there are others out there. can you suggest some horn
books,
not
methods, from pre 1957?
LLB
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Some may think this is not necessarily horn related, but I think those
who travel with their horn will really appreciate it. Plus, it is a
good group.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo
Paul Navarro
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Jeremy wrote:
You can have whatever length of taper you'd like. It's the rate of
taper that's important. If the rate of taper of both the leadpipe and
the mouthpice are identical (which is an agreed upon standard), then
your mouthpiece could go in .1 or 2 and it won't make any
difference. That
HI Steve,
Here is a very basic answer to your question.
A lead pipe has three primary physical components that are important
to its acoustical design.
They are:
A. the negative taper. This is the 1st section (aprox. 1/2 to 1 long)
that the mouthpiece fits into.
It is called the negative
)
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on 1/2 tape.
The Jack Attack!
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length is added to
the A
slide for stopping.
Some other makers also have this option available.
Paul Navarro
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you up of MSU.
Ellen
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No, the player in question is not Myron Bloom.
While Myron is in his early 80's, I have to agree with Orlando, he
certainly does not look his age.
Also, not only did he do a great job on the Mahler 4th last summer,
just a few months before that, he did a beautiful performance of the
Brahms
Here are some observations I would like to share in regards to some of
the recent postings on the horn list.
First of all, as to the Schmidt mouthpipe being called a a narrow
taper mouthpipe, I think that this is somewhat misleading terminology.
The generally accepted description by most
Here are some observations I would like to share in regards to some of
the recent postings on the horn list.
First of all, as to the Schmidt mouthpipe being called a a narrow
taper mouthpipe, I think that this is somewhat misleading terminology.
The generally accepted description by most
Hello,
I am looking for contact information for Robert Cherry, U.S.Army Field Band.
If anyone has his email address or phone number, I would really appreciate it
if you would e-mail it to me privately at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I need to contact him regarding an I .U. matter.
Thank you,
Paul
In the past I have had several problems getting my horn on the smaller
planes.
However, since I purchased a Bonna case that has a removable bell section, I
have had no problems
at all.
Recently flying between Stockholm and Oslo, I encountered the most adamant
flight attendant who insisted
To all members of the hornlist:
Today was the funeral service for our esteemed colleague, Walter Lawson.
Yesterday I contacted Heidi Vogel (Executive Secretary of the IHS) and asked
her to present to the IHS advisory board my request to form a Walter Lawson
Memorial Scholarship.
Heidi agreed
In a message dated 6/27/07 9:41:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The foundations, or I might say the basis, is the
quality of sound and the quality articulation in the lower and
central range. Working properly on that, everything else comes as a
consequence by steady study.
That is my
I am greatly saddened to hear of Walter's death.
He has been a very close friend to me for the last 37 years and I have met
few people in my lifetime who were as generous and helpful as Walter. His
devotion to his family was an example for all of us.
His spirit of embracing learning and sharing
In a message dated 5/6/07 7:41:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You would not believe how good it sounds!
You should have heard the Memphis Jug Band's first all Brahms concert !!
P .N.
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It depends. Which one has a bigger first branch: the 8D,
the Geyer, or the tree?
Gotta go,
Cabbage
Das ist gut !!
Leaf it to you !!!
P.N.
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It dependsAnsel Adams comes to mind.
Might be a good time to take another look at Ansel Adams work -- black,
white, and innumerable shades of gray.
Paul N.
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This entire discussion is getting pretty boring.
The goal of any artist musician is to convey emotional images in sound.
To convey a message to the listener.
To effectively accomplish this one has to know much about the musical
intentions of the composer and then do their best to bring these
In a message dated 4/23/07 10:03:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I wouldn't use lanolin on the slides. Mixing animal fat with petroleum is
not a good idea. You'll end up with a white slimy mess which eventually
will
gum up your valves.
I have been using lanolin on my slides for
In a message dated 12/24/06 8:38:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Duoh, Wendell, it's gonna be 2007 but thanks for the good wishes anyway!
Kendall,
Please show some respect for California time:)
also, Have a Merry christmas
Paul Navarro
Hello All,
This is just a notice that a colleague of mine has a black like new Bonna
Flight case for sale.
( model GB-MB5 )
She asked me if i would post it for her here on the list.
If you would like to reach her about it, her email is:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Paul Navarro
In a message dated 12/7/06 4:40:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I used a Meinl flare on my Alex 107 and it made a great difference in
the sound as compared to the stock Alex flare.
One of the problems here is which Meinl !!
There are several who manufacture instruments.
Gerhard
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I think Paul Navarro was working with Meinl 5 to 7 years ago to develop an
8d replacement flare. Perhaps this is one of those. Paul contributes to
this list from time to time, so perhaps he will give better and more
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used a Meinl flare on my Alex 107 and it made a great difference in
the sound as compared to the stock Alex flare.
Meinl makes the stock Alex bells.
Paul Navarro
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There is a saying we have here in the good old US of A...Don't dish it out
if
you
can't take it back!
We have another saying here in the good old US of A---one worth
considering here during these particular
In a message dated 6/30/06 1:20:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Place the horn on one's lap or in a vise with the slides pointing
straight up. A repair person on this list will have the
best way to do this .
Rachael,
Are you serious???
Never, I repeat, never, put your horn in a vise.
In a message dated 6/30/06 10:04:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When I need a horn held steady for something I'm about to do to it, I place
in the vise a wood block out of which extend two parallel wood dowels,
spaced to fit into two sides of a valve slide or tuning slide. That holds
the
Hi Dave,
You probably have had some swelling in your mouth and throat due to these
problems.
Allow your body to return to normal.
Most importantly -- do not psych your self out over this.
If you are practicing intelligently, paying attention to what is happening in
the present-without worrying
This is just a note to let players know that there is a Lawson descant for
sale on E bay
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Actually, the sound happens even just with air going
through the horn when I press the trigger, only on the
thumb trigger. I can blow through the horn and not
play a note, but there is this loud air noise at the
change valve
In a message dated 4/27/06 1:53:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The wax idea would
serve a similar function as the graphite and indeed one could use a chunk of
bakers paraffin too (found in the baking aisle of your grocer)
Wax from a candle will also work just as well. A very small
Hi Steve,
This Stone's song, You can't always get what you want was recorded in
London with the London Bach Choir.
The horn player was Al Kooper, who also played piano and organ on the
recording.
It probably was not a Vienna horn.
Paul Navarro
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I'd also like to believe after 6 years of college, I'm not that stupid.
Hello Mara,
It is not a question of being stupid, it is a question of having enough
awareness and the correct knowledge to be able to self diagnose and
Hi Ron,
It should be played exactly as written-plus, all eight players should phrase
identically--
as smoothly as possible with a seamless phrase.
Just keep a very steady air column going and sing !
Paul Navarro
Lyric Opera of Chicago (ret.)
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I recently got a Berp, and went to the website to check it out. I didn't
know Berp also sells cases. Anyone familiar with the quality of these
cases?
Hello, It really is not necessary to buy a case for your new Berp.
You
In a message dated 2/6/06 9:03:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is what I thought. However on this horn the 4th
is indeed exactly the same length as the 1st. It can
be used as an altenate 1st valve, and when used for
stopping, the pitch is flat.
Perhaps the only explanation is that
In a message dated 2/6/06 11:43:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Bb horns with an A/+ stop valve, there is a short section which extends
the stopping slide from 3/4 tone to a full tone
The short removable section that is present on most Bb horns is an extension
to lengthen the A
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've never seen
a 5V Bb with the Bb/Ab setup you describe
Isn't the King Bb horn he was describing a 4 valve horn?
Paul Navarro
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In a message dated 2/3/06 12:37:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anyone out there have any success with fixing this specific sort of
problem?
If there are any ledges, then the slide must be dissasembled and reassembled
without the ledges.
Also, the slide may have been assembled with a
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I'm not sure when it was
made. The other's I tried were early ones, I think. As to prices, here
are
today's prices at The Brasswind and the Woodwind of South Bend IN:
Conn 8D - $3,079
Yamaha 886II N - $2,957
In a message dated 1/23/06 11:22:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
helps the performer achieve a level of
flexibility with the instrument that allows them to change or adapt to any
necessary criteria in a moments notice.
This is to clarify what allows them to change or adapt to any
In a message dated 1/24/06 1:03:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think a better way to look at the idea of
tone production would be to apply different colors'
of sound depending on the individual piece
This is a healthy and correct approach to sound/tone.
It is important to think of
This question about lighter weight or heavier weight horns is very complex.
How does weight affect a horn?
Does it make it louder, softer, brighter, darker, flexible, stiff, resonant,
dead ???--the list could go on and on.
Since the issue of weight is so complicated and can affect so many
In a message dated 1/23/06 11:27:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've sat in sections that would make you go blind from how loud
it was down there but you go out in the audience and ... nothing.
Steve,
Isn't it sort of funny how players can get tricked into believing that loud
really
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It's such an interesting problem in instrument construction, that of
reducing
weight, that I think one should first ask the question, why do it? So I ask
the posting public, do you think a lighter weight horn has advantages,
In a message dated 1/9/06 1:01:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This uneven wear occurs at a much higher rate if the rotors are allowed
to get loose, so having loose bearings tightened is probably the most
cost effective repair you can have done.
Hi Bill,
This is so very true, The cost
In a message dated 1/9/06 9:03:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I do not think that Dave was advertising to the list when he posted his
knowledge of rotors. (Doesn't Osmun commonly post - 'see our website link
below for more information').
Upon opening my e-mail this morning it
In a message dated 1/9/06 4:37:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Am I making too big an issue over valve timing or
should the timing marks from the bearing to the cap
line up exactly?
Hi Kathy,
I believe that the timing marks should match up exactly- unless there is a
problem with them
In a message dated 1/8/06 6:20:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Several posters to this list have claimed that you can improve the air seal
of a horn by removing the end play, causing the valve to seat lower in the
casing. Because the valves are tapered, seating the rotor lower will cause
In a message dated 1/9/06 12:20:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have saved many clients the necessity of having their valves replated
using
this method and it (again, if done correctly), works very well.
I would like to add to this post that this process is not one of just
In a message dated 1/6/06 5:22:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From the player's viewpoint, what are the signs and symptoms suggestive of
valves that are leaking? Are there some tests that can be done at home to
confirm one's suspicions prior to taking the horn to a repair
In a message dated 1/6/06 5:22:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From the player's viewpoint, what are the signs and symptoms suggestive of
valves that are leaking? Are there some tests that can be done at home to
confirm one's suspicions prior to taking the horn to a repair
In a message dated 1/7/06 12:54:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A leak somewhere will usually cause a buzz somewhere on a
certain pitch, right?
Hi William,
I do not believe that this is true in relation to valve leakage- or even
other leakage sometimes- such as solder breaks in tube
In a message dated 1/7/06 12:34:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Hi Paul. You took the words right out of my mouth. I would (if I might be
presumtuous) add three points to your fine and comprehensive piece:
1. Another sign of leakage is the drop in pitch of the Bb horn in relation
to the F.
In a message dated 1/7/06 2:09:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well it's happened on my horn due to a minor solder break and it's
happened
on other horns due to small leakages that pop up from time to time in
certain
places.
Unless my ears were deceiving me? I heard from both cases
In a message dated 12/23/05 5:22:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
their student instruments usually play as well or better than their custom,
hand made horns of the same design.
Yamaha's Custom Series (800 models) included the following:
Model 861- a Geyer style instrument
In a message dated 12/23/05 10:17:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There were/are at least 3 more Yamaha Custom horn models:
Klaus,
Yamaha did not have equal worldwide availability on all of their Custom
models.
Some were more easily available in Japan and Europe than in the US.
The
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You wonder what goes through the minds of the
producers.
David and all,
Unfortunately, one of the big concerns of producers today (as I have
witnessed on many recording sessions), is that the cost of recording (studio
time,
In a message dated 10/10/05 6:48:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You wonder what goes through the minds of the
producers.
David and all,
Unfortunately, one of the big concerns of producers today (as I have
witnessed on many recording sessions), is that the cost of recording (studio
time,
In a message dated 10/10/05 2:14:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But the main problems for recordings is the feed-back, so to
say the SALE. As long as pop music could pay for classical
recordings, the world was in good order,
Hi Hans,
I was refering mostly to commercial recordings- studio
In a message dated 6/16/05 11:53:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Let's take this discussion off the list please.
Why?
Paul Navarro
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The purpose of the Horn Discussion Group is to provide a forum for
electronic conversation about all things relating to the horn's
playing technique, repertoire, ensembles, personalities, and so on.
You might want to
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How do you do this?
Hi Howard,
The hole for the string is drilled through the middle of the length of the
push /piston and is smaller than the smallest diameter of the push /piston,
therefore no leak occurs at any time.
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How do you do this
Howard, as I expected might happen, when I sent the posting, the formatting
was moved by AOL and the lines came out in the wrong places.
I hope you can get the general idea though.
There is no hole through
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How do you do this?
Howard,
If this diagram and explanation doesn't make sense, send me your phone # and
I will fax you a drawing of it.
Paul
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I'm sorry I caused suck a spit valve ruckus.
Aleks,
Don't be sorry, that's what we are here for !
Paul
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Hello Aleks,
Yes, it is possible to change the type of water key from the lever type to
the Amado type.
The success of this repair depends on the size of the hole drilled for the
nipple of the lever type key.
There has to be enough surface for the amado key to be well soldered on for
the
Concerning Aleks question--
As to statements that the hole is generally too big for this to work, one
must check the size of the hole before judging the size without seeing it.
Disassemble the lever style key and look at the size of the hole. Compare it to
the
hole in the barrel of the Amado
In a message dated 5/8/05 2:36:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I agree with everything you say. And I also hear your frustration because
there's nothing you can do to level the playing field, and you find yourself
backed up against your own integrity. The important question is, exactly
Since my last posting on this subject, I have changed my mind about
continuing this thread and thought it might be helpful to take a different
approach
to this discussion in the possibility that some information might help some
players be more discerning about what might have to be done
Fellow colleagues,
Here is a great example of why to be careful when using ebay.
Check out item # 7321051354 Conn 8D
read the write up carefully and then go to their feedback and check out the
item they bought
#7310468415 Conn 8D
Read their comments about the bell, and then look
In a message dated 5/7/05 5:55:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I would not enjoy being fooled in this way, but if the horn plays well,
where
is the harm? I would feel more embarrassment, than harm. I guess I don't
much care what they tell me as long as I have recourse to evaluate the
In a message dated 3/28/05 7:40:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I believe the R series was the last letter series and,
TTBOMK, they were made in both Indiana and Texas.
I have an unaltered R horn that has a Texas bell and
tapered Elkhart rotors.
The R series horns ,regardless of
Hello All-
In support of what Ken Pope has written, the sellers of this instrument have
been informed that the bell is not an Elkhart bell and that they are
advertising the horn as an Elkhart horn. Their answer is thank you for the
information.
This borders very closely as fraudulent
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And what about that serial number (R35011, circa 1972)? I thought the
older Elkhart 8D's only went up to the N series
R series are Texas horns.
As to the mechanical Bb lever, if you were to buy several older beat
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To add a bit more confusion to the subject,
I have had many different responses to carrying my horn on board, but one was
probably the most honest.
After having to buy an extra seat for my horn on a flight to a concert series
in Banff that I was playing, I finally got fed up
Just for the record with all of this talk about acid bathing valve rotors,
if you are not diluting the acid, you are not doing it correctly.
Paul Navarro
Custom Horn
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The B and S factory in East Germany (the company that used to make Hoyers)
also made an Alex 103 copy .
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Would it be better to oil through a male tube?
Using this manner of oiling, it is possible to get extraneous slide grease or
other matter into the valves from the crook attached to the slide
tube-especially if there is any
Wendel ,
A 7s Bach has their symphonic backbore( which is a little bigger than the
normal 7).
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Since I have received a few private emails concerning information about the
book on mouthpieces that I mentioned in my earlier post on mouthpieces,
here is the information that I have:
Title:Understanding the Mouthpiece
Authors: John and Phyllis Stork
Publisher: Editions Bim
One of the most important decisions that the player has to make when choosing
a mouthpiece is what inner diameter(I.D.) fits your musculature.
Lip size and shape are important considerations in determining this.
The upper rim of the mouthpiece must be above the vibrating surface of the
lip and
In a message dated 9/16/04 4:22:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Couldn't our practice time be
better spent on other facets of the endeavor?
It all depends on how you practice scales.
If you mindlessly run through them, then playing them is not to a useful
purpose.
However, since we are
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Exclusive Bundy, Carl Fischer, Olds Ambassador, Sansone and Conn Artist Who
Does Not Get His Horns For Free
Dear Sir:
A representative from our company recently heard your performance with the NJ
Turnpike Authority Drum and
It is probably important to note here that most insurance policies do not
cover damage caused to your horn out of stupidity.
Any reference to some postings on this subject are not co- incidental.
Paul Navarro
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In a message dated 9/10/04 7:16:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So the
question is has anyone tried an alcohol rinse (in addition to general
cleaning I suppose) and would it be of any help in routine cleaning??
Robert,
The cleaning of the valves and slides with alcohol before storing a
In a message dated 9/8/04 9:02:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
and put one last coat of quality oil before storage.
No, a final last coat of quality oil is not necessary or desirable.
The oil will congeal and gum up and make slides and valves hard to move or
to freeze.
It is better to
jrc in SC
It shouldn't be too expensive to make a do it yourself screw bell conversion
kit.
I would only cost about $1000.
$100 for the ring
$ 50 for the instructions
$ 100 for the necessary tools and supplies( unless you already have an
adequate torch)
$ 750 for a qualified repair tech
I hope more people-both players and repair techs- will come out as Paul
Mansur has when he called these horns Chinese junk.
I,unfortunately, have had the opportunity to work on several of these horns
and completely agree with his evaluation.
I have not found even one aspect of these horns that
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For
example, First Act instruments have a warranty - a two year warranty!
David,
I was suprised at part of your response.
WHAT GOOD IS A TWO YEAR WARRANTY IF THE HORN DOES NOT PLAY WELL???
Paul Navarro
Custom Horn
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