Re: Debian comments

2000-11-09 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Benjamin Scott wrote: > I want my packages to be inanimate objects. I want to be able to run the > install operation with the confidence that is is going to be safe, secure, and > nearly always successful. Configuration is a wholly separate process, and not > one that belo

Re: TCP Timeout and RSH

2000-11-09 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Brian Boerner wrote: > So I've got a bunch of scripts that rsh to systems > and run some tests. The only problem is the tests > exectute and close and a new rsh is issued. The rsh > is refused because it comes in on the same socket as > the previous one. I'm assuming this is f

Re: vmware --display 0:0

2000-11-09 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, cdowns wrote: > anyone run into the problem ( even on version 2.0.1 updated to: 2.0.3 ) > where you try to swap to full screen and you get the error: > > X-Display is not local (Display name does not begin with a ":" ) > Can't swith to full screen mode. > > im running VMware

Re: DNS Woes

2000-11-09 Thread Bob Bell
On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 02:30:02PM -0500, Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nonsense. If you have your own DNS server, it can do Internet queries > when your link comes up. If the link goes down, you still need it to do > local queries (the scenario here is most likely the DNS server is

Re: Speaking of RPM...

2000-11-09 Thread Paul Iadonisi
On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 01:10:02PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've got one for you RPM fans: I wanna wipe my (beta) KDE slate clean > to go to KDE 2.x, so, naturally, I want to remove the old RPMS. > > # rpm -e kdeadmin-1.94-2928.rh62 > error: "kdeadmin-1.94-2928.rh62" specifies m

Linux News and the LUG (was: What do you want to hear about?)

2000-11-09 Thread Benjamin Scott
Bruce Dawson sent this to me in private email, but I think it's good enough an idea to warrant discussing on the list: On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Bruce Dawson wrote: > One standing topic I'd like to hear is "what's been happening in the > linux world since the last meeting". Along with upcoming event

Re: Debian flamewar

2000-11-09 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Jeffry Smith wrote: >> Hardware detection is basically non-existent. > > That's been my major complaint with Debian, and it's a one-time complaint. The "you only install once" argument is a major fallacy, and it is time to burst that bubble. I work for a systems integr

Business terms (was: Vitts DSL)

2000-11-09 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Michael O'Donnell wrote: > What does SOHO mean? Small Office/Home Office. "The industry" divides users into the following (very rough) categories: Home: The family that browses the web, reads email, and downloads MP3s. Maybe Junior writes his term papers on it. SOHO

Re: Additional Debian v. RPM comment

2000-11-09 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Ed Lawson wrote: > There were RPMS on the download site for RH7 so I downloaded the RPM and > promptly tried to install it. No go. Failed dependency for a library. I wouldn't touch a Red Hat x.0 release with a 1024-bit pointer, but on Red Hat 6.2 at least, "rpmfind mahogan

Re: Debian package names (was Re: Debian flamewar)

2000-11-09 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, James R. Van Zandt wrote: > The information is in the Contents file, e.g. > >/debian/dists/potato/Contents-i386.gz Now *that* is something I wish Red Hat had! :-) -- Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Net Technologies, Inc. Voice: (800)905-3049 x18

Re: Debian comments

2000-11-09 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > I was disappointed to find a few things missing from the dpkg tools, or > more properly, from the philosophy: See! I'm not the only right-thinking person around here... ;-) > [Debian] Packages seem to be FAR too dependent on pre/post > install/uninst

Basic Linux Security (was Re: Security presentation?)

2000-11-09 Thread Suzanne Hillman
I am, by *no* means, a security expert, but... I've found securityfocus[1] to be quite useful, both for their online info and for their multitude of mailing lists, specifically: focus-linux[2] has been interesting (especially on the days that gnhlug and focus-linux echo each other...). security

Re: Debian comments

2000-11-09 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: > With the exception of a proprietary package in binary form only, why not just > use the source? For all of the reasons you use package management tools in the first place: - Build once, install many (BOIM?) - Database of packages and the files the

Security presentation? (was: What do ... Emacs tips and tricks)

2000-11-09 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Derek Martin wrote: >> I would also like to hear something on LINUX security (for Newbies). > > Being someone who knows a good bit about security (though I don't really > consider myself an expert), I really don't think one could give an > effective or useful presentation on s

Re: Debian flamewar

2000-11-09 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, James R. Van Zandt wrote: >> They don't include Netscape on *any* of the *three* CDs that come >> with the "Official" distribution. > > I found this on the third CD of my set from Linux Central: > /cdrom/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/web/mozilla_M14-2.deb No you didn't. Y

Re: Vitts DSL (was: ISP question)

2000-11-09 Thread Kurth Bemis
At 08:49 PM 11/9/2000 -0500, Michael O'Donnell wrote: > >[Vitts] guarantee 99% availability. That includes better > >then 50 ms round trip time to their Internet access point, > >and better then 5% packet loss. If you unplug your DSL NTD, > >ten minutes later, your phone will ring, with a Vitt

Re: Debian flamewar

2000-11-09 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, James R. Van Zandt wrote: >> dpkg lacks quite a bit of the power of RPM when it comes to >> querying installed packages. There is no way to select packages >> based on a file owned, for example. > > vanzandt:/tmp$ dpkg --search /bin/fgrep > grep: /bin/fgrep No. That t

Re: Vitts DSL (was: ISP question)

2000-11-09 Thread Michael O'Donnell
>[Vitts] guarantee 99% availability. That includes better >then 50 ms round trip time to their Internet access point, >and better then 5% packet loss. If you unplug your DSL NTD, >ten minutes later, your phone will ring, with a Vitts tech on >the line asking if everything is okay. > >All their

Re: ISP question

2000-11-09 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Jeffry Smith wrote: > I use mv.com, and have been very happy. I've heard good things about them, too. > ... starting a rollout of DSL around the state (alas, I'm 38,000 feet from > the CO) ... Find out if you are coming out of a SLIC (Subscriber Line Interface Card) subs

Vitts DSL (was: ISP question)

2000-11-09 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Cole Tuininga wrote: > Of the 5 or so people/companies I've know to use Vitts, every single one > of them has switched away. Their network is unreliable at best, their > tech support very unhelpful, their billing department is completely > unaware of anything that is actually

Re: vmware --display 0:0

2000-11-09 Thread Jeffry Smith
Is the above what you are typing in to start vmware? If so try: vmware --display :0.0 or vmware --display unix:0.0 jeff On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, cdowns wrote: > Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 16:32:47 -0500 > From: cdowns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: vmware --display 0:0 > > anyo

Re: vmware --display 0:0

2000-11-09 Thread kend
Well, I haven't bumped into it, but judging by the error message, I might try: (bash) export DISPLAY=:0 (csh) setenv DISPLAY :0 -Ken On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, cdowns wrote: > anyone run into the problem ( even on version 2.0.1 updated to: 2.0.3 ) > where you try to swap to full screen and you get

update on network printing

2000-11-09 Thread Anderw G. Bacchi
I took your advice and upgraded lpr to the newest version I could find, lpr-0.50-4. This solved the remote printing problem I had. Thanks to all of you for your suggestions. -- Andrew G. Bacchi System Manager Hanover Capital Management (dba AIRS) 35 So. Main St. Hanover, NH 03755 603 643-8789 o

vmware --display 0:0

2000-11-09 Thread cdowns
anyone run into the problem ( even on version 2.0.1 updated to: 2.0.3 ) where you try to swap to full screen and you get the error: X-Display is not local (Display name does not begin with a ":" ) Can't swith to full screen mode. im running VMware as a user, ive hunted on VMware's site with no l

oracle for intel-linux

2000-11-09 Thread Rob Yelle
I have installed Oracle (8.0.5) for linux on a red hat 5.2 machine today. (scott tiger ) Can I get some feed back from others who have done the same. I wanted to here what others (DBA types) have done to tune the custom install VS going the default route. Rob from no.weare ***

Re: Speaking of RPM...

2000-11-09 Thread Jeffry Smith
On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Ken Ambrose wrote: > (My apologies if this is a repeat; I sent this from a different account, > and haven't seen it show up, so I'm assuming the list filters out > non-subscribers?) > Sort of, it sends them to the admin for review. However, you can also sign up with [EMAIL

Speaking of RPM...

2000-11-09 Thread kend
I've got one for you RPM fans: I wanna wipe my (beta) KDE slate clean to go to KDE 2.x, so, naturally, I want to remove the old RPMS. # rpm -e kdeadmin-1.94-2928.rh62 error: "kdeadmin-1.94-2928.rh62" specifies multiple packages # rpm -q -a | grep kdeadmin kdeadmin-1.94-2928.rh62 kde

TCP Timeout and RSH

2000-11-09 Thread Brian Boerner
So I've got a bunch of scripts that rsh to systems and run some tests. The only problem is the tests exectute and close and a new rsh is issued. The rsh is refused because it comes in on the same socket as the previous one. I'm assuming this is for security purposes. You wouldn't want anyone piggy

Re: Penguin omebrewing... [Was RE: What do you want to hear about?]

2000-11-09 Thread Brian Chabot
I am a mead brewer myself, though it has been a while due to not having gotten around to cleaning my carbouy afer my last move (eew.). At the moment it is soaking and will hopefully be full of bubbling honey water. On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Carl Helmers wrote: > Anyone for a homebrew tasting? Or

Re: DNS Woes

2000-11-09 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: > Isn't that the way DHCP works? It overwrites /etc/resolv.conf everytime? Yes though with some versions of DCHP you can modify this behavior. > Why should it matter, for the most part, if you're not connected to > the net except when you dial up through

Re: No Nashua meetings in Nov/Dec [was Re: Debian presentation]

2000-11-09 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: > Please be aware that there is no November Meeting, since it would fall on the > day before Thanksgiving, and there probably won't be a December meeting since > that would be 2 days after Christmas. Why not just change the week? Perhaps a bit late to s

ApplixWare Holiday offer

2000-11-09 Thread Jerry Kubeck
As I announced at the Keene State NUN, VistaSource has contacted me once again and is offering the ApplixWare Suite again at the promotional price of $39.99 Below is the email telling anyone who wants to get a copy, what to do. Jerry Hey LUG members!!! Here are the details you need to get your

Re: Speaking of RPM...

2000-11-09 Thread Rich Payne
try... rpm -e --allmatches --rdp On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Ken Ambrose wrote: > (My apologies if this is a repeat; I sent this from a different account, > and haven't seen it show up, so I'm assuming the list filters out > non-subscribers?) > > I've got one for you RPM fans: I wanna wipe

Speaking of RPM...

2000-11-09 Thread Ken Ambrose
(My apologies if this is a repeat; I sent this from a different account, and haven't seen it show up, so I'm assuming the list filters out non-subscribers?) I've got one for you RPM fans: I wanna wipe my (beta) KDE slate clean to go to KDE 2.x, so, naturally, I want to remove the old RPMS. # rp

Re: network printing problem

2000-11-09 Thread Anderw G. Bacchi
> Thanks to all of you who took the time to answer. I certainly asked in > the right place. I failed to mention in my original question, that I created the /etc/hosts.lpd file, and restarted the lpd daemon on each system. (my error for being so lame). Mike Ledoux seems to have a good suggestion

RE: ISP question - Thanx!!

2000-11-09 Thread Lawrence.Tilly
Thanx for all the suggestions. It'll make my research much easier. There was one suggestion to keep my current service, connect w/ Win then run Linux behind that on another box...that was actually my initial plan, but my Linux box (old 486/100) died a horrible death about a week ago. Last nigh

Re: ISP question

2000-11-09 Thread Jeffry Smith
On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Tilly, Lawrence wrote: > Hello, all. My wife & I anticipate building a house this spring and have > therefore not committed to any long-term ISP situation. Instead we've just > been using various freebie providers for Win (netzero, altavista, etc). The > way these are set u

Re: Additional Debian v. RPM comment

2000-11-09 Thread Jeffry Smith
On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: > In a message dated: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 07:30:46 PST > "Karl J. Runge" said: > > >Does it also tell you which *other* applications on the machine it just broke > >because it upgraded a library or system tool? > > If it needs to upgrade anything, it tell

Re: network printing problem

2000-11-09 Thread Cole Tuininga
On Nov 9, Anderw G. Bacchi claimed: > I am using RH Linux v6.2, and LPD on all systems. I have one system set > up as the print server, and I can print to a HP LJ6p sucessfully from > the local lp queue. I have set up a print queue on another system that > points to the print server queue. Thi

Re: ISP question

2000-11-09 Thread Michael O'Donnell
>I was wondering if anyone knows of a Linux-friendly freebie >ISP (does anyone even do banner ads in X?) or even a pay >service that's affordable (<$20), Linux knowledgeable and >allows month-to-month (no contract). I notice that when my friends with AOL are connected to AOL, their computers

network printing problem

2000-11-09 Thread Anderw G. Bacchi
Hello all, I have set up many print queues on both Open VMS and Unix, but I admit I am stumpped with this one. I am using RH Linux v6.2, and LPD on all systems. I have one system set up as the print server, and I can print to a HP LJ6p sucessfully from the local lp queue. I have set up a print

Re: ISP question

2000-11-09 Thread Cole Tuininga
Benjamin Scott wrote: > > > > The company I work for is a Vitts reseller, and Vitts covers that area with > their DSL presence. We're currently running specials -- get the 272 Kbit/sec > DSL for the 144 Kbit/sec price. Sign a term commitment, and they wave the > install fee. Call 1-866-NTI

Re: ISP question

2000-11-09 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Tilly, Lawrence wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knows of a Linux-friendly freebie ISP ... Most "free ISPs" avoid Linux because the Open Source nature makes it too easy to defeat their advertising system. Also, many Linux people want quality (look at their choice of OS, a

Penguin omebrewing... [Was RE: What do you want to hear about?]

2000-11-09 Thread Carl Helmers
I have not done any homebrewing in two decades, but when I was doing it experimentally for a couple of years in the late '70's I made some interesting ["good" in my opinion at the time :-)> ] homebrews inspired by a book entitled "Wines and Beers of old New England, a How To Do It History" by

Re: Additional Debian v. RPM comment

2000-11-09 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 07:30:46 PST "Karl J. Runge" said: >Does it also tell you which *other* applications on the machine it just broke >because it upgraded a library or system tool? If it needs to upgrade anything, it tells you what it's upgrading, and asks you if you want to

RE: What do you want to hear about?

2000-11-09 Thread Tilly, Lawrence
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 2:48 PM > To: Jeffry Smith > Cc: Andrew Foulks; Greater NH Linux Users' Group > Subject: Re: What do you want to hear about? > > On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Jeffry Smith wrote:

Re: What do you want to hear about?

2000-11-09 Thread Kenny Donahue
I'm planning on doing this myself. I'm planning a HERMS/RIMS system with temp sensors and pump relays attached to an old pc running Linux. Cheap, cool and way too geeky. Any one who wants to be introduced to all grain home brewing, let me know. I still do it the old fashioned way using all manual

Re: Additional Debian v. RPM comment

2000-11-09 Thread Karl J. Runge
On Thu, 09 Nov 2000, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In a message dated: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 15:43:23 EST > Ed Lawson said: > > >I just tried to install the latest version of Mahogany on my RH7 box. > >There were RPMS on the download site for RH7 so I downloaded the RPM > >and promptly tr

Re: What do you want to hear about?

2000-11-09 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:47:51 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >I think we might have one or two of those... :) > >I don't know how one would integrate Linux into the Brewing Process >though-- Laptop beside the stove playing mp3s :) -- Seeya, Paul I'm in shape, my s

Re: ISP question

2000-11-09 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 09:52:46 EST "Tilly, Lawrence" said: >even a pay service that's affordable (<$20), Linux knowledgeable and allows >month-to-month (no contract). We currently live in Epping, so our local >dialup includes Exeter and some eastern portions of Manchester. I may

Re: ISP question

2000-11-09 Thread Ed Lawson
On Thu, 09 Nov 2000, Tilly, Lawrence wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knows > of a Linux-friendly freebie ISP (does anyone even do banner ads in X?) or > even a pay service that's affordable (<$20), Linux knowledgeable and allows > month-to-month (no contract). I assume there are many options

Re: DNS Woes

2000-11-09 Thread Bruce Dawson
It matters a lot if you have *both* a NIC connection and a PPP connection - usually you only want the resolv.conf file modified according your your *current* network connection. The PPP development team has managed to skirt this issue for a long time. Because this is a very thorny issue, I unders

ISP question

2000-11-09 Thread Tilly, Lawrence
Hello, all. My wife & I anticipate building a house this spring and have therefore not committed to any long-term ISP situation. Instead we've just been using various freebie providers for Win (netzero, altavista, etc). The way these are set up you get the free access by putting up with a persi

Re: DNS Woes

2000-11-09 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 09:01:41 EST Farrell Woods said: >"Kenneth E. Lussier" wrote: >> >> OK, so I tried out this option. It works. Sort of. It gets the >> nameservers from the ppp server, but if you already have a resolv.conf >> file it overwrites the nameservers that are there a

Re: Additional Debian v. RPM comment

2000-11-09 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 15:43:23 EST Ed Lawson said: >I just tried to install the latest version of Mahogany on my RH7 box. >There were RPMS on the download site for RH7 so I downloaded the RPM >and promptly tried to install it. No go. Failed dependency for a library. >From the vie

Re: DNS Woes

2000-11-09 Thread Farrell Woods
"Kenneth E. Lussier" wrote: > > OK, so I tried out this option. It works. Sort of. It gets the > nameservers from the ppp server, but if you already have a resolv.conf > file it overwrites the nameservers that are there and doesn't replace > them when you disconnect. > > FYI, > Kenny Sounds lik