Many slots versus few slots... (was [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows)

2005-03-06 Thread Micha Vermeer
wArg0d wrote: snip I have tried various player slot configs. what i have noticed is 24 seems to be the sweet spot for srcds servers. i don't know what the reason is. snip Why is it, that you guys only want servers with as much slots in them as possible?!? Maybe I am, and ppl like me, just

Re: Many slots versus few slots... (was [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows)

2005-03-06 Thread Ian mu
Yeah depends what kind of sweet spot you're talking about ;). I'd probably say 12-14 is pretty sweet performance wise, and we don't ever do any servers over 20 slots. More than than probably 18 they start to deteriorate slowly, but having said that they're also easier to keep going number of

Re: Many slots versus few slots... (was [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows)

2005-03-06 Thread Philipp G.
That is true, my tests have shown that resources required increase exponentially after 18 slots. From: Ian mu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: Many slots versus few slots... (was [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows) Date: Sun

Re: Many slots versus few slots... (was [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows)

2005-03-06 Thread wArgOd
Micha Vermeer wrote: wArg0d wrote: snip I have tried various player slot configs. what i have noticed is 24 seems to be the sweet spot for srcds servers. i don't know what the reason is. snip Why is it, that you guys only want servers with as much slots in them as possible?!? Maybe I am, and ppl

RE: Many slots versus few slots... (was [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows)

2005-03-06 Thread Micha Vermeer
snip My original point had to do with my observations that performance rolled off dramatically beginning at 25 players. I know, but I just wanted to ventilate my opinion, your remark that I highlighted just gave me the occasion Now don't damn me with flames yet... It certainly wasn't intended

Re: Many slots versus few slots... (was [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows)

2005-03-06 Thread wArgOd
all the emf servers are hosted out of dallas texas, usa. pretty good pings for the continental us states all around. Micha Vermeer wrote: snip My original point had to do with my observations that performance rolled off dramatically beginning at 25 players. I know, but I just wanted to ventilate

RE: Many slots versus few slots... (was [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows)

2005-03-06 Thread David Fencik
, 2005 1:22 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: Many slots versus few slots... (was [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows) all the emf servers are hosted out of dallas texas, usa. pretty good pings for the continental us states all around. Micha Vermeer wrote: snip My original point

RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-04 Thread K. Mike Bradley
] Switching from Linux to Windows K. Mike Bradley wrote: Even with 200 separate servers the client side requirements would be un-doable. I don't get what you mean. The client is only going to care about the server it's connected too. If that server has 16 slots in it, then it's no different than any

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-04 Thread Whisper
a top notch PC and bandwidth for each client to go much beyond that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of m0gely Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:17 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-04 Thread m0gely
K. Mike Bradley wrote: This is why we almost never see any servers set for more than 40 players. You have to have a top notch PC and bandwidth for each client to go much beyond that. Kindly read what I said. If a physical machine has 200 slots total on it, meaning 10 game server processes at 20

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-04 Thread Ian mu
Indeed, after hearing of the test setup valve had for it a bit back tbh I would scrub hl2dm. I've actually been on some hosts that run them just to see and confirmed they don't monitor their servers properly. We scrubbed them a fair few months back after extensive testing. If anyone hosts hl2dm

RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-03 Thread K. Mike Bradley
Even with 200 separate servers the client side requirements would be un-doable. Trim Trim Trim ... Snip Snip! Please trim your posts. He meant 200 slots across several servers. Which I would like to see proof of still. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-03 Thread m0gely
K. Mike Bradley wrote: Even with 200 separate servers the client side requirements would be un-doable. I don't get what you mean. The client is only going to care about the server it's connected too. If that server has 16 slots in it, then it's no different than any other 16 slot server, even if

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-03 Thread Whisper
I think the client is going to CARE when the server they are connected to starts running at 100% CPU utilisation constantly and the client is only receiving 10 updates a second (if that, they are more than likely going to be lagged to hell) and the they cannot shoot let alone hit anything or

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-03 Thread m0gely
Whisper wrote: I think the client is going to CARE when the server they are connected to starts running at 100% CPU utilisation constantly and the client is only receiving 10 updates a second This is a server side resource issue, Mike was commenting on client resources. He said client side

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread Whisper
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2. mars 2005 06:48 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows LOL...I can't resist this one. :D Your fresh out of high school here kid? They teach you that in home room. Flaming aside, you can't

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread Agent|BeNt
- Original Message - From: wArgOd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows damn ray, all your shit is at theplanet. everybody can save some bucks and hassle by going directly to theplanet.com can't they. Well first off the planet rents the whole box to you

RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread K. Mike Bradley
12:48 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows LOL...I can't resist this one. :D Your fresh out of high school here kid? They teach you that in home room. Flaming aside, you can't POSSIBLY host 200 slots on that server with what your screenshot shows

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread m0gely
K. Mike Bradley wrote: I don't see how a server with 200 players could possibly work in the real world considering the average persons home PC. Please trim your posts. He meant 200 slots across several servers. Which I would like to see proof of still. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread m0gely
wArgOd wrote: what you don't see is how i am not dead in the water when i have 200+ players. I think this and any box would crack and creak under this sort of load should many of the servers get to capacity. Tweaking services settings, etc. is fine but it doesn't automatically offer you 4 fold

RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

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Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread Renzo Rosales
I bet if he ran Gentoo, he could handle those 358 players :P /me puts on flame-repellant suit ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread wArgOd
m0gely wrote: P.S. Don't cuss at me. I only disagree. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike I only cuss at Ray because he holds a grudge against me and my bro's. ;-) If and when I get a full load while I am watching I will take a screenie. Fact is, servers are

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread ranger
: ranger To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows Hi, after many Years i decide to switch from my 2 Linux Server to one Windows Server 2003 Web Edition. now i am running 5 x 16 Slots 1.6/CS:S Servers on 2

[hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread Kevin Cantrell
Hopefully I am replying to this correctly. Wargod, I will try the things you mentioned. but keep in mind I am not running a dual Zeon box, I have Dual P4 1ghz. My expectations are to run 1 main 24 man Clan source server that is perfect in everyway. and run two 24/7 (custom map) 18 man

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread DLinkOZ
Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:44 AM Subject: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows Hopefully I am replying to this correctly. Wargod, I will try the things you mentioned. but keep in mind I am not running a dual Zeon box, I have Dual P4

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread Ian mu
Thats why I think warg0ds got the wrong end of the stick, the original question was for a single 2800+ xp, nothing to do with duals, and no one has said you can only run 3 or 4 servers on a dual cpu machine. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list

RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread Philipp G.
we're all fools when it comes down to it, especially you, Mr. Robinett. From: Shane Robinett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:36:53 -0500 This is a multi-part message

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread Philipp G.
Why don't you go play hide and go fuck yourself. From: wArgOd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:06:19 -0500 m0gely wrote: P.S. Don't cuss at me. I only disagree

RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread Alfred Reynolds
That language is not appropriate on this list. - Alfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philipp G. Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:21 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows Why don't you

RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread ray
could do that load but if anything could it'd be them. Ray S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wArgOd Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:06 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows m0gely wrote

RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread Darren Mason
, March 02, 2005 12:54 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows Look kid. Show a screen. Second, I run all of 4 CS servers so you have no basis to even comment on what I do or do not run on the machines since you have zero idea what you're talking about. So

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread m0gely
Kevin Cantrell wrote: Wargod, I will try the things you mentioned. but keep in mind I am not running a dual Zeon box, I have Dual P4 1ghz. Pentium IV's started out at 1.3GHz and are not dual proc compatible. If you're running dual 1GHz Intel then they are PIII's. The only SMP compatible Pentium

RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread Philipp G.
Couldn't help myself, stupid replies get stupid answers ;) From: Alfred Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:43:02 -0800 That language is not appropriate

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-02 Thread wArgOd
Kevin Cantrell wrote: My expectations are to run 1 main 24 man Clan source server that is perfect in everyway. and run two 24/7 (custom map) 18 man servers(with 4 reserve slots. I redirect a full server using mani-mod to my Main source server. so a total of 3 servers with 52 players max. OMG I

[hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread ranger
Hi, after many Years i decide to switch from my 2 Linux Server to one Windows Server 2003 Web Edition. now i am running 5 x 16 Slots 1.6/CS:S Servers on 2 machines, because the CPU Usage is to high for one machine. Can i host for my clan, 5x16 Slots CS 1.6/CS:S on one Windows Machine ?The

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread Ian mu
Altho windows does seem a bit better with cs/css and you'll probably get a bit more mileage, but not that much I think. I think 5*16 slot servers (assuming they can all get full at same time sometimes) will still be a bit too much really. If only say 3 are typically full you may get away with it.

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread ranger
-35ms, and i was wondering how many Slots Wondows could handle. wow thx - Original Message - From: ranger To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows Hi, after many Years i decide

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread Whisper
5 x 16 Servers is pushing it on any single CPU Well maybe not if you are using strict HLDS defaults, but as soon as you fiddle with it to improve the clients experience, you are going to get slapped. But then again only you know whether the probability of all 5 servers being full at the same

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread Mikee
That surprises me. What P4 CPU speed is it? I'm also surprised he doesn't have more RAM, and not using Win2003. - Original Message - From: ranger To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread wArgOd
Ian mu wrote: Altho windows does seem a bit better with cs/css and you'll probably get a bit more mileage, but not that much I think. I think 5*16 slot servers (assuming they can all get full at same time sometimes) will still be a bit too much really. If only say 3 are typically full you may get

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread List Keeper
wArgOd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian mu wrote: Altho windows does seem a bit better with cs/css and you'll probably get a bit more mileage, but not that much I think. I think 5*16 slot servers (assuming they can all get full at same time sometimes) will still be a bit too much really. If

RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread K2
01, 2005 11:31 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows Ian mu wrote: Altho windows does seem a bit better with cs/css and you'll probably get a bit more mileage, but not that much I think. I think 5*16 slot servers (assuming they can all get full

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread m0gely
K2 wrote: Curious as to what your minrate and maxrate settings are to be able to host that many players on the same machine at once. And I think I speak for a lot of people reading ;) - K2 I just want to see proof that all those servers are running and well populated at the same time. You can

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread Ian mu
hehe yeah I'd be interested in the tuning ;). Would be even more interested in the IPs so can see how full they are and test them :). ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:

RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread ironchef
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Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread wArgOd
Ian mu wrote: hehe yeah I'd be interested in the tuning ;). Would be even more interested in the IPs so can see how full they are and test them :). ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread Ian mu
Well done in managing to evade anything that will possibly help the original poster when others are trying to advise about what will help on a single processor setup where there's less chance of aggregating like you are. Kinda familiar :), another simple setup that works by the law of averages of

RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread ray
operator in this list. GG! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wArgOd Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:53 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows Ian mu wrote: hehe yeah I'd be interested

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread wArgOd
what an impressive pile of feces you are. what you don't see is how i am not dead in the water when i have 200+ players. nor do you have enough comprehension of my server's capabilities to comprehend load balancing. nor do you know shit about clocks or the importance of the clock display to

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread wArgOd
at least your reply, if very unqualified, is coherent. unlike the dumbasses who want more than a flame war. Ian mu wrote: Well done in managing to evade anything that will possibly help the original poster when others are trying to advise about what will help on a single processor setup where

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread wArgOd
proved it to every HLDS operator in this list. GG! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wArgOd Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:53 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows Ian mu wrote: hehe yeah I'd

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread wArgOd
damn ray, all your shit is at theplanet. everybody can save some bucks and hassle by going directly to theplanet.com can't they. you don't have anything original do you? all talk. you are a worthless middleman leech pissed off because your value proposition is drying up fast as we, the

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread Simon Garner
On 2/03/2005 5:21 p.m., wArgOd wrote: what an impressive pile of feces you are. what you don't see is how i am not dead in the water when i have 200+ players. So make a screenshot and prove it... since it's clear from the first one that the half-full 32 player and the half-full 16 player are by

Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread Z Teknology G-Mail
Wow wargod, can you cry ANYMORE tonight. Act your age perphaps? Zack wArgOd wrote: damn ray, all your shit is at theplanet. everybody can save some bucks and hassle by going directly to theplanet.com can't they. you don't have anything original do you? all talk. you are a worthless middleman

RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread ray
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wArgOd Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:22 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows what an impressive pile of feces you are. what you don't see is how i am not dead in the water when i

RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

2005-03-01 Thread Alexander Kobbevik
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wArgOd Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:22 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows what an impressive pile of feces you are. what you don't see is how i am not dead in the water when i