totally disagree with the way Doug started this thread.
That's of course completely fair, but try to look beyond that, and
let's focus on how we can make things better for everyone.
> Calling us "brain dead" ?
Please read email even more carefully, especially
On Fri, 2012-12-21 at 10:46 +, Markos Chandras wrote:
> On 21 December 2012 08:49, Brian Dolbec wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 21:30 -0800, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote:
> >> I have several suggestions how we can improve things:
> >>
> >> 1. 3 months is too short period anyway.
> >>
> >> 2. Thi
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Arun Raghavan wrote:
> On 21 December 2012 17:36, Ciaran McCreesh
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:21:57 +
>> Markos Chandras wrote:
>>> Your tone is not appropriate for discussion. If you don't like the
>>> existing policy, bring it to the list with a bett
On 21 December 2012 18:02, Arun Raghavan wrote:
> On 21 December 2012 17:36, Ciaran McCreesh
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:21:57 +
>> Markos Chandras wrote:
>>> Your tone is not appropriate for discussion. If you don't like the
>>> existing policy, bring it to the list with a better
>>>
On 21 December 2012 17:36, Ciaran McCreesh
wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:21:57 +
> Markos Chandras wrote:
>> Your tone is not appropriate for discussion. If you don't like the
>> existing policy, bring it to the list with a better
>> attitude so we can try and discuss it. But given that you
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:21:57 +
Markos Chandras wrote:
> Your tone is not appropriate for discussion. If you don't like the
> existing policy, bring it to the list with a better
> attitude so we can try and discuss it. But given that you want to pick
> a fight with your email, I will most likel
On 21 December 2012 08:49, Brian Dolbec wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 21:30 -0800, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote:
>> On 12/20/12 7:21 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote:
>> > I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers
>> > that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low acti
On 21 December 2012 03:21, Doug Goldstein wrote:
> I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers
> that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low activity
> packages for herds that are stretched way too thin, and are still
> contributing to the distro in many ways
On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 21:30 -0800, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote:
> On 12/20/12 7:21 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote:
> > I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers
> > that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low activity
> > packages for herds that are stretched way to
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 6:30 AM, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
wrote:
> 3. I think what's important is to keep packages maintained. I consider
> maintainership to be a duty, not a privilege. If someone is listed in
> metadata.xml, but is not really maintaining the package, that creates a
> formal illusion t
El jue, 20-12-2012 a las 21:30 -0800, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." escribió:
> On 12/20/12 7:21 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote:
> > I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers
> > that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low activity
> > packages for herds that are stretched
El jue, 20-12-2012 a las 21:21 -0600, Doug Goldstein escribió:
> I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers
> that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low activity
> packages for herds that are stretched way too thin, and are still
> contributing to the distro
El jue, 20-12-2012 a las 21:21 -0600, Doug Goldstein escribió:
> I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers
> that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low activity
> packages for herds that are stretched way too thin, and are still
> contributing to the distro
On 12/20/12 7:21 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote:
> I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers
> that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low activity
> packages for herds that are stretched way too thin, and are still
> contributing to the distro in many ways other
Peter Stuge wrote:
> > I think the bar for keeping access should be kept low - they
> > shouldn't be forced to go find some trivial change to make just
> > to get their name in the logs.
>
> When I first started looking into becoming a Gentoo developer I got a
> very strong and very clear impressi
Rich Freeman wrote:
> I think the bar for keeping access should be kept low - they
> shouldn't be forced to go find some trivial change to make just
> to get their name in the logs.
When I first started looking into becoming a Gentoo developer I got a
very strong and very clear impression that thi
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote:
> I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers
> that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low activity
> packages for herds that are stretched way too thin, and are still
> contributing to the distro in man
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote:
> I could MAYBE understand it if they're consuming some valuable
> resource that we need to free up by retiring them. But instead they
> get a nasty-gram about their impending retirement and decide if that's
> how they are to be treated that
Doug Goldstein wrote:
> I'm really just trying to understand the sense in this.
I guess that it's a bias. Everyone wants active developers.
One way to achieve that is to retire anyone who isn't active.
I would prefer another approach, but I also understand that Gentoo
has had massive people issu
I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers
that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low activity
packages for herds that are stretched way too thin, and are still
contributing to the distro in many ways other than direct CVS commits
(e.g. overlays, user suppor
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