Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-28 Thread Peter da Silva
On 2009-06-26, at 16:41, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: Nicholas Clark wrote: autoconf, automake and libtool. What more could one need? There's a distinct lack of XML in your solution. Die in a fire.

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-28 Thread Peter da Silva
On 2009-06-26, at 16:35, Nicholas Clark wrote: Actually, what other non-overlapping software could one legitimately use to increase the hate? SVN and a proxy firewall that doesn't know about DAV. WTF is the point of DAV anyway, what capability does it provide that a RESTful URL doesn't?

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-28 Thread Peter da Silva
On 2009-06-26, at 08:50, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: The end point of many years of searching? I use mplayer from the command line. It's about the crudest way to play music available, dd if=filename.au of=/dev/audio I used to use a shell script that converted the mp3 to au in the background

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-27 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* H.Merijn Brand h.m.br...@xs4all.nl [2009-06-26 16:55]: XMMS and beep-media-player are almost the same, except that bmp came with more plug-ins. Yeah, and I don't see the point of using something at the XMMS feature level. I used to have bmp around until I noticed that I never used it any more

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-27 Thread Roger Burton West
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 09:53:21PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: Oh right. So I should use autoconf to detect things like readlink, /proc/self/exe and the like, and hence make it find itself better, and thus make it less hateful? :-) And an option to look at its inode number and delete all

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-27 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:00:46PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 09:53:21PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: Oh right. So I should use autoconf to detect things like readlink, /proc/self/exe and the like, and hence make it find itself better, and thus make it less

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-27 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
Nicholas Clark wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 01:48:32PM -0700, Joshua Juran wrote: On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org writes: I offer you this software that I've only just written. I don't think that it's that hateful: [likely

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-27 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 05:31:43PM -0400, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: Nicholas Clark wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 01:48:32PM -0700, Joshua Juran wrote: On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org writes: I offer you this software that I've

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-27 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
Nicholas Clark wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 05:31:43PM -0400, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: Nicholas Clark wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 01:48:32PM -0700, Joshua Juran wrote: On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org writes: I offer you this

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-27 Thread Benjamin Reed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6/26/09 5:35 PM, Nicholas Clark wrote: autoconf, automake and libtool. What more could one need? Actually, what other non-overlapping software could one legitimately use to increase the hate? This reminds me of an April Fools thing I planned

Re: Truth (BBC Radio)

2009-06-27 Thread Joshua Juran
On Jun 26, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Benjamin Reed wrote: On 6/26/09 5:35 PM, Nicholas Clark wrote: autoconf, automake and libtool. What more could one need? Actually, what other non-overlapping software could one legitimately use to increase the hate? This reminds me of an April Fools thing I

Re: Truth (BBC Radio)

2009-06-27 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
Joshua Juran wrote: On Jun 26, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Benjamin Reed wrote: On 6/26/09 5:35 PM, Nicholas Clark wrote: autoconf, automake and libtool. What more could one need? Actually, what other non-overlapping software could one legitimately use to increase the hate? This reminds me of

Re: Truth (BBC Radio)

2009-06-27 Thread Philip Newton
2009/6/27 Jarkko Hietaniemi j...@iki.fi: Joshua Juran wrote: On Jun 26, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Benjamin Reed wrote: On 6/26/09 5:35 PM, Nicholas Clark wrote: autoconf, automake and libtool. What more could one need? Actually, what other non-overlapping software could one legitimately use to

Re: Truth (BBC Radio)

2009-06-27 Thread Peter Corlett
On 27 Jun 2009, at 12:40, Joshua Juran wrote: [...] Well for starters, it's ridiculous to have separate codebases for / bin/true and /bin/false when they basically do the same thing. Why not combine the two into a single program, true-or-false, which takes a parameter? GNU true's

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-27 Thread Aaron J. Grier
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 03:50:24PM +0200, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: Dedicated music players all suck so bad that using *mplayer in a shell* turns out to suck less. I still regularly use a collection of shell scripts that call out to a set of players including (but not limited to) mplayer,

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-26 Thread Joshua Juran
On Jun 25, 2009, at 5:26 AM, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 03:57:51AM -0700, Joshua Juran wrote: RealAudio. Enough said. That's not a hate. That's a cop out. Please explain, for the benefit of listeners at home, why you love the software known as RealAudio. :-) To be

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-26 Thread Peter da Silva
All audio software sucks. Even the best audio software developers seem to think that the pinnacle of user interface design is whatever cheap and greasy keyboard or amplifier they were playing love shack on the night they first got laid is the BEST THING EVAR and forever want to bring that

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-26 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:13:25 -0500, Peter da Silva pe...@taronga.com wrote: All audio software sucks. Even the best audio software developers seem to think that the pinnacle of user interface design is whatever cheap and greasy keyboard or amplifier they were playing love shack on the

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-26 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* H.Merijn Brand h.m.br...@xs4all.nl [2009-06-26 12:55]: The best proof for that is bmp (beep-media-player) which had a perfectly working SIMPLE GUI, but was abandoned for bmp-2 that doesn't work as good for audio, but has an overbloated GUI. I have forever wanted something half-way between

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-26 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:50:24 +0200, Aristotle Pagaltzis pagalt...@gmx.de wrote: * H.Merijn Brand h.m.br...@xs4all.nl [2009-06-26 12:55]: The best proof for that is bmp (beep-media-player) which had a perfectly working SIMPLE GUI, but was abandoned for bmp-2 that doesn't work as good for

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-26 Thread Michael Leuchtenburg
Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: I have forever wanted something half-way between XMMS and iTunes (let me browse by metadata, but without abstracting away the file system behind a library), only with a bog-standard GUI. This requirement is so unclear it could only possibly lead you to hateful

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-26 Thread Numien
On 06/26/2009 03:37 PM, Michael Leuchtenburg wrote: This requirement is so unclear it could only possibly lead you to hateful software. There is another kind?

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-26 Thread Roger Burton West
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 03:47:49PM -0400, Numien wrote: On 06/26/2009 03:37 PM, Michael Leuchtenburg wrote: This requirement is so unclear it could only possibly lead you to hateful software. There is another kind? Software that hasn't been written yet?

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-26 Thread Michael Leuchtenburg
Roger Burton West wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 03:47:49PM -0400, Numien wrote: On 06/26/2009 03:37 PM, Michael Leuchtenburg wrote: This requirement is so unclear it could only possibly lead you to hateful software. There is another kind? Software that hasn't been written yet? Hello

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-26 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
There is another kind? Software that hasn't been written yet? Hello World isn't too hateful. So long as it isn't GNU hello. I see your hate and raise: info hello - Micheal -- There is this special biologist word we use for 'stable'. It is 'dead'. -- Jack Cohen

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-26 Thread Timothy Knox
Somewhere on Shadow Earth, at Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 04:03:38PM -0400, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: I see your hate and raise: info hello You had me at: -+ -- Timothy Knox mailto:t...@thelbane.com The problem is that once you have done away with the

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-26 Thread Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org writes: I offer you this software that I've only just written. I don't think that it's that hateful: $ cat goodbye_world.c #include stdio.h #include stdlib.h int main(int argc, char **argv) { puts(Goodbye world.); return remove(argv[0]); } $ gcc

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-26 Thread Joshua Juran
On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org writes: I offer you this software that I've only just written. I don't think that it's that hateful: $ cat goodbye_world.c #include stdio.h #include stdlib.h int main(int argc, char **argv) {

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-26 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 01:48:32PM -0700, Joshua Juran wrote: On Jun 26, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org writes: I offer you this software that I've only just written. I don't think that it's that hateful: [likely won't be usefully

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-26 Thread Joshua Juran
On Jun 26, 2009, at 3:48 AM, H.Merijn Brand wrote: /me cares much about backups, where precious plugins reside that /do/ work and somehow are not shipped with `better' or `enhanced' versions of audio-players At first I thought you were talking about plugins for backup software. On that

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-26 Thread Matthew King
Peter da Silva pe...@taronga.com writes: jwzAlso, whenever a programmer thinks, Hey, skins, what a cool idea, their computer's speakers should create some sort of cock- shaped soundwave and plunge it repeatedly through their skulls./jwz There are some times when I think to myself - That JWZ.

BBC Radio

2009-06-25 Thread Matthew King
Thank-you, i-player, for being so much more understanding of my needs than I am. What I really need you to do when I'm LISTENING to the radio is to pause whenever I switch to another viewport. After all what comes out of the speakers is not important, it's what's on the screen that matters when

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-25 Thread Peter Corlett
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 09:17:57AM +0100, Matthew King wrote: Thank-you, i-player, for being so much more understanding of my needs than I am. What I really need you to do when I'm LISTENING to the radio is to pause whenever I switch to another viewport. I found a really neat solution to the

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-25 Thread Matthew King
Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk writes: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 09:17:57AM +0100, Matthew King wrote: Thank-you, i-player, for being so much more understanding of my needs than I am. What I really need you to do when I'm LISTENING to the radio is to pause whenever I switch to another

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-25 Thread Roger Burton West
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:14:48AM +0100, Matthew King wrote: Unfortunately it's Thursday and I wanted to listen to a programme broadcast on Monday. The programme page contains a .ram file name. The remainder is left as an exercise for the student. R

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-25 Thread Joshua Juran
On Jun 25, 2009, at 3:23 AM, Roger Burton West wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:14:48AM +0100, Matthew King wrote: Unfortunately it's Thursday and I wanted to listen to a programme broadcast on Monday. The programme page contains a .ram file name. The remainder is left as an exercise for

Re: BBC Radio

2009-06-25 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 03:57:51AM -0700, Joshua Juran wrote: On Jun 25, 2009, at 3:23 AM, Roger Burton West wrote: The programme page contains a .ram file name. The remainder is left as an exercise for the student. RealAudio. Enough said. That's not a hate. That's a cop out. Please