Re: History of Hard-coded Offsets

2010-07-21 Thread David Mierowsky
I remember using hard coded offsets in the 70's because the inclusion of large macros for use of one or two fields caused longer assembly times and larger listings.. we were using card decks and hard copy output then... my assembler was self taught and I hadn't discovered PRINT NOGEN yet!

Re: Is this possible to S/A IPL from the HMC DVD?

2010-07-21 Thread Matan Cohen
Well I found this document : http://perso.wanadoo.es/rptv2005/ipl_desde_CD/en/index.html but it refer to HERCULES. But don't know the way to convert those actions so they will match zOS , and how to create the .img files of the memorey images any help by others? On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:01 PM, It

Re: Dumb question on DEFINE ALIAS

2010-07-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <02e201cb1f9c$caadad10$600907...@org>, on 07/09/2010 at 12:27 PM, Charles Mills said: >Would people agree with the following? Partially. >If a vendor were shipping a product that resided in two datasets, >FOO.THIS and FOO.THAT, best practice would be to recommend that the >installer eithe

Old announcement letters

2010-07-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
I'd like to put together timelines[1] for DOS/360 through z/VSE, OS/360[2] through z/OS and CP-67 through z/VM. Is there a repository of old announcement letters? [1] Including dates for announcement, availability, end of support and withdrawal. [2] Including MVS Command Package, MVS/SE, MVS/

Re: ECB parameter on attach

2010-07-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 07/05/2010 at 10:48 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >Does an RB issue SVC-3, or is it the task the RB dispatches that >issues SVC-3? No. >Does the RB remain once it has caused the task to be dispatched? Assumption contrary to fact. The RB represents work in progress within a task; it doesn

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <1673718699-1278445011-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-10409900...@bda026.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>, on 07/06/2010 at 07:37 PM, Ted MacNEIL said: >RACF already has hooks in OPEN, Nonsense! -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <1266114502-1278510036-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-4418546...@bda026.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>, on 07/07/2010 at 01:41 PM, Ted MacNEIL said: >My point was that ENQ would have to be redesigned in order to use >RACF. Your point was incorrect. There is no need for ENQ to use RACF.

Re: ENQ trap for dynamic allocation

2010-07-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 07/06/2010 at 09:39 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >JES3 is likely different, perhaps not because of RACF. JES3 has a serialization mechanism that uses both DSN and volser. If you don't propogate SYSDSN then you solve the problem for similarly named dataset on different systems. I don't kno

Re: Detecting when a READ/GET crosses a concatenation boundary

2010-07-21 Thread Greg Price
Gilbert Saint-Flour wrote: > Mike Wood said : > check the value of DCBTIOT which is increased each time QSAM/BSAM > start to read the next concatenated DD > Considering the future, and, hopefully, EAV being more prevalent in future, a better choice than DCBTIOT is to use DSABTIOT

Re: Old announcement letters

2010-07-21 Thread Rich Smrcina
I suspect such a timeline is already available on the IBM website. I'm pretty sure there is one for z/VSE. Worst case, you can check Wikipedia. On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) < shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net > wrote: > I'd like to put together timelines[1] for DOS/360 th

Re: Using ISHELL to change the mount mode on the shared plex root?

2010-07-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
We have done this fairly often and have never experienced any problems with it. Jon Jon L. Veilleux veilleu...@aetna.com (860) 636-9179 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Rowe Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:21 PM

History of Hard-Coded Offsets - etc

2010-07-21 Thread Jim Marshall
Back in the 1970s with MVT we found most of the MACROS in SYS1.MACLIB although the real cool ones were in SYS1.AMODGEN. The difficulty was this was sitting on the DLIB pack. If you will recall this was an IBM 2314 and these were removeables; as all the 2314s are. Thus in order to keep to the sp

Re: TSSO problems

2010-07-21 Thread Brian Westerman
Well, you're probably correct, but I've completely replaced those parts in the new code. I decided something drastic had to be done when while accessing the vendor support system I noticed that TSSO had been installed by someone else for some kind of test (which apparently failed). It had deve

TSSO - Hardcoded Offsets - Etc

2010-07-21 Thread Jim Marshall
The comments are warranted although there is more to this than meets the eye. Since you cam blame me for unleashing TSSO on the SHAREWARE world you need to understand its origins. Back in the Air Force Data Services Center in the Pentagon in the 1970s as a Sgt we were running an IBM 360-75J and

Re: Using ISHELL to change the mount mode on the shared plex root?

2010-07-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 07:31:03 -0400, Veilleux, Jon L wrote: >We have done this fairly often and have never experienced any problems with it. And it is a documented procedure: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/BPXZB291/7.5.1?SHELF=BPXZSH91&DT=20090112094853 http://publib

Re: Is this possible to S/A IPL from the HMC DVD?

2010-07-21 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:21:49 +0300, Itschak Mugzach wrote: >During z/Linux installation it is possible to use the HMC's DVD drive as a >tape drive. I wonder is DSS S/A can be started (Loaded) from same device and >not from a IOCP defined device. Unless z/OS specifically provides support to do th

Re: ftp logon with a password phrase

2010-07-21 Thread Mike W Stayton
FYI We want password phrase! We want password phrase! We want password phrase! We want password phrase! We want password phrase! We want password phrase! Mike Stayton z/OS Communications Server 919 254-5057 T/L 444 m...@us.ibm.com Client success extends to the way we anticipate what our

Re: Using ISHELL to change the mount mode on the shared plex root?

2010-07-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Having the SYSPLEX root mounted R/W is NOT a best practice. This allows a malicious or uneducated user the chance to affect your system by filling up the SYSPLEX root zFS. Jon L. Veilleux veilleu...@aetna.com (860) 636-9179 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [m

Re: 2 versus 4 processors

2010-07-21 Thread Scott Chapman
I realize I'm late to this discussion, but if you're on the fence, why not set yourself up so you can do both? You now readily can do so with the z10s. I take it you're waffling between a G04 and (perhaps) an L02. From my chart, an L02 is very slightly more capacity than a G02. So purchas

Re: TSSO - Hardcoded Offsets - Etc

2010-07-21 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
jim.marsh...@opm.gov (Jim Marshall) writes: > The comments are warranted although there is more to this than meets the > eye. Since you cam blame me for unleashing TSSO on the SHAREWARE world > you need to understand its origins. Back in the Air Force Data Services > Center > in the Pentagon i

Re: Using ISHELL to change the mount mode on the shared plex root?

2010-07-21 Thread Mark Zelden
Jon, I meant the exact opposite. Now that you can switch the mode, I think it would be a good "best practice" health check to see that the sysplex root is mounted read only. Sorry that wasn't clear. Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:mze

how to identify members that DO NOT contain a string

2010-07-21 Thread Jim McAlpine
I have a pdse that contains 4000 plus source members and I need to be able to identify those members that DO NOT contain a particular string. Any ideas. Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructi

Re: how to identify members that DO NOT contain a string

2010-07-21 Thread Field, Alan C.
How about: create a list of ALL members, create a second list of members containing the desired string. Use sort to eliminate duplicates leaving a list of those member that do NOT contain the string? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Be

Re: Is this possible to S/A IPL from the HMC DVD?

2010-07-21 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Alen. I don;t think z/Os has to do with this. This is a stand alone IPL. DSS S/A image can be generated as a card-reader image (F/80/80) which is also supported by tape (according to the manual). Anyway, the HMC does allow to load S/A utilities from CD, but it requires an INS file that points to t

Re: how to identify members that DO NOT contain a string

2010-07-21 Thread Hardee, Charles H
Jim, How do you want to see the results? For instance, open the PDS using ISPF/Edit or View and then type "SRCHFOR string" where string is what you want to find, then hit ENTER. The resulting scan will place "*Found" in the prompt column. Place your cursor on the Column header, "Prompt" and pre

Re: how to identify members that DO NOT contain a string

2010-07-21 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:10:25 +0100 Jim McAlpine wrote: :>I have a pdse that contains 4000 plus source members and I need to be able :>to identify those members that DO NOT contain a particular string. Cut away anything that doesn't look like an elephant. IOW, get a list of members, get a list o

Re: how to identify members that DO NOT contain a string

2010-07-21 Thread McKown, John
Three possibilities come to mind. First, list all members of the PDS, then remove all names which DO contain the string. Second, copy the PDS to a UNIX subdirectory using ftp or OPUTX, then do an "fgrep -v" to find all files in the subdirectory which do not have the string. third, NFS mount yo

Re: how to identify members that DO NOT contain a string

2010-07-21 Thread John P Kalinich
Jim McAlpine of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 07/21/2010 09:10:25 AM: > I have a pdse that contains 4000 plus source members and I need to be able > to identify those members that DO NOT contain a particular string. > > Any ideas. > Use the PDS command (CBT file 182). READY pds 'my

Re: how to identify members that DO NOT contain a string

2010-07-21 Thread Patrick Lyon
You can use ISRSUPC to do this. It is the LNFMTO option. Here is an example. JCL: //JOBCARD JOB etc... //SRCHJ PROC DSN='PROD1.PROC.LIBRARY' //SRCH000 EXEC PGM=ISRSUPC,PARM='SRCHCMP,LNFMTO' //NEWDDDD DISP=SHR,DSN=&DSN //OUTDDDD SYSOUT=*

Re: how to identify members that DO NOT contain a string

2010-07-21 Thread Ayhan Yalkut
Hi Jim, you can use ISPF 3.15 option. Only difference from normal usage is that you have to enter LNFMTO parameter on Proces Option line. This usage gives you all members name that do not contain any particular string. Best Regards... -Original Message- From: IB

Re: how to identify members that DO NOT contain a string

2010-07-21 Thread Jim McAlpine
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Hardee, Charles H wrote: > Jim, > > How do you want to see the results? For instance, open the PDS using > ISPF/Edit or View and then type "SRCHFOR string" where string is what you > want to find, then hit ENTER. The resulting scan will place "*Found" in the > prom

Re: TSSO problems

2010-07-21 Thread Scott Rowe
I think if you had read my analysis you would know I am not talking about a "compatibility" problem with HSM. I was hoping someone could verify that what I found looked right. I don't have any coworkers that I can bounce ideas off of. If you didn't want to/couldn't help, why didn't you just

Re: AXR04 on z/OS 1.11

2010-07-21 Thread Marna WALLE
I know that this topic has been fully responded to, but I wanted to add a little more information, if only to make the archive search more complete... The APAR that added this migration action was OA26802, and the HOLD ACTION (and HOLD DOC) in the PTFs for that APAR alerted you of a change. (It p

Re: how to identify members that DO NOT contain a string

2010-07-21 Thread Jim McAlpine
2010/7/21 Ayhan Yalkut >Hi Jim, > >you can use ISPF 3.15 option. Only difference from normal usage is > that you have to enter LNFMTO parameter on Proces Option line. This usage > gives you all members name that do not contain any particular string. > >Best Regards... > >

Re: how to identify members that DO NOT contain a string

2010-07-21 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
> How do you want to see the results? For instance, open the PDS using > ISPF/Edit or View and then type "SRCHFOR string" where string is what you > want to find, then hit ENTER. The resulting scan will place "*Found" in the > prompt column. Place your cursor on the Column header, "Prompt" and pres

Re: how to identify members that DO NOT contain a string

2010-07-21 Thread Hardee, Charles H
Jim, Move your cursor down to the column header, "Prompt" and press enter. This tells ISPF you want the member list sorted on the "Prompt" column. Menu Functions Confirm Utilities Help -- EDIT H30D.TEM

Re: Using ISHELL to change the mount mode on the shared plex root?

2010-07-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Sorry I misread your answer. Jon L. Veilleux veilleu...@aetna.com (860) 636-9179 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Using ISHELL

New BCPii interface for z/OS 1.11 (and 1.10)

2010-07-21 Thread Stan Weyman
Has anyone else delved into using the new BCPii interface for HMC management. The IBM documentation in the Callable Services Guide leaves a LOT to be desired. It appears the HWICMD interface (which is where most of us are going to be spending our time) is an ASYNCHRONOUS interface a

Re: AXR04 on z/OS 1.11

2010-07-21 Thread R.S.
Marna WALLE pisze: I know that this topic has been fully responded to, but I wanted to add a little more information, if only to make the archive search more complete... The APAR that added this migration action was OA26802, and the HOLD ACTION (and HOLD DOC) in the PTFs for that APAR alerted yo

Re: AXR04 on z/OS 1.11

2010-07-21 Thread Clark Morris
On 21 Jul 2010 07:41:23 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >I know that this topic has been fully responded to, but I wanted to add a >little more information, if only to make the archive search more complete... > >The APAR that added this migration action was OA26802, and the HOLD ACTION

Re: how to identify members that DO NOT contain a string

2010-07-21 Thread Dave Salt
If you have SimpList, use the HIDE and SEEK commands. For example, go into a member list and type the following on the command line: ===> SEEK 'some string' ALL ===> HIDE 'some other string' ALL ===> HIDE 'yet another string' ALL The above gives you a member list containing only those members th

Re: AXR04 on z/OS 1.11

2010-07-21 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/21/2010 10:38:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, R.S koru...@bremultibank.com.pl writes: AXR, the AXR04 can be canceled, but nobody confirmed it is the method suggested by IBM. Many address spaces CAN be canceled but it SHOULDN'T be a method for regular shutdown. Temporari

Re: how to identify members that DO NOT contain a string

2010-07-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:24:12 -0500, McKown, John wrote: > >do an "fgrep -v" to find all files in the subdirectory which do not have the >string. > Won't that find all files containing one or more lines not containing the string? (I presume you intended a "-l" option also.) -- gil -

Any ROT for DASD Response time

2010-07-21 Thread Lizette Koehler
We are running an EMC DMX4500 shared with the open system side. MVS has 9TB and the open side has 500TB. So they win. We have points in time where our production application (DB2 Stored Procedures with Native SQL) has slow responses. The DBAs are using RMF and TMON (DB2 and MVS) to isolate

Re: AXR04 on z/OS 1.11

2010-07-21 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:59:19 -0300 Clark Morris wrote: :>While I am semi-retired (offer me a good contract and ...), I am :>appalled that a function is installed that requires a FORCE for it to :>shutdown. If I were a systems programmer, I would APAR that at a :>severity 2 and escalate if not ac

Re: Any ROT for DASD Response time

2010-07-21 Thread Hal Merritt
Point is that you are not meeting your SLA goals. If DASD response time is an issue, then it can be described as 'poor DASD performance'. It does not really matter what the response times are, the issue is that they are too slow. In this context a ROT for any delay would be zero, IMHO. HTH an

Re: Any ROT for DASD Response time

2010-07-21 Thread Staller, Allan
Your DBA's are not even close. Unless the DB2 address spaces are waiting for DFHSM services(unlikely), faggedabouditt! Your normal tuning should insulate DB2 from any vagaries of DFHSM processing. IMO the most likely cause (if there is DASD interference) would be in the cache. I don't know if E

Re: Any ROT for DASD Response time

2010-07-21 Thread Ulrich Krueger
> So they win. They don't have to ... I seem to remember some discussions here on IBM-Main about this subject not too long ago. And, IIRC, the outcome was to dedicate some of the cache memory in the DASD box to the mainframe, in order to preserve I/O performance. Ask EMC to review internal perf

Re: Using ISHELL to change the mount mode on the shared plex root?

2010-07-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
By the way, I took a few minutes and wrote a REXX Health Check to make sure that the SYSPLEX Root is mounted R/O. It's not very difficult. Message table is the hardest part. Jon L. Veilleux veilleu...@aetna.com (860) 636-9179 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Any ROT for DASD Response time

2010-07-21 Thread Patrick Lyon
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:36:38 -0500, Staller, Allan wrote: I don't know if EMC has the ability to "fence" the cache for workload separation (open systems vs. z/OS). That would be a "no". We now "live happily together" here again on a VMAX. Once upon a time in Symmetrix land we tried having

Re: AXR04 on z/OS 1.11

2010-07-21 Thread R.S.
Binyamin Dissen pisze: On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:59:19 -0300 Clark Morris wrote: :>While I am semi-retired (offer me a good contract and ...), I am :>appalled that a function is installed that requires a FORCE for it to :>shutdown. If I were a systems programmer, I would APAR that at a :>severity

Re: Any ROT for DASD Response time

2010-07-21 Thread Staller, Allan
YMMV! That would be a "no". We now "live happily together" here again on a VMAX. Once upon a time in Symmetrix land we tried having both on the same box, but the technology just didn't live up to it's billing. We went to seperate boxes until March of this year, where management saw it fit t

Re: AXR04 on z/OS 1.11

2010-07-21 Thread Edward Jaffe
Binyamin Dissen wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:59:19 -0300 Clark Morris wrote: :>While I am semi-retired (offer me a good contract and ...), I am :>appalled that a function is installed that requires a FORCE for it to :>shutdown. If I were a systems programmer, I would APAR that at a :>severity

Re: AXR04 on z/OS 1.11

2010-07-21 Thread Richard Peurifoy
On 7/21/2010 1:25 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote: Binyamin Dissen wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:59:19 -0300 Clark Morris wrote: :>While I am semi-retired (offer me a good contract and ...), I am :>appalled that a function is installed that requires a FORCE for it to :>shutdown. If I were a systems pro

Re: 2 versus 4 processors

2010-07-21 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I'm just curious. What does that do for your software bill for the month? Do they bill you at the highest level you use, or does that use the highest rolling 4 hour average, or what? If you adjusted it 5 times in one working day, you never got a 4 hour period at the same capacity level. -- E

Re: AXR04 on z/OS 1.11

2010-07-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:56:39 +0200, R.S. wrote: >Binyamin Dissen pisze: >> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:59:19 -0300 Clark Morris >> wrote: >> >> :>While I am semi-retired (offer me a good contract and ...), I am >> :>appalled that a function is installed that requires a FORCE for it to >> :>shutdown.

Re: Using ISHELL to change the mount mode on the shared plex root?

2010-07-21 Thread van der Grijn, Bart (B)
Jon, I thought the sysplex root had to be R/W. When I switch SYSRES volumes a new entry is automatically created in the sysplex root at IPL time. How does this work if you run your sysplex root RO? The USS planning guide (1.10) has the following to say: The sysplex root is used by the system to

Re: System z Security Vulnerabilities

2010-07-21 Thread Alan Harrison
Thanks guys. Some clarification. 1. For those nervous about shortened URLs, my blog is indeed at https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/zSecurity/ 2. If you read the LinkedIn discussion (you can find a link in the blog post) and the blog post itself you'll see I'm not talking

Re: AXR04 on z/OS 1.11

2010-07-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:19:07 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: > >BTW, "FORCE ARM" is no more than a cancel except that it goes through >ARM processing. It doesn't do a memterm like a regular FORCE. For clarification... ARM The system is to terminate the specified job, time-sharing user, or

Re: Using ISHELL to change the mount mode on the shared plex root?

2010-07-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:19:59 -0400, van der Grijn, Bart (B) wrote: >Jon, I thought the sysplex root had to be R/W. When I switch SYSRES >volumes a new entry is automatically created in the sysplex root at IPL >time. How does this work if you run your sysplex root RO? > >The USS planning guide (1.

Panvalet Question

2010-07-21 Thread Lizette Koehler
I am trying to clean up all the "no longer used" panvalet modules. And of course there are lots of pieces everywhere. I ran across a module that seems to be access via ROSCOE but do not know what it is used. PANMODI is the Panvalet Options Module. What function does it perform if we no longe

Re: Using ISHELL to change the mount mode on the shared plex root?

2010-07-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:29:52 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: >On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:19:59 -0400, van der Grijn, Bart (B) > wrote: > >>Jon, I thought the sysplex root had to be R/W. When I switch SYSRES >>volumes a new entry is automatically created in the sysplex root at IPL >>time. How does this work

Re: AXR04 on z/OS 1.11

2010-07-21 Thread Clark Morris
On 21 Jul 2010 11:38:27 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >On 7/21/2010 1:25 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote: >> Binyamin Dissen wrote: >>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:59:19 -0300 Clark Morris >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> :>While I am semi-retired (offer me a good contract and ...), I am >>> :>appalled that

Re: Any ROT for DASD Response time

2010-07-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>In this context a ROT for any delay would be zero, IMHO. That, of course, is totally unrealistic. 2-5ms/IO is reasonable, IMO. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff

Re: 2 versus 4 processors

2010-07-21 Thread Scott Chapman
Rolling 4 hour average utilization. Capacity only sets the maximum utilization level you can achieve. If you turn the machine up, obviously you now have headroom to do more work and so the rolling 4 hour average would likely increase if you took advantage of that capacity (assuming you don't

Re: System z Security Vulnerabilities

2010-07-21 Thread Rick Fochtman
- 2. If you read the LinkedIn discussion (you can find a link in the blog post) and the blog post itself you'll see I'm not talking about vulnerabilities in the code base. I'm talking about insecure configurations, people NOT locki

Re: 2 versus 4 processors

2010-07-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Do they bill you at the highest level you use, or does that use the highest >rolling 4 hour average, or what? For variable usage products, it's easy and SCRT can handle it. >If you adjusted it 5 times in one working day, you never got a 4 hour period >at the same capacity level. I believe for

Re: AXR04 on z/OS 1.11

2010-07-21 Thread Edward Jaffe
Clark Morris wrote: ... If I understand other postings and from what I recall from 20 years ago when I was an active systems programmer, FORCE ARM was a last resort... FORCE is a last resort. FORCE ARM is how you cancel a non-cancellable address space. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software Int

Linux/X86 as a started task?

2010-07-21 Thread Wilkins, Mike
I seem to recall a few years ago running across a link to a product that would run Linux in z/OS as a started task. Can't find it, if it existed at all. Anyone know of a z/OS product like this? And no, we cannot carve out an lpar to play on. Or, run z/VM. Several years ago we were ready to b

Re: AXR04 on z/OS 1.11

2010-07-21 Thread Clark Morris
On 21 Jul 2010 14:48:39 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >Clark Morris wrote: >> ... If I understand other postings and from what >> I recall from 20 years ago when I was an active systems programmer, >> FORCE ARM was a last resort... > >FORCE is a last resort. FORCE ARM is how you canc

Re: AXR04 on z/OS 1.11

2010-07-21 Thread Edward Jaffe
Clark Morris wrote: On 21 Jul 2010 14:48:39 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Clark Morris wrote: ... If I understand other postings and from what I recall from 20 years ago when I was an active systems programmer, FORCE ARM was a last resort... FORCE is a last resort.

Re: Linux/X86 as a started task?

2010-07-21 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 7/21/2010 at 05:58 PM, "Wilkins, Mike" wrote: > I seem to recall a few years ago running across a link to a product that > would run Linux in z/OS as a started task. Can't find it, if it existed at > all. Anyone know of a z/OS product like this? I can't recall the name of it at the mo

Re: Linux/X86 as a started task?

2010-07-21 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 7/21/2010 at 05:58 PM, "Wilkins, Mike" wrote: > I seem to recall a few years ago running across a link to a product that > would run Linux in z/OS as a started task. It was named ISX. Early versions didn't work for Linux but that's apparently been remedied. See http://www.iis-service

Re: AXR04 on z/OS 1.11

2010-07-21 Thread Bob Rutledge
Edward Jaffe wrote: Clark Morris wrote: On 21 Jul 2010 14:48:39 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Clark Morris wrote: ... If I understand other postings and from what I recall from 20 years ago when I was an active systems programmer, FORCE ARM was a last resort... FORC

Re: Any ROT for DASD Response time

2010-07-21 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/21/2010 3:02:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, eamacn...@yahoo.ca writes: That, of course, is totally unrealistic. 2-5ms/IO is reasonable, IMO. >> The folks over at _www.perfassoc.com_ (http://www.perfassoc.com) do this for a living. They got White Papers on different

Re: Any ROT for DASD Response time

2010-07-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>The folks over at _www.perfassoc.com_ (http://www.perfassoc.com) do this for a living. Yes, I know that. But, I was responding to the poster who said delay had to be ZERO. IMPOSSIBLE! - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota! -

It's escaped ...

2010-07-21 Thread Shane Ginnane
Seems Jim couldn't keep the lid on things. The IBM Canada home page is all dressed up with nowhere to go ... :0) Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu w

Re: It's escaped ...

2010-07-21 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/21/2010 10:47:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ibm-m...@tpg.com.au writes: The IBM Canada home page is all dressed up with nowhere to go ... >> You mean thees ones... _http://www.vm.ibm.com/devpages/jelliott/_ (http://www.vm.ibm.com/devpages/jelliott/) ---

Re: It's escaped ...

2010-07-21 Thread Rich Smrcina
No... those are the z/VM developers pages, specifically Jim Elliott, in this case. Shane is referring to http://www.ibm.ca. ca for Canada... On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Ed Finnell wrote: > > In a message dated 7/21/2010 10:47:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > ibm-m...@tpg.com.au writes: >

AUTO: Lionel Dyck is out of the office (returning 07/26/2010)

2010-07-21 Thread Lionel Dyck
I am out of the office until 07/26/2010. I am out of the office. Call my cell if this is an emergency. Note: This is an automated response to your message "Re: AXR04 on z/OS 1.11" sent on 7/21/10 17:32:02. This is the only notification you will receive while this person is away. -

Re: Any ROT for DASD Response time

2010-07-21 Thread Ron Hawkins
Hal, Is that always true? If your application is getting 100% cache hits with 0.3ms response time, has a sub second service level, but issues 10,000 IO then there is no way you will meet your service level even though your response time is as near to perfect as it can be. The number of IO yo

Re: Using ISHELL to change the mount mode on the shared plex root?

2010-07-21 Thread Barbara Nitz
>Now that you can switch the mode, I think it would be a good "best practice" >health check to see that the sysplex root is mounted read only. As long as IBM does NOT run this check in environments that are SYSPLEX (NO), no objections. :-) Regards, Barbara ---

Re: Any ROT for DASD Response time

2010-07-21 Thread Ron Hawkins
All, I recommend Lizette have a look at the papers "do you have one second response time" and with "Everything You Know is Wrong," and decide from empirical observation what a good response time is for the workload in question. For example, if this is predominantly read CA-IDMS or IMS DEDB, workl

Re: AXR04 on z/OS 1.11

2010-07-21 Thread Barbara Nitz
>There are several system address spaces that must be canceled to shut >them down. AXR and TN3270 are the only two I can think of that use FORCE >ARM. Until a short while ago, RRS was one of those that needed to be FORCE,ARMed. IBM has finally seen the light and provided a 'normal shutdown' comm

Re: how to identify members that DO NOT contain a string

2010-07-21 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
To explain this trick a little more: putting your cursor on a column header and pressing Enter sort the list on that item. This again is a short form of the "sort prompt (or any other column)" command. Kees. "Hardee, Charles H" wrote in message news:... > Jim, > > Move your cursor down to th

Re: It's escaped ...

2010-07-21 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
My first glance impression is: a new campaign has started with letter 1 of the FUD strategy...;-) Kees. "Rich Smrcina" wrote in message news:... > No... those are the z/VM developers pages, specifically Jim Elliott, in this > case. Shane is referring to http://www.ibm.ca. ca for Canada... > >