Re: The downside

2009-07-06 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:listserv%200906261640003415.0...@bama.ua.edu... On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:20:50 -0500, Ward, Mike S wrote: Hello all, I have a question. Does anyone have a list, or white paper, or even scratch paper of what would be the downside of

Re: APPC and VTAMAPPL (was: job started with SUB=MSTR...)

2009-07-06 Thread Walt Farrell
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 09:36:30 +0800, Tommy Tsui tommyt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Walt Here is the error message, do youw know what's going on ??? D NET,APING,ID=MVSLU01 IST097I DISPLAY ACCEPTED ICH408I JOB(APPC) STEP(APPC) 619 LOGON/JOB INITIATION - NOT AUTHORIZED TO APPLICATION MVSLU01

Data class with expiration date doesn't work

2009-07-06 Thread Tommy Tsui
Hi all,, How comes I activated the data class with expiration date = 20, but the expiration date desn't work when I allocated a new dataset? The new dataset is assigned to a correct data class with expiration date = 20, but the expiration field still shows NONE??? thousand thanks

Re: APPC and VTAMAPPL (was: job started with SUB=MSTR...)

2009-07-06 Thread Tommy Tsui
yes, when I set the MVSLU01 to UACC(READ), it works ... so what can I do? If I set the MVSLU01 to UACC(READ) it's too risky for our shop On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Walt Farrellwfarr...@us.ibm.com wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 09:36:30 +0800, Tommy Tsui tommyt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Walt Here

Re: Command program from the cbt

2009-07-06 Thread Klein, Kenneth
This version must be pretty old then. I see now in the source that the idfind call is scanning the ckidlist before issuing the racroute macro. I found the ckidlist and put myself in it but I have not found the idfind code to relink the ckidlist into it. This backdoor seems like a juicy item for

Re: Data class with expiration date doesn't work

2009-07-06 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Tommy Tsui tommyt...@gmail.com wrote in message news:152969820907060343l763557e0xe4e70f9d65c38...@mail.gmail.com... Hi all,, How comes I activated the data class with expiration date = 20, but the expiration date desn't work when I allocated a new dataset? The new dataset is assigned to a

Re: APPC and VTAMAPPL (was: job started with SUB=MSTR...)

2009-07-06 Thread Walt Farrell
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:44:53 +0800, Tommy Tsui tommyt...@gmail.com wrote: yes, when I set the MVSLU01 to UACC(READ), it works ... so what can I do? If I set the MVSLU01 to UACC(READ) it's too risky for our shop Then you'll have to investigate the rest of the items I mentioned, and see if you have

IBM Presenation on IPL Process

2009-07-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
I got this off of another list. This is a nice presentation on how the IPL process works. Since we do have some new sysprogs on this list, I thought I would pass it along. Abstract: This presentation describes general processing involved initializing z/OS System from the IPL process until

Re: CP is nonrestartable

2009-07-06 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Bruce McKnight mcknight-...@excite.com wrote in message news:bde2140d-a85d-447c-9133-acc6740d1...@o7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com. .. Greetings all, Anyone have an idea of what would cause this message to show up on a z9 's HMC? Central Processor (CP) 2 is in a nonrestartable stopped state

Forced Offload of non ZIIP eligable workloads ????????

2009-07-06 Thread Clark, Kevin
FYI - We have not gone ZIIP as if yet, is this in addition to normal IBM offloaded workload ? http://www.neon.com/neon/news_063009.shtm Kevin ( intrigued ) Clark This e-mail message and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of its

Re: Data class with expiration date doesn't work

2009-07-06 Thread Tommy Tsui
so why we needs the data class for expiration date and what is it used for ? I have some confused about the data class and management class expiration date On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Vernooij, CP - SPLXMkees.vern...@klm.com wrote: Tommy Tsui tommyt...@gmail.com wrote in message

Re: Computerworld: London Stock Exchange to Abandon Windows

2009-07-06 Thread Ken Porowski
Full article http://blogs.computerworld.com/london_stock_exchange_to_abandon_failed_w indows_platform Looks like they picked Linux as the platform to go forward with. Probably not on z though. -Original Message- Timothy Sipples I saw this on Slashdot:

Re: Forced Offload of non ZIIP eligable workloads ????????

2009-07-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
If you look in the archives from last week, you will see the discussion on this topic. Look for zIIP threads. Apparently NEON Software has found a way to move more work to zXXPs than IBM may have intended. Not sure how much they maybe asking for their product. Lizette FYI - We have

Re: IBM Presenation on IPL Process

2009-07-06 Thread Ken Porowski
Looks good, shame there isn't an audio file too. Not just for newbies either. I've been around for 25 years and have never seen this type of presentation (and no local Guru to explain it in detail). Ken -Original Message- Lizette Koehler I got this off of another list. This is a

Re: Forced Offload of non ZIIP eligable workloads ????????

2009-07-06 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/6/2009 10:03:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, stars...@mindspring.com writes: Apparently NEON Software has found a way to move more work to zXXPs than IBM may have intended. Not sure how much they maybe asking for their product. Sounds like it's similar to VM under

Re: CP is nonrestartable

2009-07-06 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 07/06/2009 10:30:34 AM: Bruce McKnight mcknight-...@excite.com wrote in message news:bde2140d-a85d-447c-9133-acc6740d1...@o7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com. .. Greetings all, Anyone have an idea of what would cause this message to

Re: Forced Offload of non ZIIP eligable workloads ????????

2009-07-06 Thread Clark, Kevin
All, One of you fine member just informed me that this was discuss a week or so back. There was a lengthy discussion of this software and other things last week under a subject of Offload work to ziip. I am reviewing those comments first. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Computerworld: London Stock Exchange to Abandon Windows

2009-07-06 Thread Edward Jaffe
Ken Porowski wrote: Full article http://blogs.computerworld.com/london_stock_exchange_to_abandon_failed_w indows_platform Looks like they picked Linux as the platform to go forward with. Probably not on z though. But, Linux runs on z. Windows doesn't. It's a big step in the right

Re: Computerworld: London Stock Exchange to Abandon Windows

2009-07-06 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 11:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Computerworld: London Stock Exchange to Abandon Windows Ken Porowski wrote: Full article

Re: S222 abends and Reason Codes

2009-07-06 Thread Rick Fochtman
Chase, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John McKown On Sat, 4 Jul 2009, Ed Gould wrote: snip There is no justice in the world. Ed Agreed. In my first job, I had one programmer who got an S0C7 abend. I told him it was a data

Re: Computerworld: London Stock Exchange to Abandon Windows

2009-07-06 Thread Mikhail Ramendik
2009/7/6 McKown, John jmck...@healthmarkets.com Proportedly, Windows can run on z. z/VOS (CMS based) from Mantissa is said to allow MS Windows (unmodified) to run under z/VM. It is some sort of jit type intepreter / compiler for x86. http://www.mantissa.com/SHARE-conference I wonder how

Re: Command program from the cbt

2009-07-06 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip- This version must be pretty old then. I see now in the source that the idfind call is scanning the ckidlist before issuing the racroute macro. I found the ckidlist and put myself in it but I have not found the idfind code to

Re: Computerworld: London Stock Exchange to Abandon Windows

2009-07-06 Thread Mark Post
On 7/6/2009 at 12:36 PM, Mikhail Ramendik m...@ramendik.ru wrote: 2009/7/6 McKown, John jmck...@healthmarkets.com Proportedly, Windows can run on z. z/VOS (CMS based) from Mantissa is said to allow MS Windows (unmodified) to run under z/VM. It is some sort of jit type intepreter /

Re: Computerworld: London Stock Exchange to Abandon Windows

2009-07-06 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 11:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Computerworld: London Stock Exchange to Abandon Windows On 7/6/2009 at 12:36 PM, Mikhail

Re: Offload work to ziip

2009-07-06 Thread Bob Shannon
Some people seem to think they are going to get something for nothing. IBM provides specialty engines for limited purposes. Does anyone really believe they will purchase a specialty engine at reduced cost and then be able use it to run unlimited work? Specialty engines do not count against

Re: Offload work to ziip

2009-07-06 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Offload work to ziip Some people seem to think they are going to get something for nothing.

Re: OT completely..........

2009-07-06 Thread Steve Comstock
Rick Fochtman wrote: A great number of you kind ladies and gentlemen have shared private E-Mail addresses with me in the past. I would be highly appreciative (and VERY DISCRETE), if you could share that information again. Just drop me a line with Address as the subject line. Between a

Re: OT completely..........

2009-07-06 Thread Rick Fochtman
Steve Comstock wrote: Rick Fochtman wrote: A great number of you kind ladies and gentlemen have shared private E-Mail addresses with me in the past. I would be highly appreciative (and VERY DISCRETE), if you could share that information again. Just drop me a line with Address as the subject

Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000

2009-07-06 Thread Mark Wilson
Hi, Does anyone know how to discard a whole bunch of pinned data on a 2107? We have suffered a power failure in our office and our 2107 has some pinned data. Unfortunately, I don¹t have the box on maintenance so I cannot call IBM... This is my development/training box. Mark

Symbolic parameters inside SYSIN

2009-07-06 Thread Henrique Seganfredo
Hello, I am trying to optimize some tasks I perform with my MQ Series. My idea is to delete a bunch of MQ objects just passing am unique number reference that identifies our partners. The JCL would look like this: //DLPARTNR PROC REF=

Re: Symbolic parameters inside SYSIN

2009-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I ended up discovering that symbols parameters I submit do not replace the ones contained on SYSIN data, is this true? Yes. Is there any workaround? Write a REXX EXEC, that will take the DSN as a parm. Invoke it with Batch/TSO, to create your delete statement, eg: //TSOREXX EXEC

Re: Symbolic parameters inside SYSIN

2009-07-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
The best option is to create an ISPF Skel process or REXX or Clist to do the substitution, create the batch job and Control Cards, and then submit the job. There is nothing currently in TSO or JCL that will do the kind of process you need that I know of. Lizette Hello, I am trying to

Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000

2009-07-06 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:55:51 +0100, Mark Wilson mark.wil...@pobox.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone know how to discard a whole bunch of pinned data on a 2107? We have suffered a power failure in our office and our 2107 has some pinned data. Unfortunately, I don¹t have the box on maintenance so I

Left Right Scrolling in ISPF

2009-07-06 Thread Baraniecki, Ray
About two years ago with the help of a very smart IBMer I wrote an ISPF application that allowed for Left and Right scrolling when displaying table entries. Now I look at the Rexx code and it seems like an alien wrote this code. I cannot recall what had to be done to get horizontal scrolling to

Re: ERASEDATA - DASD disposal

2009-07-06 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/6/2009 1:50:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, barry.a.schw...@boeing.com writes: But even if the space has been allocated to a subsequent file, there is no guarantee that any data was actually written the disk. Think what I did on the ICEBERG-low these many moons was

Re: Symbolic parameters inside SYSIN

2009-07-06 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip--- Hello, I am trying to optimize some tasks I perform with my MQ Series. My idea is to delete a bunch of MQ objects just passing am unique number reference that identifies our partners. The JCL would look like this:

Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000

2009-07-06 Thread Linda Mooney
Hi Mark, Once the system(s) that the data belongs to are up, and the DASD is up, the pinned data will destage and clean up on its own.  I have se en this a number of times when we used to run on straight building power.  Linda  Mooney - Original Message - From: Mark Wilson

Re: Alert and Resolve price changes

2009-07-06 Thread Gibney, Dave
Great, presumably they are saving money by discontinuing Green Screen Ibmlink, so the price goes up. Makes perfect sense :( Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On

Re: Symbolic parameters inside SYSIN

2009-07-06 Thread Schumacher, Otto
Add the ref to the del1 and del2 member name. This would accomplish what you desire. Regards Otto Schumacher Technical Support, CICS EDS, an HP Company Ahold Account 2000 Wade Hampton Blvd. LC1-302 Greenville, South Carolina, 29615 Tel: 864 987-1417 Fax: 864 987-4500 E-mail:

Re: SMPE usermod sample

2009-07-06 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
Whenever I have to use an IBM module in a library other than where IBM put it (++SAMP is just one example), I copy it to a private TXLIB, modify it if necessary, and then create a USERMOD with both the original data element type (e.g., ++SAMP) and the desired element type (e.g., ++EXEC), both

Re: Left Right Scrolling in ISPF

2009-07-06 Thread Dave Salt
Hi Ray, Your dialog probably has it's own unique application ID; e.g. is launched something like this: SELECT CMD(MYDIALOG) NEWAPPL(RAY) Using the above example, it would have an associated command table called RAYCMDS. In that table, LEFT and RIGHT are probably defined as PASSTHRU.

Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000

2009-07-06 Thread Mark Wilson
Linda, Afraid not.The volumes are inaccessible from zOS and one of my LAPRS wont IPL as the RES vol has pinned data... Mark] On 06/07/2009 20:46, Linda Mooney linda.lst...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Mark, Once the system(s) that the data belongs to are up, and the DASD is up, the

Re: Alert and Resolve price changes

2009-07-06 Thread Richard Peurifoy
Gibney, Dave wrote: Great, presumably they are saving money by discontinuing Green Screen Ibmlink, so the price goes up. Makes perfect sense :( Actually, I have never understood this. Phone support has to cost IBM a lot, but it is free (part of the license cost), but IBMLINK where we do out

Re: Alert and Resolve price changes

2009-07-06 Thread Roach, Dennis (N-GHG)
You pay for the efficiency and convenience, not for IBM's cost of doing business. Dennis Roach GHG Corporation Lockheed Martin Mission Services Facilities Design and Operations Contract NASA/JSC Address: 2100 Space Park Drive LM-15-4BH Houston, Texas 77058 Mail: P.O. Box 58487

Re: Alert and Resolve price changes

2009-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
You pay for the efficiency and convenience, not for IBM's cost of doing business. What efficiency? What convenience? I believe we are paying for IBM' inconvenience and inefficiency! - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For

Re: Alert and Resolve price changes

2009-07-06 Thread Ken Porowski
I don't know what others on the list feel but from my perspective IBMLINK with all it's faults is still far far better than any other ISV's similar support. ASAP AST APAR descriptions that actually tell you something. Ease of research. Ease of ordering fixes Is it perfect? No Should we have to

Re: Symbolic parameters inside SYSIN

2009-07-06 Thread Donald Johnson
I have a COBOL program that I wrote some time ago that will build SYSIN cards based on PARM input, where you can have multiple variables. The program can generate multiple lines of SYSIN from a single PARM, and can adapt to Upper or Lower case changes mid-parm. Here is more about what it does

Re: The downside

2009-07-06 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 09:30:07 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: Tom Marchant wrote in message wrote: One down side is that you won't be able to run new hardware. For example, you need at least z/OS 1.10 to support Extended Address Volumes. EAV is a feature of the hardware. You will be able to

Re: Alert and Resolve price changes

2009-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I don't know what others on the list feel but from my perspective IBMLINK with all it's faults is still far far better than any other ISV's similar support. I totally disagree. While there are strong people within the organnisation, there are weaknesses. I remember going to an ISC presentation,

Re: Alert and Resolve price changes

2009-07-06 Thread Greg Shirey
Sigh, I'd love to hear all the stories about how poor IBM's support is, but could everyone hijack someone else's thread to do it? I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Co. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday,

Re: Alert and Resolve price changes

2009-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Sigh, I'd love to hear all the stories about how poor IBM's support is, but could everyone hiack someone else's thread to do it? I didn't hijack a thread! I responded to somebody else's comments! Too many people are taking too many comments too personalb - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: Alert and Resolve price changes

2009-07-06 Thread Gibney, Dave
You mean I pay for extra time, clicks and at least triple response time compared to the VM access. H*ll, since I avoided the Web interface like the plague, it took me almost 20 minutes just to find IBMlink starting from ibm.com and searching. No direct command interface, stupid mouse work to

Web Ibmlink rants Was Alert and Resolve price changes

2009-07-06 Thread Gibney, Dave
Sorry about the hijack, so here is a redirection. I've probably said my peace anyway. You can't make water (or other liquids) flow up hill. And, I probably agree that all my irritations apply to ISV web support also. But, as far as I remember, they never had a highly useful robust TN3270

Re: Alert and Resolve price changes

2009-07-06 Thread Guy Gardoit
Completely agree.No one does it better and no vendor uses the Internet for release and service delivery better than IBM - at least none that I've found in over 30 years. It's just plain foolish to think otherwise. /rant Personnaly, I'm glad the green screen IBMLINK is gone - old-fashioned

Re: Alert and Resolve price changes

2009-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Completely agree.No one does it better and no vendor uses the Internet for release and service delivery better than IBM - at least none that I've found in over 30 years. It's just plain foolish to think otherwise. You people are just too easy to please! Of course, we're talking about the

Web Ibmlink rants Was Alert and Resolve price changes

2009-07-06 Thread Gibney, Dave
Shopzseries is great (again once you find it, I gave up bookmarks on IBM sites awhile back) and so is: RECEIVE SYSMODS HOLDDATA ORDER(ORDERSERVER(ORDSRVR) CONTENT(ALL)) DELETEPKG. Of course, this is even more retrograde, I mean

Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000

2009-07-06 Thread Linda Mooney
Hi Mark, If you have no accessibility from z/OS to your DASD (even offline works if you have a system somewhere) and your res has pinned data in the controller , I hope you have a back up of your res (and essentials) that you can lay down somewhere you can get to.  If so, then to delete the

Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000

2009-07-06 Thread Skip Robinson
Before resolving to kiss your data good-bye, consider paying Time and Materials to get a pro on site. Once your data is gone, the cost to recover could be greater than biting the bullet on a service call. . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE

Messages as Programming Interfaces

2009-07-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
It is my understanding that IBM discourages the use of message texts as programming interfaces. Can anyone point me to a clear statement of this in IBM documentation? (Notwithstanding that IBM is very reluctant to change messages lest that disrupt automated operations.) Thanks, gil

Re: Computerworld: London Stock Exchange to Abandon Windows

2009-07-06 Thread Timothy Sipples
Ken Porowski writes: Looks like they picked Linux as the platform to go forward with. The Computerworld article doesn't actually say that. In terms of factual assertions the article only claims that the LSE has decided to move off Microsoft Windows. The author of the article then takes his own

Re: Messages as Programming Interfaces

2009-07-06 Thread Skip Robinson
While not a 'programming interface' as such, message text figures prominently in all automation products I know of, including IBM's. Great pains are taken to inform customers of text changes via 'AO' System Hold records. There have been many requirements over the years for IBM to provide

RACF AUDITOR authority and OMVS segment

2009-07-06 Thread Lucymarie Ruth
Hi. The z/OS V1R10.0 RACF Security Server RACF Administrator's Guide says that The user who has the AUDITOR attribute can list all of the profile information that is available to the SPECIAL user, as well as information that is available to auditors. In table 40 in the same manual, it says

Re: Left Right Scrolling in ISPF

2009-07-06 Thread Dave Roeser
Posted on behalf of one of my developers, Dave Loveluck, who does not recall his logon credentials.. *** Ray, There are several ways to do this. The first question I have is whether your ISPF application is running under its own application ID? To answer this: how was your

Re: Messages as Programming Interfaces

2009-07-06 Thread P S
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.comwrote: While not a 'programming interface' as such, message text figures prominently in all automation products I know of, including IBM's. Great pains are taken to inform customers of text changes via 'AO' System Hold

Re: Data class with expiration date doesn't work

2009-07-06 Thread Ron Hawkins
Tommy, EXPDT in the DATACLAS will still be applied to non-SMS datasets that are allocated using that DATACLAS. In SMS the MGMTCLAS provides a richer set of policies and trumps the DATACLAS. Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On

Re: Computerworld: London Stock Exchange to Abandon Windows

2009-07-06 Thread Tony Harminc
2009/7/6 Timothy Sipples e99...@jp.ibm.com: Ken Porowski writes: Looks like they picked Linux as the platform to go forward with. The Computerworld article doesn't actually say that. In terms of factual assertions the article only claims that the LSE has decided to move off Microsoft Windows.