Re: FTPing a ADRDSSU file

2005-05-13 Thread Ed Gould
on 5/13/05 9:22 PM, Bruce Black at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >> IIRC the blksize ends up being greater than 32K (with DFDSS) and FTP drops >> anything after 32K. The "trick" is to tell DFDSS (via blkszie=32760)" not to >> create large blksizes. >> > I am not positive, but I believe that wh

Re: Corrupted SMF record

2005-05-13 Thread Bruce Black
Let me throw in an opinion that I have expressed before, but not for a few years. When SMF records are dumped from the active SMF dataset, they can be converted to VB instead of VBS (spanned). When I researched this some years ago I found that the SMF rules said that the largest valid SMF rec

Re: FTPing a ADRDSSU file

2005-05-13 Thread Bruce Black
IIRC the blksize ends up being greater than 32K (with DFDSS) and FTP drops anything after 32K. The "trick" is to tell DFDSS (via blkszie=32760)" not to create large blksizes. I am not positive, but I believe that when the output backup file is on disk, DSS writes only blocks up to 32K in length (

Re: 80 byte jcl record limit

2005-05-13 Thread Ed Gould
on 5/13/05 3:44 PM, Volker Bandke at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Low, David said the following on 05/13/2005 08:27 >It would be great if JCL > records could extend to 32K and handle both fixed and variable length > records. No more line co

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
Actually Bill, the TRUNC option only apply for programs using MOVE or IF including literals. So a MOVE 32767 to OsParms-Length or IF OsParms-Length > 1 might fail depending on the TRUNC option in this case. As the OsParm-length is currently limited to 100 bytes it will never fail regardl

Fw: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Bill Klein
Actually Roland, Programs written that way MAY fail with parms longer than (depending upon TRUNC setting). I have made a number of RCF's suggesting that code samples "like this" should change from COMP to COMP-5. Have you seen how the current IBM documentation shows this technique? See:

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
Adrian, I agree with you regarding the 32K, but after reading some posting it seems people asking for "unlimited" parms. I also would like to see some improvements in this area but everything beside 256 is a nightmare for me. Of course LE runtime overriding is an issue with some user PARM. Per

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Adrian H Auer-Hudson
--- "Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:59:54 +0200 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PARM= All of our Cobol programs using the PARM will fail if the parm length exceed 32767

Re: 80 byte jcl record limit

2005-05-13 Thread Leonard Woren
The fact that this thread split off from the PARM= thread and then wrapped back demonstrates something else: JCL itself is an anacronism. In the Future Work Flow Manager ("FWFM") white paper from about 1980, SHARE suggested that having different command languages for batch and TSO (and whatever els

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Charles Mills
> an authorized program that breaks in any way due to a long parm was incorrectly written in the first place Agreed. But that won't get your data back, or make the dumb "mainframe hacked" stories go away. I would say pretty much by definition all viruses exploit programs that were "incorrectly w

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Leonard Woren
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 02:53:00PM -0700, Charles Mills wrote: > As Gil pointed out, the ONLY new exposure is for authorized programs. > Formerly, an authorized program could be confident that it's caller was > either JCL or another trusted (authorized) program. It would thus be a > reasonably val

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
All of our Cobol programs using the PARM will fail if the parm length exceed 32767 Linkage section. 01 OsParms. 05 OsParms-Length pic s9(4) comp. 05 OsParms-Data.

Re: 80 byte jcl record limit

2005-05-13 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
Please don't even think of it!!! It drives me really crazy to edit some members with lrec longer then my emulator settings. Try to insert some data e.g. a longer path name into etc/profile using ISPF edit. Sample EDIT /etc/profileColumns 1 00072

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Charles Mills
> they relied on well-documented limitations which have been around for decades. Not so. The restriction is in JCL, not in the program entry linkage. It has always been possible to call any program - including any program normally executed as a jobstep program (PGM=) - and pass any length of param

Re: 80 byte jcl record limit

2005-05-13 Thread Volker Bandke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Low, David said the following on 05/13/2005 08:27 >It would be great if JCL records could extend to 32K and handle both fixed and variable length records. No more line continuation ever! I just don't know if such an enhancement is feasible. Hmm... I

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Arthur T.
On 13 May 2005 11:21:51 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) wrote: In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 05/12/2005 at 10:19 PM, "Arthur T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: At first, I agreed with this, for two reasons (details be

Fw: COBOL II and COMPS

2005-05-13 Thread Bill Klein
All of this is "fixed" in the 2002 COBOL Standard where *NEW* binary data-types are introduces (with NO picture clause - just something indicating "size" and whether or not they are signed). An existing SHARE requirement exists for IBM to implement these. (It even includes a one-byte binary field

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Eric Chevalier
On 13 May 2005 09:53:23 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chase, John) wrote: >Seems to me that allowing instream data within a PROC would add little value >unless it was accompanied by allowing variable substitution to occur within >the instream data. Without substitution, any change desired in the inst

Re: Corrupted SMF record

2005-05-13 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laine, Rogers > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 1:35 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Corrupted SMF record > > > Hello, > > I have a SMF dataset that was MOD'ed to a existing dataset

Re: Corrupted SMF record

2005-05-13 Thread Ed Gould
on 5/13/05 1:35 PM, Laine, Rogers at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello, > > I have a SMF dataset that was MOD'ed to a existing dataset that is now > corrupted using the program SMFDUMP. > I was able to use the program IFASMFDP to create a new output dataset up > to the corrupted record. > My quest

Re: Corrupted SMF record

2005-05-13 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Laine, Rogers > > Hello, > > I have a SMF dataset that was MOD'ed to a existing dataset > that is now corrupted using the program SMFDUMP. > I was able to use the program IFASMFDP to create a new output > dataset u

Re: COBOL II and COMPS

2005-05-13 Thread john gilmore
Bill Klein writes: On the other hand, the only time that a COMP-5 data item works differently from a BINARY or COMP (or COMP-4) item (on the mainframe) is *IF* you try and use values greater than the PICTURE clause allows. This is an "ugly" thing to do and is NEVER recommended. My response is that

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Bob Rutledge
Peter, I vote for extending the current JCL processing. A quick perusal of [a lot of] our current source tells me that a) the original parm string isn't moved to an internal program area and b) the length is checked before the parm data is parsed. Now if the length ever gets to be bigger than 3

Corrupted SMF record

2005-05-13 Thread Laine, Rogers
Hello, I have a SMF dataset that was MOD'ed to a existing dataset that is now corrupted using the program SMFDUMP. I was able to use the program IFASMFDP to create a new output dataset up to the corrupted record. My question is how can I recover the records that are pass the bad one? I recall see

Re: FTPing a ADRDSSU file

2005-05-13 Thread Ed Gould
on 5/13/05 10:49 AM, Gabe Torres at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ed, > There was no blksize info supplied in the DCB, so it must be > defaulting to whatever ADRDSSU likes. > gabe > > Gabe, IIRC the blksize ends up being greater than 32K (with DFDSS) and FTP drops anything after 32K. The "trick"

Re: 80 byte jcl record limit

2005-05-13 Thread Low, David
> | So if your parm syntax doesn't include a handy comma > somewhere, it can't > | exceed one line. > > > Wrong. Check JCL reference manual :) > > Hint: Continued line must begin exactly in col 16. Arcane rules for line continuation like this, I can live without. Is this also true for cont

Fw: Parms, symbols, environments, shells

2005-05-13 Thread Bill Klein
We in the SHARE LNGC project are ALWAYS willing to accept new requirements for LE callable service. If you are a SHARE member, please feel free to submit such a requirement (for accessing JCL symbolics - and/or other JCL-known "values"). "Larry Bertolini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 05/12/2005 at 10:19 PM, "Arthur T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > At first, I agreed with this, for two reasons >(details below): >1. It obviates the buffer overflow problem. How? If the data from the DD are moved into the first parameter with a halfword length

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 05/13/2005 at 01:08 AM, Leonard Woren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I think you had the right idea and then missed: I propose that the >solution should be // PARM and make it mutually exclusive with the >PARM= keyword on EXEC. Why complicate things? That question appl

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 05/13/2005 at 09:57 AM, David Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Please also remember the START command processor: convince it to pass >parameters bigger than... what, 61 bytes? (Whatever fits on a single >generated "// PARM='...'" card image.) S MYSTC,A=long,B=long

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 05/13/2005 at 09:06 AM, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Otherwise, I wonder how the PARM is represented while a job is in the >input queue? Does it reside in a control block? Is the structure of >that block documented as a programming interface? Is there a

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 05/12/2005 at 04:09 PM, Raymond Noal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Instead of messing around with the PARM= field, how about adding a >new one like zPARM= (since these are the days of z/OS, z/VM, z/Linux >and (soon to be) z/TPF on our new z/Series processors). Have zPARM

Looking for Bank of Switzerland contact

2005-05-13 Thread Steve Comstock
If anyone on this list works for Bank of Switzerland, I would be interested in off-list discussions of a project I heard about where one or more applications were moved off of UNIX servers onto a mainframe. If anyone else has done this kind of conversion, I would also be interested in hearing from

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Chase, John said: > Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:53:10 -0500 > > Seems to me that allowing instream data within a PROC would add little value > unless it was accompanied by allowing variable substitution to occur within > I agree that variable substitution in instream data

Re: New Xbox from Microsoft

2005-05-13 Thread Michael S Hines
No - it has to do with full surround sound - 360 degrees. Three on-board processors. Wonder how many MIPS that is? :) M. --- Michael S Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

Re: 80 byte jcl record limit

2005-05-13 Thread Ray Mullins
There's a neat idea. The JES spool can handle longer than 80 characters for data sets. I haven't tried it, but can one use the VSAM interface to the INTRDR and put in records > 80 characters? Variable-length characters? Later, Ray -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion Lis

Re: 80 byte jcl record limit

2005-05-13 Thread Volker Bandke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 | | This list's contributors had to enlighten me, once. They fixed that a | while back: They fixed it? Wasn't it this way since the dawn of time? - -- ~ With kind Regards|\ _,,,---,,_ ~ZZZzz /,`.-'`'

Re: 80 byte jcl record limit

2005-05-13 Thread Volker Bandke
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 | | So if your parm syntax doesn't include a handy comma somewhere, it can't | exceed one line. Wrong. Check JCL reference manual :) Hint: Continued line must begin exactly in col 16. - -- ~ With kind Regards|\ _,,,---,,_ ~

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Kenneth . W . Leidner
I like most have had to deal with the strange limit of 100 characters on the PARM statement. I would support raising the limit in any way that would not break the old programs still running. That is the passing of the PARM value should be done in the same way as today. This way, current programs

Fw: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Bill Klein
Whatever is done, please remember CEE3PRM (and existing SHARE requirement SSLNGC0313586) - and of course the fact that LE "claims" that this works the same under z/OS and VM. (VSE already addressed this via the new CEE5PRML callable service. See: http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmg

Fw: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Bill Klein
256 seems WAY to small to me - for such things as the LE ENVAR run-time option. (In fact, just trying to pass all the LE run-time options that one MIGHT want to override - without a CEEUOPT makes me question 4096) "Ed Gould" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > on 5/

Re: OS/VS Cobol Conversion

2005-05-13 Thread Gilbert Saint-Flour
Miller, Pat wrote: > Is there a utility that examines OS/VS COBOL source files and provides > a summary of just how much code needs to be altered for Enterprise > COBOL? Something a little more concise and less cumbersome than > output from the new compiler, I mean. http://gsf-soft.com/Products/C

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Taddei, Cathy > > Thank you, Eric, that is indeed what I meant -- you cannot > place DD * before the PEND statement, or anywhere in a > proclib member. And it is still a restriction in z/OS 1.4, > producing error m

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Taddei, Cathy
Thank you, Eric, that is indeed what I meant -- you cannot place DD * before the PEND statement, or anywhere in a proclib member. And it is still a restriction in z/OS 1.4, producing error message: IEFC601I INVALID JCL STATEMENT if you put DD * in a proc. And I agree with everyone that said the

New Xbox from Microsoft

2005-05-13 Thread Eric Chevalier
The Wall Street Journal (and other news media) reported today on Microsoft's new game system: the "Xbox 360". http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB111592630884332003,00.html?mod=home_whats_news_us When I first saw the WSJ article, I couldn't help wondering if the "360" part of the name is pure coi

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Joe Zitzelberger
On May 13, 2005, at 11:29 AM, Eric Chevalier wrote: On 13 May 2005 06:06:09 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chase, John) wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Taddei, Cathy I agree with Gil and Charles. IMO, a DD statement would be pointless. If a programmer

Re: FTPing a ADRDSSU file

2005-05-13 Thread Perryman, Brian
ADRDSSU should have created a RECFM=U LRECL=0 dataset if it defaulted. If so, transmit it to the mainframe as FB,80 then browse it in hex. Column 30 should have a halfword with the original blocksize. Then send it again with that BLKSIZE and RECFM=U LRECL=0 - This e-mail message is for the so

Re: 80 byte jcl record limit

2005-05-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Bruce Black said: > Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:48:02 -0400 > > There is one limitation with coding a PARM on multiple lines (to get to > the 100 char limit): You must use a comma to cause continuatoin, and > the comma is passed as part of the parm. > This list's contri

Re: FTPing a ADRDSSU file

2005-05-13 Thread Gabe Torres
Thomas, Have you tried this with a ADRDSSU physical dump, or a logical dump,...or does it matter.?? Thanks, gabe -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Conley Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sub

Re: FTPing a ADRDSSU file

2005-05-13 Thread Gabe Torres
Ed, There was no blksize info supplied in the DCB, so it must be defaulting to whatever ADRDSSU likes. gabe -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re:

Re: 80 byte jcl record limit

2005-05-13 Thread Bruce Black
There is one limitation with coding a PARM on multiple lines (to get to the 100 char limit): You must use a comma to cause continuatoin, and the comma is passed as part of the parm. For example, //PARM=('ASDFQWER34234', // 'XCVSDF') will be passed as ASDFQWER34234,XCVSDF So if your

Re: 80 byte jcl record limit

2005-05-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, [log in to unmask] said: > Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:21:41 -0400 > > The biggest problem I see is that interactive device one uses to view / edit > that JCL. While a mod-5 terminal exist (to display 133 characters) the > standard 27 lines or is it 24 lines is very limit

Re: 80 byte jcl record limit

2005-05-13 Thread Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 05/13/2005 at 09:57 AM, "Low, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Is there, or has there been any requirement of increasing the 80 byte >record limit of jcl? Reading the "PARM=" thread with interest, I can >imagine having much longer jcl records would be a great thing

Re: 80 byte jcl record limit

2005-05-13 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:22 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: 80 byte jcl record limit > > > While the 80 character limit has a long history, I have

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Eric Chevalier
On 13 May 2005 06:06:09 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chase, John) wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Taddei, Cathy >> >> I agree with Gil and Charles. IMO, a DD statement would be pointless. >> If a programmer wanted to receive a parm via DD, th

Re: 80 byte jcl record limit

2005-05-13 Thread Kenneth . W . Leidner
While the 80 character limit has a long history, I have problems with the idea to change the length of a JCL card for what might be a benefit. Not having to learn how to code parameters that span more than one "card image". The biggest problem I see is that interactive device one uses to view /

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, R.S. said: > Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:49:53 +0200 > > 256 bytes ? > IMHO it is not worth to change from 100 to 256. Many "should be enough" > limits occured much too short. > BTW: I know *existing* OS/390 application using more than 256 bytes in > PARM. It is c89 compil

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, EA MacNEIL said: > > Revolutionary changes in an evolutionary manner. > > Let's stretch PARMS and JCL Card Images, but not in such a way that we break > some > thing. > > I believe that a new zPARM is the better approach. > What would permitting longer PARM strings break? Ex

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread EA MacNEIL
>>If that were true, none of my compile procs would >>work (they all work just >>fine, structured exactly as your example). Just because we can do something, doesn't mean we should. Why do we have to perform all of these unnatural acts, just because we are using archaic constructs?

Re: RECFM=V/VB on SYSOUT: honored by JES?

2005-05-13 Thread john gilmore
Peter Hunkeler wrote: You won't see trailing blanks on the spool unless you have BLNKTRNC=YES on the OUTCLASS(x) definition. JES2 truncates trailing blanks by default (for line mode data). and he of course meant to write . . . unless you have BLNKTRNC=NO . . . John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721 U.S.A.

Re: 80 byte jcl record limit

2005-05-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Low, David said: > Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:57:35 -0400 > > Sorry if this is a stupid question... > Not at all. > Is there, or has there been any requirement of increasing the 80 byte > record limit of jcl? Reading the "PARM=" thread with interest, I can > Apparentl

Re: 80 byte jcl record limit

2005-05-13 Thread EA MacNEIL
>> In fact, PARM= is limited to 100 bytes. It can take more than 1 line of >> JCL. So 80-byte limit for jobcards is not an issue in this context. . I totally disagree. Longer JCL cards would solve a lot of problems in specifying PARMS that span records. I have always hated the 80-byte car

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin > > In a recent note, Chase, John said: > > > Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:05:55 -0500 > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Taddei, Cathy > >

Re: 80 byte jcl record limit

2005-05-13 Thread R.S.
Low, David wrote: Sorry if this is a stupid question... Is there, or has there been any requirement of increasing the 80 byte record limit of jcl? Reading the "PARM=" thread with interest, I can imagine having much longer jcl records would be a great thing if we suddenly have up to 65K of parm dat

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Chase, John said: > Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:05:55 -0500 > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Taddei, Cathy > > > > I agree with Gil and Charles. IMO, a DD statement would be pointless. > Thanks for all the fish (but, n

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Raymond, That was my thought as well. It will not have a negative impact on older programs, and will clearly require a change to both the called program, and the caller. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer Western Metal Supply NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- F

80 byte jcl record limit

2005-05-13 Thread Low, David
Sorry if this is a stupid question... Is there, or has there been any requirement of increasing the 80 byte record limit of jcl? Reading the "PARM=" thread with interest, I can imagine having much longer jcl records would be a great thing if we suddenly have up to 65K of parm data available.

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread David Andrews
On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 17:36 -0400, Peter Relson wrote: > We all know and love (well, at least know) that the limitation > in JCL for PARM= is 100 total characters. We are thinking (again) > about expanding this, and would like to hear your thoughts. Please also remember the START command processor

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Gary Green
Well, without giving it much thought, would placing an unprintable character, say high or low values, in the first byte of the PARM value to indicate that the PARM was an XPARM, or PARMX, value work? Change the CI to support it and only programs that know how to handle the extended PARM would unde

Re: OS/VS Cobol Conversion

2005-05-13 Thread Howard Brazee
On 12-May-2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (McKown, John) wrote: > From what viewpoint? Remember that time is NOT universal according to > Einstein and this has been validated by experiment. Therefore, to some > observer, it is entirely possible that the Universe is only 6,000 years > old. Say, somebody at

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread David Andrews
On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 20:44 -0700, Skip Robinson wrote: > Let's just KISS: increase the allowable string length to 256. That should > be plenty for any well-designed application. "640K should be enough for anybody" Seriously, we busted the 100 byte limitation a long time ago and had to invent a h

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Bruce Black
Some of the potential problems an existing target routine might have with an extended length parameter are - It provided an area via DS of 100 characters, "knowing" that the limit was 100, and then did an EX (execute) of an MVC to move the parameter string, using the length in the halfword. Unfort

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Hi, Does any know if IBM sells hardware that you can use at the tape drive for compression/encryption ? I found a few vendors that make such equipment but they don't support Escon. TIA Dean Dean Montevago Sr. Systems Specialist Visiting Nurse Service of New York phone: (212) 609 - 5596 email:

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Taddei, Cathy > > I agree with Gil and Charles. IMO, a DD statement would be pointless. > If a programmer wanted to receive a parm via DD, they could have done > it already. One of the advantages of PARM= is that yo

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread R.S.
Jay Maynard wrote: On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 08:13:39AM -0400, Bob Shannon wrote: Seriously, we're talking about a parameter. I agree that 256 bytes ought to be sufficient. Indeed. I can't recall where I read it, but someone suggested that program designers avoid constraints that are powers of ten

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Ed Gould
on 5/13/05 7:13 AM, Bob Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---SNIP > Seriously, we're talking about a parameter. I agree that 256 bytes ought > to be sufficient. > Bob, I sort of agree with you BUT... I have gotten more JCL errors than at any time w

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Miklos Szigetvari > > Hi > > I would vote for the DD solution. > A reserved (maybe changeable) DD name for the long PARM's That is already available. See, e.g., CICS: //STEPNAME EXEC PGM=DFHSIP,PARM=(START=INITIAL

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Jay Maynard
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 08:13:39AM -0400, Bob Shannon wrote: > Seriously, we're talking about a parameter. I agree that 256 bytes ought > to be sufficient. Indeed. I can't recall where I read it, but someone suggested that program designers avoid constraints that are powers of ten, for they are

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Bob Shannon
>Let's just KISS: increase the allowable string length to 256. Sorry Skip, but it's too short. I want 16 exabytes. Pass all of the data needed for the job via PARM=. This facility should fully support zArchitecture. With outsourced labor on should be able to key in the data cost effectively. I als

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Robin Murray
Skip Robinson wrote: [snip] Let's just KISS: increase the allowable string length to 256. That should be plenty for any well-designed application. [snip] I would say 4K would be a better number. If you wanted to pass two path names, an input and an output for instance, that would easily use up y

Re: allocation processes

2005-05-13 Thread Bob Shannon
>> I seem to recall reading a document on a proposed re-write of device >> allocation processing that would remove the serialization that makes the >> IEF238D message so damaging. > This is being delivered in z/OS 1.7. I'm pretty sure it was discussed at > SHARE, but I don't remember attending suc

Re: RECFM=V/VB on SYSOUT: honored by JES?

2005-05-13 Thread Peter Hunkeler
>As for blanks beyond that end of data, that could be >legitimate if it isn't an artifact of SDSF; you'd need to see what the >actual data on SPOOL are, which SDSF won't tell you. You won't see trailing blanks on the spool unless you have BLNKTRNC=YES on the OUTCLASS(x) definition. JES2 truncates

Re: Problem with tcpip escon mpc connection to a windows server

2005-05-13 Thread Pohlen Mailinglist
Hello Bruce, the CHPID is dedicated to one lpar, so that the lpar number on windows is 0. I have stopped the old os390 and then started zos with the same mpc and ip-device configuration as os390 in the same lpar. The windows side is completely unchanged. In our try-and-error-procedure have also s

Re: Create a new user System Command

2005-05-13 Thread Peter Hunkeler
>You can do it with an exit specified in MPFLSTxx member. Forgot about this, indeed. Too long since I last worked on this question, it seems. Peter Hunkeler Senior IT Specialist, IBM zSeries Technical Sales Support, Switzerland ---

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Leonard Woren
On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 10:19:37PM -0400, Arthur T. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [snip] > OTOH, almost anything you do within JCL hits the > problem of continuing the command across several card > images. Perhaps if the XPARM pointed to a // PARM > statement (like the // OUTPUT statement),

Radio Interview

2005-05-13 Thread Phil Payne
The BBC tell me they used it - or extracts of it - seven times. It certainly went out on BBC Radio Five Live at 16:09 on 5 May 2005, on Radio 2 at 18:00 and Radio 4 at 21:00 - they also used it on two satellite channels and I've had two emails from people in the USA who picked it up from the BB

Re: allocation processes

2005-05-13 Thread Skip Robinson
This is being delivered in z/OS 1.7. I'm pretty sure it was discussed at SHARE, but I don't remember attending such a session. . . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: PARM=

2005-05-13 Thread Jan MOEYERSONS
On Thu, 12 May 2005 18:18:30 -0700, Charles Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I am 100% with Gil on this. > Me too! Clearly, Gil has given the matter already quite some thougth. His arguments look very valid to me. Cheers, Jantje. ---

allocation processes

2005-05-13 Thread Bruce Hewson
I seem to recall reading a document on a proposed re-write of device allocation processing that would remove the serialization that makes the IEF238D message so damaging. If anyone can help find it for me I would much appreciate it. Thanks in advance Bruce Hewson ---

Re: Create a new user System Command

2005-05-13 Thread Beesley, Paul
You can do it with an exit specified in MPFLSTxx member. For example I have an exit (DCSAEXIT) which displays CSA usage if you enter the command D CSA The entry in MPFLST00 looks like this : .CMD USEREXIT(DCSAEXIT) Paul Beesley UKOSG, EDS, Bournemouth * 01202 502334 * 07790 495140 * [E