Re: RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff

2003-10-20 Thread Chris Tedesco
Although that joke is "SOOO early 90's", I laughed anyway. Chris --- Rodney King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hans and Hoss, > > Can't we all just get along??? > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/op

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2003-10-20 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
In a message dated 20/10/2003 17:39:42 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Figure out how to get around the "reply" action of your mailer and take > it off-list. > Shame on you Leigh! Would you deprive us all of a good fight? My God, since they shut down the Radcliffe cock-fighti

Re: RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff

2003-10-20 Thread Jjhosshorn
All in good fun, Hans, yes I see your point and I understand it, sorry list, Hoss ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

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2003-10-20 Thread Rodney King
Hans and Hoss, Can't we all just get along??? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

Re: RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff

2003-10-20 Thread giovanniarcangeli
grees. Let us not have to experience more breakdowns in civil discourse but always upbuild the other person. > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Pizka) > Date: 2003/10/20 Mon AM 11:19:35 CDT > To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [Hornli

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2003-10-20 Thread Leigh Alexander
Hoss and Hans Bloody h*ll, this reoccurring head-butting battle for supremacy between a new buck and an alpha buck is boring the cr*p out of the long-term, less testosterone driven of the herd! Maybe the both of you could stop beating the rest of us to death with your respective banners. We've

Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff

2003-10-20 Thread Fred Baucom
Hoss wrote: Does it matter if it is extreme? Sounds like you're running out of Fascist support. How is this "ending it nicely"? Identifying anyone with Fascism is the opposite of "nice"you have to expect a not too pleasant response to something like that Fred

RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff

2003-10-20 Thread Hans Pizka
Are you really free in your country ??? Patriot act ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff Free

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2003-10-20 Thread Hans Pizka
Subject: RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff Regarding Thomas Quasthoff... At 10:45 PM 10/19/2003 +0200, you wrote: >He cannot perform in a staged opera due to his physical status. Was he not in a staged version of Fidelio this past year in Salzburg, or was that concer

Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR

2003-10-20 Thread Francis Pressland
Having just enjoyed Playing the "Gurre-Lieder" and "Pelias and Melisande" I just have to speak out. YES I do enjoy Schönberg. Try Moses and Aron sometime, such wonderful romantic music. I am surprised at you Hans! :-) Francis > On Saturday, October 18, 2003, at 12:30 AM, Hans Pizka wrote:

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2003-10-20 Thread Francis Pressland
Here Here!! Francis ps If you see your namesake Paul Evans, say Hi from me! > Michael Scheimer, in relation to Hans Pizka, wrote: > > >If you really think that, I don't know how you ever survived playing so > > long because it would have been really tough telling all of those > conducto

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2003-10-20 Thread Amy Jo McBeth
Regarding Thomas Quasthoff... At 10:45 PM 10/19/2003 +0200, you wrote: He cannot perform in a staged opera due to his physical status. Was he not in a staged version of Fidelio this past year in Salzburg, or was that concerted? I believe there was a concerted version in Berlin, but I thought

Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff

2003-10-20 Thread Jjhosshorn
Free country hans.Free country! Tried to end it nicely now I'm just not going to respond! Hoss ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff

2003-10-19 Thread Hans Pizka
, task, whatever. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff I agree, but to discourage a beginni

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2003-10-19 Thread Hans Pizka
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Kosta Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff Hans is correct, talking about the 'extremes' does not usually help the vast majority who are somewhere in the middle. Ha

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2003-10-19 Thread Hans Pizka
0:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff Does it matter if it is extreme? Sounds like you're running out of Fascist support. Hoss ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memp

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2003-10-19 Thread Clayton
Clayton Whetmore, here: Hans Pizka wrote: Do you know the sentence "pearls before swine " Oh what fun we can have, quoting proverbs! Do you know the sentence "beast before beauty..."? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://mus

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2003-10-19 Thread Jjhosshorn
Rudy is a true story thank you very much! Given it took place in a simpler time but it was the truth! I was only pointing out the David vs. Galiath point of the story. Moulin rouge was the most horrible piece of crap I've ever seen in my life.and don't knock Bette Midler she's pretty hot

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2003-10-19 Thread Josh Cheuvront
rtcomings which they cannot, or have constant difficulty overcoming, maybe there are other avenues out there which would be more fulfilling. Go ahead and give it your best, but if you aren't getting anywhere, use your head. Josh - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> T

Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff

2003-10-19 Thread Jjhosshorn
I agree, but to discourage a beginning player with a serious problem was very harsh of Hans especially without having firsthand knowledge of the player in question. Has everyone of us never had a major problem with our playing that needed fixed? If our teachers and mentors discouraged us inste

[Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff

2003-10-19 Thread J. Kosta
Hans is correct, talking about the 'extremes' does not usually help the vast majority who are somewhere in the middle. Hans' views are realistic, and not discrimination - I am sure he would acknowledge great playing by any person - even if the player was an 'extreme'. Jay Kosta Endwell NY USA No

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2003-10-19 Thread Jjhosshorn
Does it matter if it is extreme? Sounds like you're running out of Fascist support. Hoss ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org

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2003-10-19 Thread Ted Durant
David Thompson wrote: It often seems that is has never occurred to the student to step back and view the work as a highly Romantic and lyrical one, and to try focusing on playing long, expressive lines, rather than concentrating on the short-term technical challenges. Isn't that really quite natur

RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff

2003-10-19 Thread Hans Pizka
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Tedesco Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:05 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff that reminds me of Thomas Quasthoff. Thomas Quasthoff is famous baritone with some physical deformities, but has made some great

Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR

2003-10-19 Thread Chris Tedesco
That's interesting that you mention that, because I thought the same thing one day in class listening to Verklerte Nacht. I listened to a decent amount of the 2nd Viennese school this past year, as I took a class about Freud and Fin De Siecle` Vienna (pardon that if it's horriblely missppeled), an

RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR-Thomas Quasthoff

2003-10-19 Thread Chris Tedesco
=== > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR > > Professor Pizka and o

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2003-10-19 Thread Joe Kaluza
about at least. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 12:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR I suggest we all take a break from this bantering and watc

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2003-10-19 Thread Hans Pizka
003 2:54 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR Message text written by The Horn List >The audience would starting laughing, special when he encounters the 6 feet + Bruennhilde of 150 pounds. His voice will not matter then. If he wears high heels, he would walk on stag

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2003-10-19 Thread Paul Kampen
Message text written by The Horn List >The audience would starting laughing, special when he encounters the 6 feet + Bruennhilde of 150 pounds. His voice will not matter then. If he wears high heels, he would walk on stage quite comical & degrade to a caricature of the role. But he might be very g

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2003-10-18 Thread Scheimy
In a message dated 10/18/2003 2:29:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Very interesting, Hans. Schoenberg is one of those composers where you > really > appreciate his music once you start working on it. Most audience members > never have the perspective of growing with t

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2003-10-18 Thread David B. Thompson
Bob Ward wrote: >I have realized that the key to having it sound right is to approach >it and interpret it as a Romantic style, since that is the genesis of >this genre of music. There are many more modern composers that I >do think are excessively academic and largely devoid of emotional >content

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2003-10-18 Thread Hans Pizka
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR Very interesting, Hans. Schoenberg is one of those composers where you really appreciate his music once you start working on it. Most audience members never have the perspective of growing with the music, either, which is

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2003-10-18 Thread Valkhorn
mean they aren't going to sell two million CDs of Stravinsky. Also, it's highly subject to personal tastes anyways. -William In a message dated 10/18/2003 12:26:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Subj: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR > Date: 10/18/200

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2003-10-18 Thread Billbamberg
In a message dated 10/18/2003 11:23:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I think that's also what is problematic with 'pop' music. It's manufactured > > (I'll save the word 'composed' for music that is deserving of the word) just > so > people will dance to it, or passivel

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2003-10-18 Thread Valkhorn
music from the inside, as it were, rather than as a bystander. -William In a message dated 10/18/2003 11:00:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Subj: RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR > Date: 10/18/2003 11:00:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time > From: mailto:[EMAIL PROT

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2003-10-18 Thread Valkhorn
ssively hear it. Seldom is popular music actually listened to since compared to Bartok it is pretty much pathetic. -William In a message dated 10/18/2003 10:30:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Subj: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR > Date: 10/18/2003 10:30:39 A

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2003-10-18 Thread Hans Pizka
Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Osmun Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 5:38 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR Schönberg was once asked by a critic why he wrote "ugly" music. His reply:

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2003-10-18 Thread Billbamberg
In a message dated 10/18/2003 9:38:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Approach everything as if it were great music. Someday you might get > surprised Younger musicians are being trained with no distinction between 'pop' music and 'classical.' My son is equally at home pl

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2003-10-18 Thread Robert Osmun
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hans Pizka Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:43 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR Alban Berg is quite different to Schoenberg, dear Bob. Alban Berg is a real late Romantic

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2003-10-18 Thread Hans Pizka
Robert Ward Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 3:08 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR Hi all, Was moved to write by Hans comment below - over the years, my thinking on Schoenberg and his buddies has changed - when I was a student and then as a young professional, I used to

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2003-10-18 Thread Jjhosshorn
You ideals are very third world- I accept my neighbor do you? Can't you see the beauty inside the 5'5" sigfried? Maybe you missed the point? The elephant like woman probably has more character and heart and understanding of the world then you ever will- if this is true how can you express mor

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2003-10-18 Thread Robert Ward
Hi all, Was moved to write by Hans comment below - over the years, my thinking on Schoenberg and his buddies has changed - when I was a student and then as a young professional, I used to think of that style of 12-tone music as very intellectual and cold - but now, I have realized that the key

RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR

2003-10-18 Thread Hans Pizka
= -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 4:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR I'm sure that Scönberg's or Cage's definition of music i

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2003-10-18 Thread Hans Pizka
ED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 2:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR Hans, Your ideals are maybe a little too third world for us americans, but they are very true. Remember that the majority of this list is American

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2003-10-17 Thread Jjhosshorn
I suggest we all take a break from this bantering and watch the movie "Rudy" About a less than worthy football player trying to make it at Notre Dame. The story is quite appropriate. Hoss ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music

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2003-10-17 Thread Graeme Evans
Michael Scheimer, in relation to Hans Pizka, wrote: >If you really think that, I don't know how you ever survived playing so > long because it would have been really tough telling all of those conductors > that they were wrong. Don't worry! He LOVES it!! (Quite a lot of us do, actually!)

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2003-10-17 Thread Scheimy
Professor, You keep on mentioning not to bring up "exceptions" to the table of not idealistic horn players who have made it. Many have already been named in previous postings and there are many more. Why aren't they allowed to be made examples and inspirations for the young people with

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2003-10-17 Thread Jjhosshorn
Hans, Your ideals are maybe a little too third world for us americans, but they are very true. Remember that the majority of this list is American and the majority of us were raised with the ideal that we could DO anything we set our minds to. I have a certain medical condition that hinders t

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2003-10-17 Thread Billbamberg
In a message dated 10/17/2003 2:25:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > He never can get close to the ideal musician. Playing as a professional > horn player is a bigger matter than you might be able to imagine. It is > not a matter of just play a few years - but fall a burden

RE: [Hornlist] something to think HR

2003-10-17 Thread Hans Pizka
--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR Professor Pizka and others, While you continually make this point about some people are not suited for so

Re: [Hornlist] something to think HR

2003-10-17 Thread Scheimy
Professor Pizka and others, While you continually make this point about some people are not suited for some things, I feel that you go about it in the wrong fashion. It seems that your take on the matter is that if someone tries to make it in the world of horn playing, who does not have

[Hornlist] something to think HR

2003-10-17 Thread Hans Pizka
If you compare the running qualities of a model athlete (ideal slim body, long legs of equal length, good lung capacity above average etc.) with the qualities of a rather fat and heavier person with short legs differing in length too, you will find out the winner easily. The shorty can work hard