On 12/02/13 08:21, Ian Whyman wrote:
Guys,
Can we not just have a developer wide vote or something? This
instance clearly not going to resole itself.
It is a little bikeshed. Originally the virtual was ordered in a
way, then ordered in another and now we are discussing which one is
better
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:21 AM, Ian Whyman thev00...@gentoo.org wrote:
Can we not just have a developer wide vote or something? This instance
clearly not going to resole itself.
I don't think the average developer is really in a good position to
resolve this - it will just create a whole lot
On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:16:22 +0100
Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 12/02/13 08:21, Ian Whyman wrote:
Guys,
Can we not just have a developer wide vote or something? This
instance clearly not going to resole itself.
It is a little bikeshed. Originally the virtual was ordered
On 11/02/13 03:01, Alexis Ballier wrote:
Sorry, I was away this week end...
Not a problem, I should be reachable anytime today.
This is only because libav people do not care at all about what FFmpeg
defines, while FFmpeg seems to care more about its consumers and users
by trying to provide a
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:25:36 +0100
Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 11/02/13 03:01, Alexis Ballier wrote:
Sorry, I was away this week end...
Not a problem, I should be reachable anytime today.
Will ping you.
This is only because libav people do not care at all about what
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:22:16 +0100
Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
Alexis,
Alexis Ballier wrote:
All of this because ~10 people cannot work together, well, really,
thank you :)
Do you have experience from being in a similar situation? You are
being quite judgemental.
There are
Alexis - thanks a lot for the awesome response!
Alexis Ballier wrote:
'those who are right'
(Just a note that I am in no way invested in libav/ffmpeg, I merely
speak from experience with another fork.)
However, as I said, maybe with an incorrect tone, I do not think
libav ignoring what
Your whole email is derailing a bit from discussing the code at hand and
it is going deep down on the people, I'd rather not get there since it
gets totally unrelated the question at hand.
On 11/02/13 14:49, Alexis Ballier wrote:
All of this because ~10 people cannot work together, well, really,
Luca Barbato wrote:
May I point you that ~10 people were the majority of what was FFmpeg,
thus 10 people were enough to demote democratically the so called Leader
and that guy got the name from Fabrice as his personal decision?
There was probably a reason for Fabrice to do that, and majority
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:04:43 +0100
Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
Your whole email is derailing a bit from discussing the code at hand
and it is going deep down on the people, I'd rather not get there
since it gets totally unrelated the question at hand.
I'm not sure if you read my
On 11/02/13 22:33, Peter Stuge wrote:
Luca Barbato wrote:
May I point you that ~10 people were the majority of what was FFmpeg,
thus 10 people were enough to demote democratically the so called Leader
and that guy got the name from Fabrice as his personal decision?
There was probably a
Luca Barbato wrote:
Users will never be satisfied. But I guess you agree that API
compatibility will certainly avoid extra problems for users.
It is not related to users,
I was trying to come back on topic. :)
is related to me being called as swine a traitor and having death
threats.
Guys,
Can we not just have a developer wide vote or something? This instance
clearly not going to resole itself.
Sometimes it seems that endless mailing list threads are the Gentoo way,
its a surprise we get anything done!
Ian
On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 15:12:15 +0100
Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/02/13 22:46, Alexis Ballier wrote:
On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:41:04 +0100
Maciej Mrozowski reave...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday 07 of February 2013 06:52:44 Peter Stuge wrote:
Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
we as
On 08/02/13 22:46, Alexis Ballier wrote:
On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:41:04 +0100
Maciej Mrozowski reave...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday 07 of February 2013 06:52:44 Peter Stuge wrote:
Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
we as gentoo will provide both while preffered default will be
what major distros use.
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
I hope somebody not Libav nor FFmpeg committer could come up with a
pros-cons list.
++, but frankly the committers are probably in the best place to do
any evaluation even if they likely have some bias. If you wanted to
On Thursday 07 of February 2013 06:52:44 Peter Stuge wrote:
Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
we as gentoo will provide both while preffered default will be what
major distros use.
What kind of careless mainstream attitude is that? Really?
Quite the opposite, decision to use implementation A over B
On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:41:04 +0100
Maciej Mrozowski reave...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday 07 of February 2013 06:52:44 Peter Stuge wrote:
Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
we as gentoo will provide both while preffered default will be
what major distros use.
What kind of careless mainstream
Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
we as gentoo will provide both while preffered default will be what
major distros use.
What kind of careless mainstream attitude is that? Really?
I mean: You are saying that given two options, Gentoo will do
whatever major distros are doing.
(Never mind that Gentoo *is* a
Dne St 16. ledna 2013 17:09:07, Alexis Ballier napsal(a):
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:02 + (UTC)
Tomas Chvatal (scarabeus) scarab...@gentoo.org wrote:
scarabeus13/01/16 12:40:02
Modified: ChangeLog
Added:ffmpeg-9.ebuild
Removed:
On 16 January 2013 20:09, Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:02 + (UTC)
Tomas Chvatal (scarabeus) scarab...@gentoo.org wrote:
scarabeus13/01/16 12:40:02
Modified: ChangeLog
Added:ffmpeg-9.ebuild
Removed:
2013/1/17 Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org:
On 16 January 2013 20:09, Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:02 + (UTC)
Tomas Chvatal (scarabeus) scarab...@gentoo.org wrote:
scarabeus13/01/16 12:40:02
Modified: ChangeLog
Added:
On 17 January 2013 09:41, Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree. This is a big change so there should be a discussion about
this or at least an announcement that this is going to happen on the
Xth of February. Did you actually test that the tree is ready for
libav as the default
Ideally we would have had a discussion here, and we could still have one.
On the other hand I have used libav and mplayer2 for a long time, and have
not run into any problems. The only thing missing is mencoder.
I'm not opposing this change, but I also don't know enough of the details
of
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On 17/01/13 12:02, Ben de Groot wrote:
I have used libav and mplayer2 for a long time, and have not run
into any problems. The only thing missing is mencoder.
+1
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2013/1/17 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org:
On the other hand I have used libav and mplayer2 for a long time, and have
not run into any problems. The only thing missing is mencoder.
Which is sovled by the mplayer1 supporting libav since yesterday. :-)
On 17/01/2013 06:31, Samuli Suominen wrote:
The tree definately isn't ready for libav so +1 from me, I almost
changed it back myself already but to avoid stupid commit wars didn't.
I disagree with the tree isn't ready for libav — I can add myself to
Ben and Alexander on having used libav for
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:41:58 +0100
Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
On testing there should be nothing broken apart from xbmc, where
Alexis is one of upstream devs and he seems not to give fuck about
making it work under both.
Please check the facts before making false
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:22:21 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
[...]
But also, if you say that the tree isn't ready because of the bugs I
opened — remember that I'm not going to test ffmpeg any time soon. I
do reserve the right to not give a damn about software whose
On 17/01/2013 14:19, Alexis Ballier wrote:
Nice mix of two different hats. I liked to think the tinderbox was
something you were doing for gentoo QA, but it seems it serves also
your personal wars...
I'm not on payroll for either hat so I don't see any conflict with that.
The tinderbox is a
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:26:54 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
[...]
ffmpeg is in the same list as paludis and will not, ever, be tested on
my boxes, as long as it's a personal effort. Are you going to pay me
to run it? If the answer is no, please fuck off or run your own.
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:41:58 +0100
Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
So yes it works and should not pose any issues to user. I also
announced it over blog to get people report more issues they find out
so I can be really sure it works out. It turned out the mplayer1
really
On 17/01/2013 15:00, Alexis Ballier wrote:
I was only pointing out that ffmpeg isn't a one person thing, it's much
more that this one (or more) person who insulted you.
You weren't pointing that out at all:
Nice mix of two different hats. I liked to think the tinderbox was
something you
Samuli Suominen wrote:
I almost changed it back myself already but to avoid stupid commit
wars didn't.
Interesting comment considering how blazing fast you were to commit
a change of the default for another forked project.
It's just another fork, not an upgrade.
Interesting comment indeed.
On 17/01/13 15:07, Alexis Ballier wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:41:58 +0100
Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
So yes it works and should not pose any issues to user. I also
announced it over blog to get people report more issues they find out
so I can be really sure it works
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:10:18 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
On 17/01/2013 15:00, Alexis Ballier wrote:
I was only pointing out that ffmpeg isn't a one person thing, it's
much more that this one (or more) person who insulted you.
You weren't pointing that out at
Diego Elio Pettenò posted on Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:10:18 +0100 as excerpted:
And all of them are invited to either decide to let me decide how to
spend my time and dime, or actually pay me for said time.
To be clear I'm not in a position to offer, and I definitely respect and
value your
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:32 AM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
To be clear I'm not in a position to offer, and I definitely respect and
value your volunteer work, but suppose someone /was/ sufficiently
interested in something like ffmpeg to be willing to pay for a tinderbox
run on it.
Diego Elio Pettenò posted on Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:04:50 +0100 as excerpted:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:32 AM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
To be clear I'm not in a position to offer, and I definitely respect
and value your volunteer work, but suppose someone /was/ sufficiently
interested
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:02 + (UTC)
Tomas Chvatal (scarabeus) scarab...@gentoo.org wrote:
scarabeus13/01/16 12:40:02
Modified: ChangeLog
Added:ffmpeg-9.ebuild
Removed: ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild
Log:
Add new virtual for 1.1/9
On 16/01/13 21:09, Alexis Ballier wrote:
More seriously: Why ? Who decided this ?
I never pushed my weight over it before since as you are involved in
FFmpeg directly, I am involved in Libav directly.
Thus anything I say on this topic has a clear bias. Same goes for you.
Tomas is not related
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:39:04 +0100
Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 16/01/13 21:09, Alexis Ballier wrote:
More seriously: Why ? Who decided this ?
I never pushed my weight over it before since as you are involved in
FFmpeg directly, I am involved in Libav directly.
I don't know
On 16/01/13 22:31, Alexis Ballier wrote:
interesting, did they report it? OTOH, they switched _after_ the 2.0.5
release which happens to be the latest one. Since vlc is probably the
ffmpeg/libav interface the most popular in the world (due to their
windows and mac builds), I'd like to see an
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:52:52 +0100
Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 16/01/13 22:31, Alexis Ballier wrote:
interesting, did they report it? OTOH, they switched _after_ the
2.0.5 release which happens to be the latest one. Since vlc is
probably the ffmpeg/libav interface the most
On 16/01/13 22:09, Alexis Ballier wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:40:02 + (UTC)
Tomas Chvatal (scarabeus) scarab...@gentoo.org wrote:
scarabeus13/01/16 12:40:02
Modified: ChangeLog
Added:ffmpeg-9.ebuild
Removed: ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild
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