A few minor changes I'd make. First, I'm assuming the drugs are actually
very cheap to make. So I say tax them very highly and they should still be
cheaper then drugs are now and so prevent a black market, These taxes are
what should be used to pay for all the regulation and treatment
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A few minor changes I'd make. First, I'm assuming the drugs are actually
very cheap to make. So I say tax them very highly and they should still be
cheaper then drugs
List
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I am all about Ethanol. Unfortunately in the US the corn farmers are
pushing for it. Making Ethanol from Corn is the most inefficient way of
doing it, and supposedly yeilds less energy than what was spent in
producing it.
Making Ethanol from
My next door neighbor just moved up there.
Small world
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Hey, no shit... I just live a little north
Crap, I'm moving to Seattle
Mark Dodge
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much like everyone else. Way too much!!!
Jeff
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Crap, I'm moving to Seattle
Mark Dodge
MD
...but given that we produce something like ~40% of our oil
DOMESTICALLY, and the majority of the remainder comes from Canada,
Mexico, and Venezuela, we wouldn't need to replace 100% of our oil
consumption with oil from the ANWR.
Even if we only replaced 50% of are imported oil, that would
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There was a James Bond movie where they put some drug into gasoline then
distilled the gasoline
PM
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Like cold fusion? There were a couple of scientists, in Utah, several years
ago that claimed they had made cold fusion work. That is clean, safe,
perpetual, fusion .I don't recall their names but they had the scientific
world standing on it's
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lately, but even they aren't as bad the middle east. Hoping to get
completely away from oil imports
/canadasoilsandsmaysparkfrenzy+canada+oil+sandhl=en
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hope so, especially since Canada is drilling
.
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...but given that we produce something like ~40% of our oil
DOMESTICALLY, and the majority of the remainder comes from
Foreign Affairs magazine from a couple of years ago theorized that if
the fed's had kept up the level of energy conservation RD funding as
was spent from the early 70s to the early 80s we wouldn't have to
worry about foreign at all by the late 90s, unfortunately by late 80s
most of the big federal
Going by:
http://www.doi.gov/news/030312.htm
ANWR can only produce 1,400,000 barrels a day, otherwise known as way less
then our middle east imports.
I very strongly suspect that the 1.4mbpd figure is an economically viable
figure. Given that oil prices have more than doubled since the
Hoping to get away from high prices for fuel is unrealistic, also, no
matter where the energy comes from. Prices are supply and demand driven.
Any decrease in price caused by an increase in supply is offset by an
increase in demand.
In the case of oil, prices have recently been driven
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Hell, we can grow ethanol. Read the stars, guys, we are getting screwed! The
oil companies have been crying for years that oil prices are way behind
inflation. I say, so what! I thought the idea was to keep inflation down
On 18 Aug 2005 at 7:04, Greg Sevart wrote:
It wouldn't be near $80/barrel.
I had seen testimony from oil drilling firms who stated that because of the
difficulty of drilling through permafrost, only having seasonal access (because
they can't drive the big rigs
over it during the thaw
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On 18 Aug 2005 at 7:04, Greg Sevart wrote:
It wouldn't be near $80/barrel.
I had seen testimony from oil drilling firms who stated that because
On 18 Aug 2005 at 8:20, Greg Sevart wrote:
In the case of oil, prices have recently been driven NOT by supply and
demand, but by the fears of supply and demand. Easily 50% of the cost
of oil today is a premium built not on actual supply or demand, but
mere speculation and the fear of supply
Additionally, the less load on their system, the more customers they can
service with their existing infrastructure.
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On 18 Aug 2005 at 13:06, Hayes Elkins wrote:
Why
It's been pretty good for Exxon, Getty, Shell, etc.
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On 19 Aug 2005 at 0:12, Tony Antoniou wrote:
Bush made the BS oil inflation happen with his War
until the hole is drilled nobody can predict anything, only
guess. What's Canada getting out of there.
besides there is still the Gulf once we can deep drill, larger reserves
than middle east.
At 06:17 AM 8/18/2005, Eli Allen Poked the stick with:
Going by:
http://www.doi.gov/news/030312.htm
I paid $2.55/gal for Regular today.
I just wonder if we'll ever get back to the $1.50/gal days again. As harsh as
it sounds, low gas prices are a lot more important to me that supporing
anybody's agenda or liberating other countries.
It's funny, though, that the gas companies are posting
On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
It's funny, though, that the gas companies are posting record profits.
So I really wonder how much of this is an increase in oil price, and how
much is just an excuse to charge more for gasoline.
I look at it this way, assuming that a gas company wants
I hope you meant $30/barrel! LOL.
Bobby
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snip
There was a study in Canada that found
The most fuel efficient cars use heavy water.
007.
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
It's
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The most fuel efficient cars use heavy water.
007.
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005
On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
A few years ago BMW showed off a 5 series that ran off water. It
cracked the water into hydrogen within the car itself.
Of course that tech won't ever see the light of day. :(
This doesn't make sense. It takes energy to split water into Oxygen and
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
A few years ago BMW showed off a 5 series that ran off water. It
cracked the water into hydrogen within the car itself.
Of course that tech won't ever see the light of day
I was referring to fission technology (U235). Since fusion is years away.
007.
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The most fuel efficient cars
Ben Ruset wrote:
A few years ago BMW showed off a 5 series that ran off water. It cracked the
water into
hydrogen within the car itself.
Of course that tech won't ever see the light of day. :(
Did someone repeal the laws of physics and chemistry?
It takes more energy to crack water than
At 03:52 PM 17/08/2005, Gary VanderMolen wrote:
Did someone repeal the laws of physics and chemistry?
It takes more energy to crack water than you get back when
recombining the hydrogen and oxygen.
I think that report was a misunderstanding of the technology. The idea is
to use solar
If you're cracking hydrogen in your car why would you need to fill up at a
station?
From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 03:52 PM 17/08/2005, Gary VanderMolen wrote:
Did
At 04:51 PM 17/08/2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
If you're cracking hydrogen in your car why would you need to fill up at a
station?
Because cracking hydrogen requires more power than you can generate on
current solar panels small enough to fit on a car roof. IIRC, there's a
company here that sells
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At 04:51 PM 17/08/2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
If you're cracking hydrogen in your car why would you need to fill up at a
station?
Because cracking hydrogen requires more power than you can generate on
current solar panels small enough to fit on a car roof. IIRC, there's
Further proof that the oil companies are gouging customers outside the mideast.
You can't tell me that there is a ~$1.60/gal charge that goes to only pay
transport and taxes.
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Date: Wed Aug 17 15:17:29 CDT 2005
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Jeff
From: Ben Ruset [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A few years ago BMW showed off a 5 series that ran off water. It cracked
the water into hydrogen within the car itself.
Of course that tech won't ever see the light of day. :(
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Fuel cells are a very good alternative and should be practically available
in the near future.
Jeff
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than what
was spent in producing it, and has limited Brazil's dependance on foreign oil.
From: jeff.lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hell, we can grow ethanol. Read the stars, guys, we
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:49 AM
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I was referring to fission technology (U235). Since fusion is years away.
007.
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tinfoil
The oil companies probably had them killed or paid off.
/tinfoil
From: jeff.lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed Aug 17 16:00:17 CDT 2005
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Like cold fusion? There were a couple of scientists, in Utah, several
hope so, especially since Canada is drilling not far from
where we want to drill.
but that is only a beginning, lot more to do.
I suspect the Caribou population may double.
fp
At 01:58 PM 8/17/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with:
Didn't drilling in Alaska just
pass?
I consider myself an
You don't live in Washington do you?
Mark Dodge
MD Computers
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Hell, we can
On 17 Aug 2005 at 15:26, Ben Ruset wrote:
Further proof that the oil companies are gouging customers outside the
mideast. You can't tell me that there is a ~$1.60/gal charge that goes
to only pay transport and taxes.
From: Zulfiqar Naushad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed Aug 17 15:17:29 CDT
On 17 Aug 2005 at 15:58, Ben Ruset wrote:
Didn't drilling in Alaska just pass?
No, it is supposed to be jammed into the upcoming budget bill.
I consider myself an environmentalist and I support drilling in Alaska.
You'll likely be disappointed. Spence Abraham, who was this
and that:
the roughly 10 billion barrels of oil expected to be found there would be
the equivalent of JUST SIX MONTHS OF U.S. CONSUMPTION
http://www.sacbee.com/news/special/power/032001abraham.html
Vince
...but given that we produce something like ~40% of our oil DOMESTICALLY,
and
drug cartel ought to be looking here :{)
new black market
At 05:00 PM 8/17/2005, Analyst Poked the stick with:
To really get your blood
boiling, gasoline in Venezuela is only 25 cents a gallon.
Anybody want to captain a tanker full of gasoline back to the U.S. ?
(Talk about ridin' a rocket)
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:59 PM
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Didn't drilling in Alaska just pass?
I consider myself an environmentalist and I support drilling in Alaska.
On 17 Aug 2005 at 18:29, Greg Sevart wrote:
...but given that we produce something like ~40% of our oil
DOMESTICALLY, and the majority of the remainder comes from Canada,
Mexico, and Venezuela, we wouldn't need to replace 100% of our oil
consumption with oil from the ANWR.
Even if we only
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You don't live in Washington do you?
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