Oh, I might mention that you can create a ZIP with multiple members
simply by having multiple fromdsn commands before the jar command and
then listing them on the jar command line.
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Administrative
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:44:37 -0600, McKown, John
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...
JES2 NJE over IP is *much* simpler to maintain (once set up).
...
IMO, setting up the TCPIP parms is easier than setting up a VTAM
cross
domain. Also, in my case, getting the CTCs cross connected
between the
LPARs
Hi,
Forgot to mention if you are in the Military, you can do the same work with
half the people you need in the private sector.
That is what we had to in the South African Military with half the equipment
that Carter decided to NOT give us..
Remember, Jimmy the peanut farmer and interest
One other factor to consider is the level of expertise that your DBA and
Developer community are. It depends on what role your systems programming
staff plays in supporting the general IT community at the company. I know
of places where two to many sysprogs are fully employed just in supporting
We have a shop about your size it sounds like. We do it with 2.5. Combined
experience 70 + years. We also do not have Oracle, rather DB2, and no
zLinux. It is not enough to stay current with releases.
Thanks, Dave Hanson
464-8889
Thanks everyone for your answers. This tells me we definitely should have
more than 2 with a combined sysprog experience level of about 10 years. :-)
(I knew this already, but am trying to justify more)
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02/07/2008
at 05:50 PM, Knutson, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Bottom line AOS works and is even better than RSVF since we can share out
access to all our tools including those that don't have a 3270
interface.
Your security folks might not see it that way. They might
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John,
Isn't this similar or the same as BPXWDYNcall to USS...
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[snip]
2. Using a call to ceeenv:
select persnnl assign to people.
Mainframe:
PKZIP for MVS
PKZIP for Z/OS
ZIP/390 from Data21
INFO-ZIP
A few freewares.
A couple of years ago, I ran a project to replace PKZIP with ZIP/390.
There are many products out there, ZIP/390 was the only 'work-alike'.
Out of 9,000 ZIP jobs we only had to change 5 that were using more
* If your shop support some clients (outsourcing)
I have some major issues with outsourcing:
1. You lose control of upgrades an tech currency.
2. The service provider keeps you at the absolute minimum level of hardware
software.
3. They downgrade the staff skill set, experience, salary.
4.
Current administration is again considering outsourcing
Many companies fall in the trap, after a 'successful' out-sourcing excercise,
of asking the wrong question:
What else can we out-source?
The correct question is:
What is the best mix of in-sourced out-sourced functions that best meet
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John,
I know several shops who outsourced and a few years
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* If your shop support some clients (outsourcing)
I have
I am fixing one point
* Some shops try to have one *team* for z/OS, IBM and ISV software
cloning for new realeses while having other *team* in a daily basis
operations support.
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Another concerns to mention:
* If your shop support some clients (outsourcing)
* Several IBM operating systems on the boxes: zVM, zVSE, zLinux, zOS.
* A lot of virtual machines.
* Some shops try to have one equipment for z/OS, IBM and ISV software
cloning for new realeses while having other
On Feb 11, 2008, at 11:25 AM, Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM wrote:
Can anyone point me in the direction of where to find a good (but
minimum)
estimate for staffing systems programmers (with various experience
levels)
to perform all functions of a systems programmer, including
installations of
Back at the Seattle SHARE (MAR 2006),
Kathy Walsh's WSC Hot Topics session
http://shareew.prod.web.sba.com/proceedingmod/abstract.cfm?abstract_id=13912
had a foil titled JES2 NJE Support for TCP/IP Performance Info
where she said that:
- Overall system CPU utilization reduced by about 15%
- ETR
Mainframe:
PKZIP for MVS
PKZIP for Z/OS
USS or Linux:
1.- OPUT, OGET, OCOPY or ISHELL to copying your DSN file to USS/Linux
2.- tar, pax, cpio ... your DSN file
3.- OPUT, OGET, OCOPY or ISHELL to MVS or FTP
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I have worked in a couple locations that are smaller than you mentioned.
3 LPARS, 10-12 CICS images, DB2. We had 4 in both locations. Following
is the general breakdown of tasks. Fortunately there was very little
turnover.
Jim
Lead Systems Programmer
Primary responsibilities
Although the relationship is not linear, there is also the issue of
complexity to be dealt with.
At one shop I worked, (10 sysplexs, 44 LPARs, 20+ CECs), the CICS person
was
Actually 5 people). The z/OS sysprog was 8 and the Oracle(DB2/IMS)
person was 6.
In my current environment, all of the
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 02/07/2008
at 10:55 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
They appear in JESMSGLG, therefore they are JES reported.
So by you anything that appears in a SYSOUT data set is JES reported?
Picking a nit like this one is neither helpful nor germane to the
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 02/08/2008
at 04:25 PM, Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
ATTN performs an interrupt to a half-duplex SNA data flow. It sends a
SIGNAL RU back to the application event though the application is
sending. This is (if not always) interpretted by TSO as a PA1.
Mary,
CICS is generally one person.
Oracle is generally one person as well.
z/VM and Linux - one or two primary people, depending on the number of
VMs and Linux instances. The z/OS sysprogs are capable of pulling double
duty here, but that may be cutting it to close.
You do not mention
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-snip-
What I really want to do, is to, once any one of the child tasks
finishes, to fire up a new task immediately.
-end snip-
Have a look at the ETXR parameter on the ATTACH(X) macro.
Scott Fagen
Enterprise Systems Management
On Feb 11, 2008, at 7:06 AM, Knutson, Sam wrote:
Hi,
If you are at SHARE in Orlando you might drop in on the Paddle Project
Birthday Party. There should be some copies of this for anyone who
wants to pick one up.
2899
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I have this LPAR that has 3 CPUs on it. I also have a program that
wants
to fire off, say 8 tasks. I fire off the first 3 with an ATTACH. I
can wait on
them with a WAIT 3,ECBLIST=etc
However, that construct will put my main
If you have a IMSDALIB DD statement in your JCL, you are using dynamic
allocation for the databases.
Daniel Allen | Senior Systems Programmer | 1-800-457-3736x11241
Serena Software - The Mashups Are Coming
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Either, you use IMS dynamic allocation, or you do not read the database.
Hi;
Am using IMS(V9) and am a little confused. From what I
read in the manual when using th DLI option you have
to specify include DD statements for the Databases in
th JCL stream. We use the DLI option and do NOT
include
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:35 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: JES2 NJE question: SNA(CTC) vs. TCPIP
Staller, Allan wrote:
JES2 NJE over IP is *much*
1) Change Line Defintions from UNIT=SNA to UNIT=TCP
2) Add NETSRV and SOCKET statements
You're done.
This if course, presumes that Hipersockets are already set up.
snip JES2 NJE over IP is *much* simpler to maintain (once set up).
Why do you say this? Be specific, please.
/snip
You might try routing ISPLOG to SYSOUT instead of DUMMY in case there
are any messages routed there.
Bill
On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 15:30:56 -0600, Joel C. Ewing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is because you are executing the CLIST under batch ISPF (ISPSTART),
not just under batch TSO. It is not the
Kees,
The potential to read overwritten data comes from the fact that the heads
never perfectly line up in the same place twice. A write may write over
95% of the bits in a given track leaving a shadow of old data that can be
read - with great difficulty and very slowly, but it can be read.
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In a message dated 2/11/2008 3:00:22 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Unless I missed a part of the discussion, all statements that
overwriting once is not good enough,
In a message dated 2/11/2008 3:00:22 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Unless I missed a part of the discussion, all statements that
overwriting once is not good enough, were based on rumours, assumptions,
theoretical possibilities and negative evidence (data is
No argument from me, but when the compression revealed so much unused, I
was focusing on the extent issue.
Bob
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John,
At 16 extents, I would suggest that you reallocate the PDS using
something like SPACE=(CYL,(300,100,90).
The secondary space depends on the amount of space John wants to add.
4000 tracks was not enough,
snip
I am just now looking at this. I have a Escon CTC between my two z/OS
1.8 images. It is currently used for VTAM cross domain. I funnel my NJE
traffic between the two images on this. Oh, these two images are on the
same physical box. I also have IP connectivity between them via OSAs. I
am
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:11:41 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:20:06 +, Ted MacNEIL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If the installation has a fair amount of mods to the OS then increase
the number of sysprogs. How many well it depends on the complexity
of the mods and other things.
I hope you mean exits!
...
Unfortuantely, mods are
On Feb 11, 2008, at 3:34 PM, Luis M Martinez wrote:
Another concerns to mention:
* If your shop support some clients (outsourcing)
* Several IBM operating systems on the boxes: zVM, zVSE, zLinux, zOS.
* A lot of virtual machines.
* Some shops try to have one equipment for z/OS, IBM and ISV
Hi,
Don't worry John..the White House tried to slip a few Billion into the Budget
last week , to save Health/IBM/IT sector..
It's ONLINE now and everybody can go and read it
Only problem, they have to approve it and what I saw on C-SPAN, it was
renamed as Dead on Departure...
Never heard
I know several shops who outsourced and a few years later took their
environment back because of poor service levels..Too many only see the
bottom line...
But, poor service levels impact the bottom line.
Most out-sourcing arrangements don't see that until after the dirty deed is
done.
-
John,
I know several shops who outsourced and a few years later took their
environment back because of poor service levels..Too many only see the
bottom line...
Regards,
Scott
IDF
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Of McKown,
If the installation has a fair amount of mods to the OS then increase the
number of sysprogs. How many well it depends on the complexity of the mods and
other things.
I hope you mean exits!
I haven't seen a shop with mods in a long time.
I worked with an Operations manager (just before XA), who
On Feb 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
If the installation has a fair amount of mods to the OS then
increase the number of sysprogs. How many well it depends on the
complexity of the mods and other things.
I hope you mean exits!
I haven't seen a shop with mods in a long time.
I
John, when you zip a file using the jar command, do you see any zAAP
eligible workload? Just curious. Although the jar command is part of the
Java runtime, I'm not sure whether jar sends anything to the zAAP.
- - - - -
Timothy Sipples
IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect
Specializing in
John,
Isn't this similar or the same as BPXWDYNcall to USS...
Regards,
Scott
IDF
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:20 PM
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Subject: Re: Two COBOL
On Feb 11, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Ed Finnell wrote:
In a message dated 2/11/2008 7:06:57 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you are at SHARE in Orlando you might drop in on the Paddle
Project
Birthday Party. There should be some copies of this for anyone who
wants to
SYSDSN is Allocation, not ISPF.
Correct. I meant SYSDSN ENQ behavior done by allocation on behalf of ISPF
edit.
I believe that what you are seeing is that
for sequential data sets ISPF allocation with disposition OLD but for PDS
it allocates with SHR. ISPF does it's own ENQ's to
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
02/07/2008
at 08:25 AM, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
You keep using the characters dns. Are you actually using dns? It
should be dsn. Please be sure you are not making a typing error.
Unless he's in a real BIND ;-)
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Ideal:
ZOS small shops.
Few and small local/distributed applications, few LPARS, few ISV products, No
Datasharing, One Sysplex, few CICS and DB2 regions/subsystems: 5 up to 10
sysprogs.
ZOS medium shops.
Local, distributed and Web applications, 10-20 LPARS, less than 10 ISV
products,
---snip---
IMO, setting up the TCPIP parms is easier than setting up a VTAM cross
domain. Also, in my case, getting the CTCs cross connected between
the LPARs in the HCD is a bit mind numbing. However, I still need the
cross domain for TSO traffic.
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]@sbcglobal.net, on
02/08/2008
at 01:36 PM, Ron Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I don't recall the differences, but as long as I can remember the way to
cancel most things in TSO was to reset then PA1 or Reset then ATTN
This was on real CRT and emulators.
In SNA an AID is
Can anyone point me in the direction of where to find a good (but minimum)
estimate for staffing systems programmers (with various experience levels)
to perform all functions of a systems programmer, including installations of
OS and vendor software, applying maintenance, troubleshooting errors,
McKown, John wrote:
I don't think that CEEENV uses UNIX system services. But, then, I don't
think that BPXWDYN calls UNIX functions either. I think it is prefixed
with BPX... simply so that people feel comfortable using it in a UNIX
shell script or program.
In either case, eventually they end up
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In a message dated 2/11/2008 7:06:57 A.M. Central
-snip---
Hallo To all
A batch job abended on a IEC032I E37-04. The job was trying to write out to a
member in a PDS library. I checked the status of the library and it showed
that it had the following allocation:
Current Allocation
Allocated tracks .
In a message dated 2/11/2008 7:06:57 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you are at SHARE in Orlando you might drop in on the Paddle Project
Birthday Party. There should be some copies of this for anyone who
wants to pick one up.
Many moons ago I ordered the OS/360
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:48:59 +0100 Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
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: I have this LPAR that has 3 CPUs on it. I also have a program that
: wants
: to fire off, say 8 tasks. I fire off the first 3 with an ATTACH. I
On Feb 11, 2008, at 9:44 AM, McKown, John wrote:
SNIP--
Why do you say this? Be specific, please.
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IMO, setting up the TCPIP parms is easier than setting up a VTAM cross
domain. Also, in my case, getting the CTCs cross
Staller, Allan wrote:
JES2 NJE over IP is *much* simpler to maintain (once set up).
Why do you say this? Be specific, please.
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Phoenix Software International, Inc
5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800
Los Angeles, CA 90045
310-338-0400 x318
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi;
Am using IMS(V9) and am a little confused. From what I
read in the manual when using th DLI option you have
to specify include DD statements for the Databases in
th JCL stream. We use the DLI option and do NOT
include the DD statements, yet we appear to be working
ok.
//STEP0060 EXEC
On Feb 11, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Patrick O'Keefe wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:20:06 +, Ted MacNEIL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If the installation has a fair amount of mods to the OS then
increase
the number of sysprogs. How many well it depends on the complexity
of the mods and other things.
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:27:53 -0800, Edward Jaffe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
... We have libraries concatenated in front of
SYS1.LINKLIST and ...
I don't have that library on any of my systems.
...
I, of course, meant SYS1.LINKLIB in the linklist concatenation.
And the problem I refered to
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:26:29 -0600, Mark Zelden wrote:
I never saw if you responded to this append. Did you try this and did
it do what you wanted?
Well, we have a generic automount entry which has almost worked
intermittently in the past. But today it fails with:
BPXF903I THE ATTRIBUTE
Eric,
Sorry I don't realy check this site often and I thought I replied to this
already
I guess not.
http://cbttape.org/ftp/updates/CBT708.zip
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Kees,
I think that you are right. Problem is how do I fix it? Should I just
allocate a larger pds or is something else I should do?
Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John Dawes wrote in message
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Hallo To all
A batch job abended on a IEC032I
John Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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Hallo To all
A batch job abended on a IEC032I E37-04. The job was trying to
write out to a member in a PDS library. I checked the status of the
library and it showed that it had the following allocation:
On Feb 11, 2008 12:22 PM, John Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hallo To all
A batch job abended on a IEC032I E37-04. The job was trying to write out
to a member in a PDS library. I checked the status of the library and it
showed that it had the following allocation:
Current
Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 02/08/2008
at 09:36 AM, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Don't you think, the magic numbers of the rewrites comes from
voodoo
(or black magic) rather than from technological
Hello,
I am new to APPN and Enterprise Extender. I am trying to set up Enterprise
Extender Between two test LPARS running on two separate Z machines. I am
running Z/OS 1.8n on both test LPARS. I have modified the VTAM PARMS and
made
changes to TCP/IP. I have also created XCA and Switch major
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 02/07/2008
at 09:29 AM, J R [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
ISTR that ISPF edit's SYSDSN ENQ behaves differently
for a sequential dataset versus a member of a PDS.
SYSDSN is Allocation, not ISPF. I believe that what you are seeing is that
for sequential data sets ISPF
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 02/08/2008
at 10:49 AM, Van Dalsen, Herbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On this note... We have about 5000 Double-(blue) and 3000 triple
density(green) Carts, due to the sensitivity of the data on them,
company policy prohibits us from transporting them to the mother ship
Actually the terminology for SPAs applies also to UDFs (user defined
functions).
The SQL DDL for a UDF includes the name of the external load module (8 char
load module) and the WLM environment which in some of the IBM example code
is something like WLMENV1.
WLM starts up an address space to
Thanks Steve for your clear explanation. I would appreciate if you
provide me the steps to progress. Thanks in advance.
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McKown, John wrote:
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Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:04 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Two COBOL questions
[snip]
call 'putenv' using by value file-ptr
Jerry,
What your customer means to say is they have a COBOL module invoked by
DB2 which runs in a WLM-managed stored procedure address space (SPAS).
There used to be a single SPAS per DB2 subsystem instance. It was the
environment in which one or more stored procedures would be queued by
DB2 as
Patrick O'Keefe wrote:
... We have libraries concatenated in front of
SYS1.LINKLIST and ...
I don't have that library on any of my systems.
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5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800
Los Angeles, CA 90045
310-338-0400 x318
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm never one to do things the easy way when I can do it the complicated
way grin. Anyway, below is a way to create a ZIP file containing a
SINGLE z/OS sequential file. It uses Dovetailed Technologies DTLSPAWN,
fromdsn, todsn, and the Java jar command. It must use a z/OS UNIX file
as intermediary
Hallo To all
A batch job abended on a IEC032I E37-04. The job was trying to write out to
a member in a PDS library. I checked the status of the library and it showed
that it had the following allocation:
Current Allocation
Allocated tracks . : 5,000
Allocated extents
Hi,
If you are at SHARE in Orlando you might drop in on the Paddle Project
Birthday Party. There should be some copies of this for anyone who
wants to pick one up.
2899
The MVT Project Celebrates its 35th Anniversary - The Paddle Project
Reminisces!
Speaker:Robert Rannie (Northern
John,
At 16 extents, I would suggest that you reallocate the PDS using
something like SPACE=(CYL,(300,100,90). You are allocating too many
directory blocks unless you plan on adding 1000 or so more members in
this PDS.
Also, if you haven't downloaded PDS 8.6 from the CBT site
(WWW.CBTTAPE.ORG),
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 02/11/2008
at 08:57 AM, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Unless I missed a part of the discussion,
You missed the discussion of head alignment.There are also commercial
firms doing data recovery.
Is there some report, investigation, official statement
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