Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2015-03-13 Thread Alejandro Casanovas
Check: https://code.google.com/p/webapp-improved/issues/list The issue n.100 was issued by me a few days ago. On Friday, 6 March 2015 00:53:34 UTC+1, Chris Ramsdale wrote: re: Python 3, we're actively building a new hosting environment that is based on containerized virtual machines, today

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2015-03-06 Thread Brandon Thomson
Yup, golang is the winner. Perfect fit for GAE's architecture, URL routing included in stdlib... love it. On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 3:04:44 AM UTC-5, Tapir wrote: you will find it really difficult to implement oauth, sessions, rest, rbac, etc... Webapp2 it's completely abandoned! And

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2015-03-05 Thread 'Chris Ramsdale' via Google App Engine
re: Python 3, we're actively building a new hosting environment that is based on containerized virtual machines, today called Managed VMs. with this new architecture we'll be able to update existing (and build new) application runtimes at a much faster pace. in fact, a Google-provided Python 3

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2015-02-27 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
Just want to point out that it's not fair to judge a tool by activity on stackoverflow. Heavy stackoverflow activity could merely indicate a buggy tool or poor documentation. Furthermore, prior questions become a body of work that satisfy answers; if SO is working as advertised, new (duplicate)

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2015-02-27 Thread Tapir
On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 8:41:07 PM UTC+8, Alejandro Casanovas wrote: I will also want to make a claim for all those early users of App Engine which are joining and trying to catch up the professional world using this tool. It really seems abandoned to me. At least if you only

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2015-02-27 Thread Alejandro Casanovas
That's mind-blowing to me, my assumption was totally the opposite. It's clearly now that app engine questions are increasing on stackoverflow. But at least on app-engine python I don't change my opinion. Webapp2 is abandoned, there's no python 3 support, etc... Thanks for putting so much

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2015-02-27 Thread Kaan Soral
What a community really needs is simple old forums, it's that simple Google groups comes close S.O. is the exact opposite, yet lately S.E. networks have been improving a lot, I don't see the this is not a simple question, f.off stance anymore, so that's good -- You received this message

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2015-02-26 Thread Alejandro Casanovas
I will also want to make a claim for all those early users of App Engine which are joining and trying to catch up the professional world using this tool. It really seems abandoned to me. At least if you only (and I say here ONLY) want to rely on PaaS and not going further. The majority of app

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2015-02-26 Thread pdknsk
There has definitely been progress on the issue tracker, as bugs are now at least read and acknowledged in a timely manner. That's where the progress stops. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2015-02-26 Thread Jesse Scherer (Google Cloud Support)
Hi Alejandro, I wanted to speak to your point about the community on Stack Overflow. It's certainly the case that given the age of App Engine, many questions will be older. As to exactly how many questions get asked and whether there really has been a decline since 2013, your post made me very

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-24 Thread deleplace
Hello I wrote to google-developers-console-feedb...@google.com and it permanently fails. Does somebody know a more suitable email address? Or should I just post my feedback in StackOverflow? Valentin On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 4:49:12 AM UTC+1, Daniel Sturman wrote: [I] suggest that any

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-24 Thread Luke Stone
The best way is to do it from within the console itself. Look for Need help? in the left nav (near the bottom), then Send feedback. This way you can capture a screenshot which is a big help to the team. -Luke On Monday, November 24, 2014 5:09:17 AM UTC-8, dele...@gmail.com wrote: Hello

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-18 Thread PK
I am more surprised that they did not close all the open issues asking for support for another language... Read this for context:  https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/article/20141118192324-332875-program-the-cloud-in-any-language PK http://www.gae123.com On November 14, 2014 at 10:05:32 AM, pdknsk

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-14 Thread Brandon Thomson
This thread could use a bump; lots of good stuff in here! On Sunday, November 9, 2014 1:48:33 PM UTC-5, Jeff Schnitzer wrote: I just hope that someone is busy reinventing the datastore viewer. That would be compelling. Today I have a link to a new datastore viewer in my admin console. The

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-12 Thread Marcel Manz
Hey Daniel I'm very happy to hear back from Google on this forum and wish to point out that it has to be very important for Google to follow this group in order to share updates etc. Stackoverflow is an external site which is great for code fragment sharing, but it's not a great place to

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-12 Thread Daniel Sturman
Thanks for your candid responses. I hear your concerns loud and clear. I think the issues you raised all boil down to one thing: you’d like to see greater engagement between the App Engine team and our developer community. With regards to your specific concerns: I agree that an issue tracker

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-11 Thread Emanuele Ziglioli
Thank you Daniel for your update! It's great to hear an official statement from Google about App Engine's health and future. I've certainly been enjoying increased reliability and reduced instance warmup time over the past couple of years, and that's a reflection of the hard work that's been

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-11 Thread PK
Hi Dan, thanks for taking the time. We have not heard from anybody from Google in this forum for many months so your reassuring communication is very welcome.   I list below some of the reasons that might explain why some of us who have been following GAE for a long time have been skeptical

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-11 Thread pdknsk
Completely agree on the issue tracker. There are many relatively low hanging fruit bugs which have been neglected for years. I guess partly because Google went after the most starred bug: PHP. If that was a worthy investment I do not know. I guess it wasn't. I hope the second-most starred bug

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-11 Thread Doug Anderson
+1 nice to hear from Dan... very encouraging indeed!!! +1 to PKs comments as well... Hopefully Dan's improvement list includes better Datastore admin... especially the ability to edit repeated fields! I have to write custom admin code for every repeated field I may need to edit. The strategic

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-11 Thread Stuart Langley
What have you got against PHP bro? ;) On Wednesday, 12 November 2014 06:18:06 UTC+11, pdknsk wrote: Completely agree on the issue tracker. There are many relatively low hanging fruit bugs which have been neglected for years. I guess partly because Google went after the most starred bug:

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-11 Thread Adam Sah
+1 thx for the inspiring post. I'm excited about Managed VMs, in our case for hosting a SOLR/Lucene instance. adam (Google TLM, Gadgets 2004-2009) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-10 Thread Daniel Sturman
Hey fellow App Engine users, There is some great conversation in this thread. I’ll try to address some of the key points being discussed. Regarding the discussion group; our apologies for the delayed response. Most of our customer questions now come on Stack Overflow

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-09 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
Funny. I also find myself consistently going back to the old console. The log viewer is the one part of the new system that I think might be an actual improvement since the old one seems to be very quirky about actually finding logs, although I hate the new color scheme. The task queue management

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-09 Thread Vinny P
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Brandon Thomson b...@brandonthomson.com wrote: Fixing bugs in legacy code is not exciting work and a new generation of engineers at Google may be tempted to improve things that aren't broken instead of doing the hard work of maintaining the existing code.

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-05 Thread Vinuth Madinur
+1 Doug. I hope someone from google reads these messages. To move away from GAE to Compute Engine based systems will require lot of rewiring in many projects. Hopefully things wont come to that. On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Doug Anderson d...@claystreet.com wrote: I've certainly felt

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-05 Thread Emanuele Ziglioli
Thank you everyone for your insights, very interesting. What do you guys think it's the way forward? Are you going to migrate your GAE apps to to Managed VMs, with Docker and the gcs command line tools? Also, is the Datastore still a valid option? I wish BigQuery just worked natively with

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-05 Thread Doug Anderson
I don't think there's any reason to migrate existing apps unless App Engine no longer satisfies your requirements. I don't see App Engine going away... you just need to set your expectations of the platform accordingly (don't expect bugs to get resolved unless you have a paid support plan,

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-05 Thread David Hardwick
And how are you? The GCP Live event was telling the story around the continuum the Google Cloud Platform now provides from PaaS to IaaS. You have GAE and with Managed VMs (combined with Autoscaler) you have GAE 2.0 in the PaaS category. The GAE 1.0 docker images for Java/Php/Python can be

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-03 Thread Robert King
I agree with Jeff Schnitzer. I think google is afraid of the whole open source docker thing gaining huge momentum and doesn't want to miss out so they want to make that part of their foundation e.g. things like kubernettes. They also want to make it easy for people to migrate from other

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-11-03 Thread PK
Make sure you read this on Wall Street Journal just hot of the press:  http://online.wsj.com/articles/google-renews-its-cloud-efforts-1415062792  (Search online for the title Google Renews Its Cloud Efforts” if you hit the paywall). I quote from the article:  Amazon started renting computing

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-10-31 Thread PK
Here are some of my thoughts on topics raised in this thread: 1. Google has definitely abandoned this forum, no doubt about this… I am not sure if this is on purpose to force more people to buy paid support or just because of lack of leadership/ownership as @pdknsk suggests. But it is a fact.

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-10-31 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
Google officially 'abandoned' this forum when they moved general support to stackoverflow, so that's nothing new. And let's be honest, there was really only one person reliably following this forum before then - Ikai. Occasionally other @google.com folks would chime in but it was pretty much a one

Re: [google-appengine] Re: One senses GAE is just not a major priority for Google

2014-10-31 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
I agree. I thought that article was basically a fluff piece written by someone who has never actually used GAE. Nobody ever cared about the subset of Java issue except Sun who, as non-users, count only as whiners (no, Java's mine, you have to use it the way I want!). And the very old version of