Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

On 07/08/2024 14:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hello, Wol. On Tue, Aug 06, 2024 at 23:08:42 +0100, Wol wrote: On 06/08/2024 19:31, Alan Mackenzie wrote: So, is it possible in Wayland to record a configuration of windows, their sizes and positions, then restore these on starting a program again? I

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

Hello, Wol. On Tue, Aug 06, 2024 at 23:08:42 +0100, Wol wrote: > On 06/08/2024 19:31, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > So, is it possible in Wayland to record a configuration of windows, > > their sizes and positions, then restore these on starting a program > > again? If not, that would appear to be a

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

On Wednesday, 7 August 2024 10:04:28 BST Matt Jolly wrote: > Hi, > > On 6/8/24 02:58, Wols Lists wrote: > > Last I investigated, sddm had a *hard* dependency on X11. So even if > > you're running a Wayland system (like I am) you need X installed so that > sddm will work. > > > That's not quite

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

Hi, On 6/8/24 02:58, Wols Lists wrote: > Last I investigated, sddm had a *hard* dependency on X11. So even if you're running a Wayland system (like I am) you need X installed so that sddm will work. That's not quite correct; it's been possible to run SDDM directly as a Wayland session for q

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

On 06/08/2024 22:40, Arsen Arsenović wrote: That's indeed the case, XDG and freedesktop and the X consortium being behind Wayland certainly helped adoption. Well, Wayland is - effectively - X13. Cheers, Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

hi Alan, thank you for maintaining CC mode :-) it is endlessly useful in my day-to-day. to preface, I'm not a wayland protocol expert; I've had to debug clients and servers a few times, view communications between clients and servers some others, experimented with some patches, but I haven't wri

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

On 06/08/2024 19:31, Alan Mackenzie wrote: So, is it possible in Wayland to record a configuration of windows, their sizes and positions, then restore these on starting a program again? If not, that would appear to be a design bug in Wayland. What am I missing? That - unlike X - is because wi

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

"J. Aho" writes: > On 06/08/2024 15.56, Arsen Arsenović wrote: >> "J. Aho" writes: >> >>> On 05/08/2024 18.30, Daniel Frey wrote: Is it just me or is wayland nowhere near primetime? >>> >>> There are still issues with wayland, not sure how up to date this page is: >>> https://gist.github.c

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

Daniel Frey writes: > On 8/6/24 06:56, Arsen Arsenović wrote: >> "J. Aho" writes: >> - Wayland breaks screensavers - ironically, those never worked on X, but >>do on wayland, because the compositor can actually redirect keys >>properly rather than trying to patchwork around X > > I actua

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

On 06/08/2024 15.56, Arsen Arsenović wrote: "J. Aho" writes: On 05/08/2024 18.30, Daniel Frey wrote: Is it just me or is wayland nowhere near primetime? There are still issues with wayland, not sure how up to date this page is: https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

Hello, Arsen. On Tue, Aug 06, 2024 at 15:56:40 +0200, Arsen Arsenović wrote: > "J. Aho" writes: > > On 05/08/2024 18.30, Daniel Frey wrote: > >> Is it just me or is wayland nowhere near primetime? > > There are still issues with wayland, not sure how up to date this page is: > > https://gist.gi

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

On 8/6/24 06:56, Arsen Arsenović wrote: "J. Aho" writes: - Wayland breaks screensavers - ironically, those never worked on X, but do on wayland, because the compositor can actually redirect keys properly rather than trying to patchwork around X I actually forgot about this one - the scr

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

Wols Lists writes: > On 05/08/2024 17:30, Daniel Frey wrote: >> 1. Logins don't work reliably. I use KDE/SDDM and when logging in it appears >> to start on a new VT and sometime it doesn't start. Or it will start the new >> VT and fail to switch to it, leaving a text console and a blinking >> cur

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

Daniel Frey writes: > Is it just me or is wayland nowhere near primetime? > > I did a switchover to systemd/wayland some time ago and it seemed to solve > some > problems I had. > > The problem is it also came with so many more issues than it fixed: > > 1. Logins don't work reliably. I use KDE/S

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

On Monday, 5 August 2024 23:56:02 BST Daniel Frey wrote: > On 8/5/24 09:58, Wols Lists wrote: > > On 05/08/2024 17:30, Daniel Frey wrote: > >> 1. Logins don't work reliably. I use KDE/SDDM and when logging in it > >> appears to start on a new VT and sometime it doesn't start. Or it will > >> start

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

"J. Aho" writes: > On 05/08/2024 18.30, Daniel Frey wrote: >> Is it just me or is wayland nowhere near primetime? > > There are still issues with wayland, not sure how up to date this page is: > https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277 it's either out of date or fearmon

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

On Monday, 5 August 2024 17:30:56 BST Daniel Frey wrote: > Is it just me or is wayland nowhere near primetime? > > I did a switchover to systemd/wayland some time ago and it seemed to > solve some problems I had. > > The problem is it also came with so many more issues than it fixed: > > 1. Logi

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

On Tuesday, 6 August 2024 09:29:15 BST byte.size...@simplelogin.com wrote: > On 05/08/2024 23:56, Daniel Frey wrote: > > I'm glad I'm not the only one having problems. It does make me wonder > > though if the discrete video card (nvidia) is the cause of some/most of > > these problems. > > If I we

Re: [Possible phishing attempt] Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

On 05/08/2024 23:56, Daniel Frey wrote: I'm glad I'm not the only one having problems. It does make me wonder though if the discrete video card (nvidia) is the cause of some/most of these problems. If I were to 'guess', I think it's the Nvidia drivers and less to do with Wayland implementatio

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

On 05/08/2024 18.30, Daniel Frey wrote: Is it just me or is wayland nowhere near primetime? There are still issues with wayland, not sure how up to date this page is: https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277 My SailfishOS based phone uses wayland and on that it's been

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

Daniel Frey wrote: > Is it just me or is wayland nowhere near primetime? > > I did a switchover to systemd/wayland some time ago and it seemed to > solve some problems I had. > > The problem is it also came with so many more issues than it fixed: > > 1. Logins don't work reliably. I use KDE/SDDM an

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

On 8/5/24 09:42, Waldo Lemmer wrote: On Mon, Aug 5, 2024, 18:31 Daniel Frey > wrote: 2. Sometimes video hardware acceleration just doesn't work. Now I do have a discrete nVidia card with the proprietary driver, but I switched to nouveau and it didn't work ei

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

On 8/5/24 09:58, Wols Lists wrote: On 05/08/2024 17:30, Daniel Frey wrote: 1. Logins don't work reliably. I use KDE/SDDM and when logging in it appears to start on a new VT and sometime it doesn't start. Or it will start the new VT and fail to switch to it, leaving a text console and a blinkin

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

On 05/08/2024 17:30, Daniel Frey wrote: 1. Logins don't work reliably. I use KDE/SDDM and when logging in it appears to start on a new VT and sometime it doesn't start. Or it will start the new VT and fail to switch to it, leaving a text console and a blinking cursor. This didn't happen when us

Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

On Mon, Aug 5, 2024, 18:31 Daniel Frey wrote: > 2. Sometimes video hardware acceleration just doesn't work. Now I do > have a discrete nVidia card with the proprietary driver, but I switched > to nouveau and it didn't work either. Again, not an issue in X11. > > I have a nVidia RTX 3070 Ti. Aft

[gentoo-user] Lots of issues with wayland

Is it just me or is wayland nowhere near primetime? I did a switchover to systemd/wayland some time ago and it seemed to solve some problems I had. The problem is it also came with so many more issues than it fixed: 1. Logins don't work reliably. I use KDE/SDDM and when logging in it appears