No wonder changes to the registry are so often needed on
Windows machines in order to configure advanced behaviour.
I think the registry is just pure evil - a great place for
virii/worms/spyware to hide stuff...
I always get a kick out of this kind of thing: bashing the Windows
registry,
Hi markknecht,
you know you have posted the
SAME POST
43
TIMES
do you?
F.
On Thu, 2005-03-31 at 07:00 +0100, Mark Knecht wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:35, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Most folks, where work is concerned, expect to have the computer 'just
work'. Your boss wants you to show up at 8 am and be productive for 8
hours, not spend time figuring out the innards (unless that, of course, is
what you're paid to do
Nicolas Bailey wrote:
I think you are being a little unfair in your judgement. Thinking to
look in /etc/init.d, etc. relies on at least some knowledge that not
every Gentoo user will have (esp. the newer variety). The same is
true in the case above. Either you didn't know or didn't immediately
We can't make Linux better and ready for the desktop-- which does
*not* mean we have to do everything via a GUI, dagnabit; people can
certainly use the command-line comfortably *if they know how*-- unless
we identify where people are falling over it and how to remove the
obstacles to their
*sigh* I guess I just have to get over the fact that such a simple oversight
has marked me a typical windows user, but seeing as how no one wants to leave
my name out of this, I might as well try to respond constructively.
As has been said, some people, like myself, are just a little newer to
Much of this is already possible actually. There is certainly nothing that
can't be automated or configured in gentoo with effort. However, distros like
Mandrake already hide startup output via splash screen and allow configuration
of just about everything through KDE and their own tools. I'm
quoth the Dave Nebinger:
We can't make Linux better and ready for the desktop-- which does
*not* mean we have to do everything via a GUI, dagnabit; people can
certainly use the command-line comfortably *if they know how*-- unless
we identify where people are falling over it and how to
Why does something have to act/look like Windows to be ready for the
desktop. If that's what you need/want just use Windows already!
It's not that the next OS has to act/look like windows to supplant windows,
it's a question of usability...
There's a lot of research that has been done and is
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
http://business.newsforge.com/business/05/03/23/1755222.shtml?tid=152tid=2tid=37tid=18
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop
for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees: [snip]
ATT disagrees: [snip]
Various governments disagree: [double-snip for an nytimes link]
The tide is turning.
Only if you can't see the
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
My biggest worry now is Internet predators. I wish there was a real
solution for that sort of stuff under Linux, like Net-nanny etc. under
Windows. That's what scares me as a parent.
Heard of squid? It's only the standard proxy for linux-based systems and
kicks the crap out of net nanny...
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
quoth the Dave Nebinger:
Why does something have to act/look like Windows to be ready for the
desktop. If that's what you need/want just use Windows already!
It's not that the next OS has to act/look like windows to supplant windows,
it's a question of usability...
There's a lot of
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
Why does something have to act/look like Windows to be ready for the
desktop. If that's what you need/want just use Windows already!
It's not that the next OS has to act/look like windows to supplant
windows,
it's a question of usability...
There's a lot of research that has been
Okay, mailing list question...
I received six different copies of Mark's message...
Granted he did cross post to gentoo-user@gentoo.org and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] so I can understand getting two copies, but
six?
No offense to you, Mark, but was this something he did or something that
either the
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
I received six different copies of Mark's message...
Make that 8 copies now...
Looked at the actual message headers and other than repeats for mailing list
stuff (see below), there's nothing really helpful in identifying the problem
source...
Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Original-To:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Mark Knecht wrote:
Where Linux won't happen on the desktop in any big way is in the home.
Configuration is too difficult. Until all configuration for a standard
home machine can be handled in gui apps somewhere it won't work since
Grandma and her 7 year old grand daughter
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 03:35:39PM -0500, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Is an icon simpler than terse text? Yes.
Is it better? No.
And it is seen across more
industries than just the computer industry. Sewing machines now come with
buttons with images representing the type of stitch rather than
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Only if you can't see the hype and hidden agendas of those folks. Novell
wants you to buy into it to build a consumer base for their own flavor
(which, on the surface, looks and acts a lot like windows).
Err, its SuSE actually.
Also, they are
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
Make that 8 copies now...
You're not the only one -- I've received a copy every fifteen minutes
for the last few hours - and it wasn't just his... sigh
--
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
(I'm going to assume a medium to large business here, which actually seems to
be where the business end of this argument has been focusing)
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 12:35, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Most folks, where work is concerned, expect to have the computer 'just
work'. Your boss wants you
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Mar 30, 2005, at 2:20 pm, Dave Nebinger wrote:
2. Totally configurable via gui - no low-level file editing. As power
users this is something that we want/need, but the windows user
expects to
pull up a dialog for the program and click checkboxes to turn things
on and
off. I can just
We are beings
designed to work naturally from symbols, signs, and icons; not terse textual
messages.
snip
This is
why symbols and analogies are not good and dangerous in this case. Most
errors of inexperienced users can be explained by this. And if you
really understood the concepts
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 05:35:33PM -0500, James Hiscock wrote:
I'd just like to point out that text is _also_ a sign.
It is a sign, but not a analogy (unless you write in ancient egypt).
Otherwise people would not have takes offense by Apple Macintoshs practice
of ejecting a floppy when you put
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:57:10 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Unfortunately, Holly, I don't think linux will be ready for the desktop for
quite awhile (yes, that does make me sad).
Novell disagrees:
Dave V wrote:
You got me looking in the right places at least. Turned out that the
offending file was in /etc/conf.d. I somehow managed to insert a random
B character on line 6 of /etc/conf.d/hdparm. Thanks for the help all.
On (2005-03-28 12:54), A. Khattri wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Dave V
Wow, that was a long read.
Let me first say that I'm a little bit insulted at having my post compared to a
typical Windows user :P.
With that out of the way, it really wasn't a very clear message. I knew that
the two lines
/var/lib/init.d/depcache: line 6: B: command not found
/sbin/rc: line
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Holly Bostick wrote:
In any case, Dave still had to search for the typo one way or another
even with the advice; this was unavoidable. But the error message
already contained the information on where to start the search (and in
fact what was wrong, by indicating that
In any case, Dave still had to search for the typo one way or another
even with the advice; this was unavoidable. But the error message
already contained the information on where to start the search (and in
fact what was wrong, by indicating that there was a typo somewhere). So
what I am
OK, now that the problem has been solved, I'd like to ask a question
about why this was a problem in the first place. Not getting on you,
Dave, I'm just curious about a user psychology issue.
I think what you are seeing is that people will see and respond to
different errors differently. As
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Dave Nebinger wrote:
Hmm, I take issue with the inference that the message was understandable.
As Holly said earlier - not really talking about you specifically.
The error message itself pointed to the depcache file, yet the error was in
a script in /etc/init.d. Yes,
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