[H] nlite ?

2005-08-25 Thread FORC5
anyone aware of a program like nlite for windows for office ? fp thanks -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Never invite newlyweds to a come-as-you-are party.

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Stan Zaske
BC Bud! Didn't you see the prime time report? They sell it in shops on the streets using the best seeds from around the globe! Gotta love British Columbia! g What hypocrisy that we still haven't learned Prohibition doesn't work even after all the organized crime that came as a result of

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
What happened in China when they legalized drugs? What about Needle park in Zurich? Can you cite one example where the legalization of drugs solved any social ills? -Gary Stan Zaske said the following on 8/25/2005 3:04 AM: BC Bud! Didn't you see the prime time report? They sell it in shops

RE: [H] Re: Best DVD disc with Drive

2005-08-25 Thread Tony Antoniou
The good thing with Plextor is, I would be surprised at one of their units failing but at the same time I'd also breathe easy knowing once it was fixed/replaced, it would remain so for the rest of its natural life. Top notch drives but I'm happy to stick with Pioneer from a cost and reliability

Re: Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Eli Allen
A few minor changes I'd make. First, I'm assuming the drugs are actually very cheap to make. So I say tax them very highly and they should still be cheaper then drugs are now and so prevent a black market, These taxes are what should be used to pay for all the regulation and treatment

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 12:35 PM 25/08/2005, FORC5 wrote: not a good reason to make these products legal. same argument for giving kids condoms. a society needs standards to live by So better to keep using an idea that doesn't work can costs a fortune rather than trying something else? Makes no sense to me. T

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Al
Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:35 PM 25/08/2005, FORC5 wrote: not a good reason to make these products legal. same argument for giving kids condoms. a society needs standards to live by So better to keep using an idea that doesn't work can costs a fortune rather than

[H] VGA splitter

2005-08-25 Thread Thane Sherrington
I'm looking for a VGA splitter that'll run for monitors (for demo purposes.) Do I need 350MHz, or is 250MHz fine? T

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Eli Allen
Decriminalization doesn't mean that society can't look at drug use as a bad thing. So I don't see how societies standards are weakening. In fact decriminalization could strengthen them, what happens to those who think drugs are bad but want prisons to be used for real criminals? It would

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread warpmedia
Standards? What the hell does that mean? We got freaks around the world that think we are criminals for not complying with their religious standards and want to KILL US for it. Some standards just don't make sense when examined, many are arbitrary.We should be giving kids (and 3rd world

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary VanderMolen
The biggest drug problem these days is ICE or crystal meth made from cold pills and second a bumper crop from our buddies in Afghanistan. Neither should be tolerated and those found using should be helped medically, not jailed. Do you want your taxes raised in order to pay for the repetitive

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread j m g
But how many billions are spent on enforcement that doesn't get anywhere. Why even bother busting kids with a cigarette's worth of pot? Your taxes are already going to the 'war on drugs' and that money isn't being wisely spent. On 8/25/05, Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 11:42 AM 8/25/2005, Thane Sherrington typed: At 12:35 PM 25/08/2005, FORC5 wrote: not a good reason to make these products legal. same argument for giving kids condoms. a society needs standards to live by So better to keep using an idea that doesn't work can costs a fortune rather than

RE: [H] Best DVD disc with Drive

2005-08-25 Thread Bobby Heid
I was looking for something on Buy.com and came across what looks like a good deal on a Pioneer DVD writer. Unfortunately, they are temporarily out of stock. But in case anyone is interested: http://www.buy.com/prod/Pioneer_16X_DVD_RW_Dual_Layer_Internal_Writer_Beige_

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Stan Zaske
Dr. Phil's theme for the day happens to be drug and alcohol abuse and the effects on our loved ones. 3pm Central time. Thane Sherrington wrote: At 11:31 AM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote: What happened in China when they legalized drugs? What about Needle park in Zurich? Can you cite one

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Stan Zaske
The time following puberty is the time period when a person is the horniest in their lives! All part of God's plan to provide for our reproduction. Deny a person food and see how warped their behavior becomes. Take away someones water and all they'll think about is getting something to drink.

RE: Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread 007
Having drugs gives agents and the government to subsidize prisons, seize property (Ferrari's, Large Mansions) etc. I don't think we should make them legal any time soon. Any one wants to buy a Ferrari Testarosa for $5,000? 007. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [H] Best DVD disc with Drive

2005-08-25 Thread Wayne Johnson
Mwave has them even cheaper. http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=AA32950 no rebate to deal with. At 01:18 PM 8/25/2005, Bobby Heid typed: I was looking for something on Buy.com and came across what looks like a good deal on a Pioneer DVD writer. Unfortunately, they are

RE: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread 007
I am not sure if Puberty is when people are the horniest. Perhaps it has to do with access, supply and demand. 007. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stan Zaske Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:26 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H]

RE: [H] Best DVD disc with Drive

2005-08-25 Thread rls
That's a good price on the Pioneer. I myself purchase nothing but Plextor. Got my 16X when they were offering a $30 rebate - and it only took less than 4 weeks to get it - which is some kind of record, for me at least. Not only do they perform extremely well, I find them durable having burned at

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Stan Zaske
Perhaps you've forgotten your raging hormones my friend. In the natural world people saw animals copulating all the time and that was all it took to prime the pump. But just because we insulate ourselves from the natural world doesn't mean we aren't a part of it and the drive to reproduce.

RE: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 01:29 PM 8/25/2005, 007 typed: I am not sure if Puberty is when people are the horniest. Perhaps it has to do with access, supply and demand. Medical fact that women don't mature sexually until their mid 30's while males it's 19-21 at that age many females are trying to figure out how

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary VanderMolen
So we should all just give in to our impulses and do what the hell we want? I was plenty horny by age 13, which doesn't mean I was emotionally ready, or financially capable of the consequences of a broken/slipped condom. Gary VanderMolen - Original Message - From: Stan Zaske [EMAIL

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Hayes Elkins
Curing cancer. From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:31:48 -0500 What happened in China when they legalized drugs? What about Needle

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:37:44 -0700 Do you want your taxes raised in order to pay for the repetitive medical treatment

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
Several. China is a lot better off now, isn't it? -Gary Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/25/2005 9:40 AM: At 11:31 AM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote: What happened in China when they legalized drugs? What about Needle park in Zurich? Can you cite one example where the

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
You are making a HUGE assumption, that being that enforcement doesn't do anything. Most believe that the enforcement is working the way it should. It is a deterrent and as such is doing its job. -Gary j m g said the following on 8/25/2005 11:45 AM: But how many billions are spent on

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
Big difference, without food and water you die. Without sex you become a nerd. LOL -Gary Stan Zaske said the following on 8/25/2005 12:25 PM: The time following puberty is the time period when a person is the horniest in their lives! All part of God's plan to provide for our

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
Wow, you really need to do some reading. -Gary Ben Ruset said the following on 8/25/2005 9:41 AM: Freed up space in prisons better suited to real criminals. From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Aug 25 09:31:48 CDT 2005 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject:

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
That is one of the most ludicrous arguments being tossed about by the legalizing drugs crowd. What in God's name makes you think that organized crime will walk away from their BILLION dollar empires? Tax the drugs?? LOL. -Gary Eli Allen said the following on 8/25/2005 10:24 AM: A few

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:18:32 -0500 Big difference, without food and water you die. Without sex you become a nerd. LOL

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Veech
Are we at the 3-day rule yet for this topic? - Original Message - From: Hayes Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Hayes Elkins
What happened to moonshiners and the whiskey running mafia filth of the 30's? From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:24:10 -0500 That

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread j m g
If I can walk into walgreens and there sitting right next to the marlboro's...they're not going to have a say in the matter. On 8/25/05, Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is one of the most ludicrous arguments being tossed about by the legalizing drugs crowd. What in God's name makes

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 04:11 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote: Several. China is a lot better off now, isn't it? I'm not sure. Haven't been there, but I've heard their economy is doing alright. Plus China isn't really a modern, civilized country, so it's hard to compare to the US or Canada. The

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 04:37 PM 25/08/2005, j m g wrote: If I can walk into walgreens and there sitting right next to the marlboro's...they're not going to have a say in the matter. Yup. And that's why legalizing it works so well. The same for prostitution, btw. T

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Hayes Elkins
From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:48:53 -0300 At 04:11 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote: Several. China is a lot better off

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
Big difference, there was already a thriving legal business for alcohol prior to prohibition. So we make drugs legal, where are they going to come from? -Gary Hayes Elkins said the following on 8/25/2005 2:30 PM: What happened to moonshiners and the whiskey running mafia filth of the 30's?

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 04:44 PM 25/08/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote: And that's one, not several. Please give me some concrete examples of harsh drug laws having the desired effect over the long term. Saudi Arabia - caught with drugs? Bye bye head. It's also a GREAT place to live. I think that proves my point.

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
I have no idea what you are talking about Hayes but leave it to you to come up with shit like this. It was meant as a joke. You are some piece of work. -Gary Hayes Elkins said the following on 8/25/2005 2:26 PM: From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
USA and Canada. -Gary Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/25/2005 2:48 PM: At 04:11 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote: Several. China is a lot better off now, isn't it? I'm not sure. Haven't been there, but I've heard their economy is doing alright. Plus China isn't really a

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
And where is Walgreens supposed to get the drugs? -Gary j m g said the following on 8/25/2005 2:37 PM: If I can walk into walgreens and there sitting right next to the marlboro's...they're not going to have a say in the matter. On 8/25/05, Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
Your problem is you have failed to define working. If by working you mean are they acting as a deterrent, then they are working. If you are defining working as the complete eradication of drugs from society then you are creating nothing more than a canard. -Gary Thane Sherrington said the

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 04:54 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote: USA and Canada. So you feel we are winning the drug war? T

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread j m g
the same places stores get their goods from now, growers, manufacturers, local and international, if it was legal and had a profit margin and some demand it wouldn't be at Walmart? On 8/25/05, Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And where is Walgreens supposed to get the drugs? -Gary

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 04:56 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote: Your problem is you have failed to define working. If by working you mean are they acting as a deterrent, then they are working. If you are defining working as the complete eradication of drugs from society then you are creating nothing more than a

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
Yes. -Gary Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/25/2005 3:06 PM: At 04:54 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote: USA and Canada. So you feel we are winning the drug war? T

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Hayes Elkins
A staunch libertarian take on the WoD http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/topics.do?topic=war From: Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:04:34

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread j m g
I don't think locking up grandma and idiot teenagers is the mark of a successful policy. On 8/25/05, Gary Udstrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course it is up to you to define successful? -Gary Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/25/2005 3:07 PM: At 04:56 PM 25/08/2005, Gary

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
How many of those in jail for drugs are helpless Grandma's and teenagers? Simple question, do the drug laws deter usage? What else are they supposed to do? I suppose we should eliminate laws against theft too since they would also fail your definition of success. -Gary j m g said the

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Eli Allen
I'd define working as a decrease in the usage, decrease in ability to get the drugs, decrease in crimes related to the drugs (stealing to get money to pay for them, shootings over who has rights to a certain turf for selling drugs, etc) And this decrease should be significant, especially for

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
And here I thought you had to grow them. Anyways, you are missing the point. The criminal operations are the only ones capable of providing the drugs to the legal market. They will continue to make money and do whatever nefarious things with it that they do now. Again, legalizing drugs will do

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
You win. I guess it is time to legalize murder, robbery, rape, etc. since I cannot prove their effectiveness either. LOL -Gary Eli Allen said the following on 8/25/2005 3:55 PM: If the desired effect is decreased drug usage and making drugs harder to get along with decreasing crime

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
I know the history, thanks anyways. -Gary Eli Allen said the following on 8/25/2005 4:05 PM: By the way most drugs were legal originally. You may want a small history lesson: http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html Eli - Original Message

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
Draw that conclusion for me Hayes. You do not think that punishment serves to prevent? I also find it interesting that you would turn to Liddy to try and find support for your position.. -Gary Hayes Elkins said the following on 8/25/2005 4:12 PM: In general, laws *punish* crime - they do

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
Drug usage is unquestionably lower as a result of the laws in place, which is their purpose. They are working. Turf wars take place regardless of drugs as do shootings and other crimes. You have no evidence to suggest that making marijuana legal would remedy any of these issues. -Gary Eli

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Eli Allen
If drugs became legal the why won't others try to produce drugs? The way they are made is not a secret. And if you don't have to hide what you are doing they are easy to make. Criminal operations are the only ones providing drugs now as they are illegal to provide. - Original Message

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Gary Udstrand
Never said they would not. You think the criminals will stand idly by and let their market share be taken from them? Even if they compete using only legal methods they would be formidable. Their operations would also still be very valuable and profitable. And that is my point. If anyone

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Eli Allen
Turf wars happen because those who sell illegal drugs claim certain areas as theirs and others are not allowed to deal in that area. If drugs were made legal no one would buy drugs off the street and they would turn to stores and the like ending the turf wars (well most of them as I guess a

Re: [H] gas and drugs???

2005-08-25 Thread Eli Allen
I thought we were waiting for the court case AMD launched to start ;) - Original Message - What about the evil Intel empire? SCO lawsuit? Something more tech then gas and buds please -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 /

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Hayes Elkins
It was taken from a conversation about gun laws, which I follow closely because I'm a firm believer in the 2nd amendment. I liked the quote so much I use it often. Fits this tangent perfectly. Violent behavior like murder and rape will always happen in spite of tough laws. That is because

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Hayes Elkins
My father grew up in Bladen county - an unabashedly dry county in NC (until just recently). It had remained dry for over a century due to many factors, including a very influential and respected church lobby. However the resources to lobby constantly a county board from a church group requires

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Eli Allen
Can you list out some of the advantages the criminal organizations have to produce drugs? - Knowledge of how to produce them doesn't count as there is nothing secret there - Production facilities don't really count as the main thing the criminal ones have to deal with is how to hide the

Re: [H] Best DVD disc with Drive

2005-08-25 Thread Greg Sevart
I myself purchase nothing but Plextor. Got my 16X when they were offering a $30 rebate - and it only took less than 4 weeks to get it - which is some kind of record, for me at least. Not only do they perform extremely well, I find them durable having burned at least 200 DVD's so far on it.

RE: [H] Best DVD disc with Drive

2005-08-25 Thread Mesdaq, Ali
I am using a sony drive to burn images. So do you think that might be the cause of the skipping on peoples dvd players? But they said it played fine first time and then started skipping on the 2nd and 3rd time they played the disc. That makes me feel like it's a disc issue more than a burner

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Julian Hale
On that note, in states where they have high taxation of tobacco, they are starting to see illegal tobacco sold, often coming from the middle east(supposedly was financing Saddam). You make a product that is in demand illegal, and the illegal sorts fill that demand. Make it legal, and you

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 03:30 PM 8/25/2005, Hayes Elkins typed: What happened to moonshiners and the whiskey running mafia filth of the 30's? The Kennedy's still have most all of their money.. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 06:32 PM 8/25/2005, Hayes Elkins typed: Marijuana laws send a mixed signal because two drugs that are more harmful, alcohol and chemically treated tobacco, are allowed to be sold over the counter. You ever hear about a raging pot head beating his wife? No, but we see plenty of violent drug

Re: [H] Best DVD disc with Drive

2005-08-25 Thread Greg Sevart
It is possible, though I too would suspect media quality as the root cause. However, write quality is the output of a very tight equation based on both the drive (and firmware revision, for that matter) and the media. It is quite possible that a different burner would perform better with that

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Julian Hale
Crack open a history book. What happened after the end of prohibition is what makes us think that ending drug/MJ prohibition will make them walk away. The is no difference between the two. However, excessively high taxation will create a black market. Julian At 12:24 PM 8/25/2005, you

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread Julian Hale
There was also a thriving, legal business for MJ, opiates, cocaine, etc. before prohibition. Again, no difference at all. Legal drugs will come from, and this may shock you, pharmaceutical companies... since there is no patent, prices will be low. Julian At 12:52 PM 8/25/2005, you wrote:

Re: [H] Gas prices

2005-08-25 Thread warpmedia
Let me go out on a limb here and assume Gary is either: A. Old enough to be like my booze hound grandparents who thought the government was always right. B. Just young enough to be the product of their warped era. C. A staunch conservative (though so is William F Buckley he gets it). D. A

Re: [H] blast from the past

2005-08-25 Thread warpmedia
Yes, but i had them before you did, :raspberry:! Ben Ruset wrote: Blah. That low tech was high tech back then. And it was fine. My old Pro Audio Spectrum 16 and Diamond Suprasonic Modem with status LCD display were the cats meow. warpmedia wrote: That's looks cool! LTV was hot shit

[H] Weird one for you...

2005-08-25 Thread joeuser
I'm looking for a red LED that flashes about once a minute and is powered by 2 AA batteries. I got one from a display box that was used for a web camera or something. It's on a pretty small board. I'd like something just like it. Where do you find something like this? -- Cheers, joeuser

Re: [H] Weird one for you...

2005-08-25 Thread warpmedia
The Pink Floyd Pulse album came with one of these. =) joeuser wrote: I'm looking for a red LED that flashes about once a minute and is powered by 2 AA batteries. I got one from a display box that was used for a web camera or something. It's on a pretty small board. I'd like something just