[H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread FORC5
Any long term problem putting a SSD in XP ? What should I check ? Have one here with a SSD that has really slowed down. Not sure yet if the SSD or something else. Right off MSE went dormant so I need to remove and replace with something. Older Toshiba laptop. Them getting anything newer is not

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread Greg Sevart
XP doesn't support TRIM, the lack of which can slow SSDs down over time. Some handle it better than others. If it's a Samsung or Intel, install the manufacturer's utility and run the optimization. If it's anything else, the drive needs secure erased. Staying with XP should not be considered an opt

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread FORC5
kind of figured that, suppose I could clone it off and back. drive is a Crucial ( I think) need to look at that. I like Samsung except they use drive space for a OP partition. 10% recommended. bad to loose space. Do like their sw, Crucial claims they are working on some. Any after market SW you

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread Harry McGregor
Hi, SSDs are better then spining even without TRIM support. That being said if hardware and Windows 7 are not an option, I would look at an Ubuntu load on the laptop. -Harry On 8/2/14, 12:22 PM, FORC5 wrote: > kind of figured that, suppose I could clone it off and back. > drive is a Crucial ( I

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread FORC5
older guy, not a option ATM If it was mime :{) thanks fp At 12:52 PM 8/2/2014, Harry McGregor Poked the stick with: Hi, SSDs are better then spining even without TRIM support. That being said if hardware and Windows 7 are not an option, I would look at an Ubuntu load on the laptop. -Harry Da

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread Winterlight
I am in the process of taking a old Thinkpad X41 Tablet,that had Win7 on it and setting it up to multiboot new installs of . Win7 PRO SP1 and XPProSP3. XP is installed and uses a 6GB partition. The only purpose of running XP is to run a single legacy USB device. There is nothing else installe

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread Greg Sevart
No. The TRIM command is only sent upon a triggering action--in Windows, that's deleting a file or performing a format. It's worth noting that you also need to be in AHCI mode for TRIM to function. It's similarly worth pointing out that the impact of using XP will not be limited to the XP partition

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread Greg Sevart
Depends on the drive and the use pattern. You can look at tests of drives having undergone random 4k write loads and see subsequent disk service times higher than competing spinners. Modern drives typically include a form of garbage collection that will try to restore performance, but these are not

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread Greg Sevart
Samsung drives do not force you to surrender additional user capacity for overprovisioning. It is recommended to leave at least 20% free space on ANY SSD--the Samsung software just allows you to set it aside, at your option, to prevent filling it accidentally. However, you must explicitly tell it t

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?update

2014-08-02 Thread FORC5
found the iexplore virus, CPU running full throttle all is better now thanks fp At 12:54 PM 8/2/2014, FORC5 Poked the stick with: older guy, not a option ATM If it was mime :{) thanks fp At 12:52 PM 8/2/2014, Harry McGregor Poked the stick with: Hi, SSDs are better then spining even without T

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread DSinc
Greg, This is good, new info for me. Can I please 'bend' this thread a bit? I really think I wish to do a 'secure erase' in w7pro (32bit). Is this possible? My OB gifted me a Crucial MX100 series 128GB SSD. OK. I can find zero information about it at Crucial/Support. But, Crucial seems to very p

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread Winterlight
Greg, Unfortunately, The X41 Thinkpad Tablet uses an strange oddball 1.8 inch drive that is a SATA drive but with a PATA front end... yeah I know and the only one available is made by a Chinese company called KingsSpec...so there is no utility. It breaks down to I am surprised I don't se

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread Winterlight
Just go buy Partedmagic to wipe the drive... this is only 5 bucks at partedmagic.com. You will find plenty of support for the program in their forums. Greg wrote about this last week. At 05:03 PM 8/2/2014, you wrote: Greg, This is good, new info for me. Can I please 'bend' this thread a bit

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread Winterlight
Same goes for MSE, since it has turned to crap. Do you mean in Windows 7 as well as XP? Don't tell me we have to go back to screwing around with third party AV software.

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread Greg Sevart
Yes, that's the case. Logically, your 6GB partition is along a fixed sector boundary. Any OS-level reads/writes will be to those sectors. However, the SSD controller maintains its own mapping table, and will re-map writes to those sectors to potentially any page/block on the drive based on previous

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread Greg Sevart
Unfortunately yes. :( MSE is generally used as the baseline for a lot of anti-malware tests now. Its level of protection is considered poor. I now run both MalwareBytes Premium and Kaspersky (just the basic anti-virus) on my systems. BitDefender is also highly rated. MBAM is probably the more effe

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread Winterlight
Well, I have created a 1GB RAM drive for the Temp temp files and turned off the pagefile so here on in there should be hardly any writes to XP. And the windows 7 OS has trim. It sucks that there is no third party utility to replace trim and/or deal with this in these situations. At 05:56 P

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread James Boswell
FYI, the any SSD (Crucial included) has overprovisioning of flash to allow for graceful cell failure management. Samsung expose it in an adjustable fashion, you COULD minimise the overprovision amount, but I'd say it's a very very very bad idea. -James On 2 August 2014 20:22, FORC5 wrote: > k

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread FORC5
I have always believed that MSE's primary reason to exist was piracy. could be wrong. used to be pretty good, I thought. fp At 05:56 PM 8/2/2014, Greg Sevart Poked the stick with: Unfortunately yes. :( MSE is generally used as the baseline for a lot of anti-malware tests now. Its level of protec

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread FORC5
but crucial does not use space that can be used. I do like the sw and it has a function to optimize on OS without trim. confusing for these old grey cells. used to be more fun. At 06:44 PM 8/2/2014, James Boswell Poked the stick with: FYI, the any SSD (Crucial included) has overprovisioning of

Re: [H] SSD and XP ?

2014-08-02 Thread Greg Sevart
ALL SSDs have reserved capacity that no software can access and no utilities can even quantify. Samsung allows you to increase this overprovisioned area even more if you so desire (probably mostly for people irrationally concerned about SSD wearout). They absolutely, positively do not reduce the us