Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

In , on 04/29/2011 at 09:14 AM, Wayne Driscoll said: >The setfacl command is supported on most "recent" linux distributions >with SELinux disabled. Thanks. I saw a reference to the provenance of ACL's in Linux after I posted my message. Apparently it goes all the way back to POSIX. --

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uot;Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 04/28/2011 08:31 PM Subject: Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List In , on 04/25/2011 at 01:46 PM, "McKown, John" said: >I may have misunderstood. I do fi

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In , on 04/25/2011 at 01:46 PM, "McKown, John" said: >I may have misunderstood. I do find it confusing. But ACLs (Access >Control Lists) work even if you don't have SELinux working. I use >them all the time on Linux. I believe that you'll find that you have SELinux installed. I believe that

Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

In , on 04/13/2011 at 05:02 PM, Mike Schwab said: >While a Student at Illinois State University in Normal, I was told >they had some program hogging the 3270 terminals saying it was the >Cookie Monster and when someone typed in Cookie it shut down. AFAIK the cookie monster was first implement

Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 12:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS &g

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In <939527.18083...@web65513.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>, on 04/13/2011 at 02:11 PM, Scott Ford said: >How many MF hackers (sic) or viruses have you seen, Several[1]. I was one[2]. >I have been  at it 40yrs, never one You've never seen a printed report of one, or just never seen one in action? The

Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

In , on 04/13/2011 at 03:18 PM, "McKown, John" said: >Try running Linux with the SELinux enhancements fully implemented. >That makes Linux very difficult (to me) to break. SELinux implements >MAC controls instead of DAC controls. ? The last I heard it added access control lists as a suppleme

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In , on 04/12/2011 at 05:52 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: >It's more plausible that sites that like to consider themselves very >secure prohibit running servers of whatever sort (even X11?) on >desktops. Why? And is it true for the sites that actually are very secure, as opposed to the ones that o

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> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lionel Teed > > ...from the tinker toy farm to the citadel. love that statement. > > I seem to recall a simliar saying from a while back along the lines of... > > PC Users drive sports Cars, Mainframe users drive

Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

...from the tinker toy farm to the citadel. love that statement. I seem to recall a simliar saying from a while back along the lines of... PC Users drive sports Cars, Mainframe users drive a freight train! Convey's nicely the difference! Lionel ---

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> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman > > -- --- > > > Perhaps network/PC people simply can't conceive of a server being that secure/robust. Indeed, I know > of a networ

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would be a bit tougher I would think, plus a pre-req would be > enough > knowledge to get in and be able to execute, plus passwords and ids...A lot of > research and work ...just to hack a MF re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#23 Fear the Internet, was Cool Things

Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

>they had some program hogging the 3270 terminals saying it was the Cookie >Monster and when someone typed in Cookie it shut down. >Guessing some sort of prank program. I was told, in University by masters grad who co-op'd as a MULTICS developer, that it was a security penetration process that w

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was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS scott_j_f...@yahoo.com (Scott Ford) writes: > > ??? whats it XMASCARD recent post http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#9 mentions: there was xmas exec on bitnet in nov87 ... vmshare archive http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/browse?fn=CHRISTMA&am

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scott_j_f...@yahoo.com (Scott Ford) writes: > > ??? whats it XMASCARD recent post http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011b.html#9 mentions: there was xmas exec on bitnet in nov87 ... vmshare archive http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/browse?fn=CHRISTMA&ft=PROB and was almost exactly a year bef

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Washington State University > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On > Behalf Of Mike Schwab > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:02 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do i

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On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Scott Ford wrote: > > ??? whats it XMASCARD > > Scott J Ford > http://forums.vindy.com/read.php?1,489019,page=3 While a Student at Illinois State University in Normal, I was told they had some program hogging the 3270 terminals saying it was the Cooki

Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

ginal Message- >> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On >> > Behalf Of Dick Bond >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 3:19 PM >> > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu >> > Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS >> > &g

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Bond > > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 3:19 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > > Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > > > > That's a couple of big "ifs" - that's why we can't use it. Our > workstation IP > > addresses, even

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half Of Anne & Lynn Wheeler > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 4:45 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > > mike.a.sch...@gmail.com (Mike Schwab) writes: > > Writing the SE Linux was done with a National Securit

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??? whats it XMASCARD   Scott J Ford   From: Ian S. Worthington To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 5:16:07 PM Subject: Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS XMASCARD EXEC i -- Original Message

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XMASCARD EXEC i -- Original Message -- Received: 04:12 PM COT, 04/13/2011 From: Scott Ford To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > Ok guys, let me ask one question, btw I also working in Security now,ACF2,RACF > and TSS. Ho

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who dont even know their own evnviroments.   Scott J Ford   From: Rick Fochtman To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 3:58:15 PM Subject: Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

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mike.a.sch...@gmail.com (Mike Schwab) writes: > Writing the SE Linux was done with a National Security Agency (No Such > Agency) (NSA) research grant. > http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/ also from long ago and far away: http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/list-archive/0409/8362.shtm -- virtu

Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:25 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > > &g

Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:18 PM, McKown, John wrote: > > Try running Linux with the SELinux enhancements fully implemented. That makes > Linux very difficult (to me) to break. SELinux implements MAC controls > instead of DAC controls. And it can even make it impossible for "root" to > modify so

Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 2:58 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > Hal, yo

Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

- Perhaps network/PC people simply can't conceive of a server being that secure/robust. Indeed, I know of a network guy who firmly believes that the MF would fail if presented with enough network traffic. To be fai

Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

ion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Ford Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 10:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS ..snip The issue you are speaking of, I dont get why ppl are afraid. I assume viruses, but I hav

Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

: Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS From personal experience here: Our z/OS network person campaigned for "no outbound connections" (other than whitelisted) because he knows that the majority of the corporate information resides on the z/OS system. So he f

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ist [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 7:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS >From personal experience here: Our z/OS network person campaigned for "no >outbound connection

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gt; Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 5:38 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On > > Behalf Of Dick Bond > >

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> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Dick Bond > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 5:19 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > > That's a couple of big "

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> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave > > > > That's a couple of big "ifs" - that's why we can't use it. Our > workstation IP > > addresses, even if fixed (like mine - most are not), cannot be > accessed from > > z/OS. I would think most real

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mainframe sends the connection request (and other requests) to the workstation agent. Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - try it; you'll get it! http://www.mackinney.com/products/program-development/simplist.html > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:52:08 -0500 > From: paulgboul...@aim.com > S

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On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:33:06 -0400, Dave Salt wrote: >> From: dick bond >> Our workstation IP addresses, even if fixed (like mine - most are not), >> cannot be accessed >> from z/OS. I would think most real-world shops are that way - if not, well, >> they may need to hire some networking personn

Fear the Internet, was Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On > Behalf Of Dick Bond > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 3:19 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > > That's a couple of big "

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ww.mackinney.com/products/program-development/simplist.html > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:19:28 -0700 > From: dickbond...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > > That's a couple of big "ifs" - that's why we can

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That's a couple of big "ifs" - that's why we can't use it. Our workstation IP addresses, even if fixed (like mine - most are not), cannot be accessed from z/OS. I would think most real-world shops are that way - if not, well, they may need to hire some networking personnel to setup proper securit

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:25:27 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > >>WSA sounds like a good candidate for SSL/SSH implementation, with >>port tunneling. I suppose they didn't do it that way. > >LU 6.2 and TCP/ My preference would be to do it as an X client on >z/OS; pretty much every PC OS thes

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In , on 04/08/2011 at 06:14 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: >WSA sounds like a good candidate for SSL/SSH implementation, with >port tunneling. I suppose they didn't do it that way. LU 6.2 and TCP/ My preference would be to do it as an X client on z/OS; pretty much every PC OS these days has an X s

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AIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Barkow, Eileen > > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:53 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@bam

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. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 11:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussio

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> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Barkow, Eileen > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:53 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > > I cannot ping the PC IP add

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- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:52:57 -0400, Barkow, Eileen wrote: >I cannot ping the PC IP add

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On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:52:57 -0400, Barkow, Eileen wrote: >I cannot ping the PC IP address and WSA gives back RC=60, so I am assuming >that it is the firewall >(network people told me that it was ICMP in particular). > Yup. Ping requires ICMP. And PITA but, many firewall administrators operate

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> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:52:57 -0400 > From: ebar...@doitt.nyc.gov > Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > > I cannot ping the PC IP address and WSA gives back RC=60, so I am assuming > that it is the firewall > (network people

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, April 12, 2011 10:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:45:05 -0400, Barkow, Eileen wrote: >I cannot connect from the pc to the mainframe - I was told that the fireall >was preventing ICMP traffic. >I just requested that the fi

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On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:45:05 -0400, Barkow, Eileen wrote: >I cannot connect from the pc to the mainframe - I was told that the fireall >was preventing ICMP traffic. >I just requested that the firewall be opened to allow ICMP traffic. > >But is there any other way around the firewall to connect t

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session managers available. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS In , on 04/08/2011 at 03:52 PM

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In , on 04/08/2011 at 01:41 PM, Mike Schwab said: >ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/tivoli_support/patches/CIMSLab/documentation/cimsmart/v130/ispfwork.pdf >Is that the instructions? Not current. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

In , on 04/08/2011 at 03:52 PM, Dick Bond said: >a couple of glitches - make sure have a "fixed" IP address for your >workstation That's not necessary if you are running a current release unless 1. You are running a session manager that can't pass on the IP address 2. You don't have

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

In , on 04/08/2011 at 12:56 PM, Dave Salt said: >I think one of the coolest thing in z/OS is the ability to connect an >ISPF session to a PC/workstation. The Devil is in the details. I use WSAGUI when allowed, but not without cursing it for not supporting proper cut-and-paste. In addition, it

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it! http://www.mackinney.com/products/program-development/simplist.html > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:07:02 -0400 > From: dej@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > > Sorry about that...I thought I cleared the "To" list, but...

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Sorry about that...I thought I cleared the "To" list, but...mea culpa! *don* On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Steve Comstock wrote: > On 4/11/2011 10:08 AM, Donald Johnson wrote: > >> Hi Steve! I havd tried a couple times, without much luck. If you could be >> so >> kind as to forward me a copy,

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On 4/11/2011 10:08 AM, Donald Johnson wrote: Hi Steve! I havd tried a couple times, without much luck. If you could be so kind as to forward me a copy, I would be happy to tell you that I have done it! *don* U. You realize you posted to the list and not me directly, right? And what is it yo

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Hi Steve! I havd tried a couple times, without much luck. If you could be so kind as to forward me a copy, I would be happy to tell you that I have done it! *don* On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Steve Comstock wrote: > On 4/8/2011 5:43 PM, Dave Salt wrote: > >> In my experience it's usually quite

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman > > * Finally, to make the list, the cool thing has to be taught in one or > more of our courses > > + So we name a cool feature and can also show you where to learn how to > use it > > (Of course, on

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onnection! Regards, Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - try it; you'll get it! http://www.mackinney.com/products/program-development/simplist.html > Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 23:50:17 -0600 > From: st...@trainersfriend.com > Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > To: IBM-MAIN@

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On 4/8/2011 5:43 PM, Dave Salt wrote: In my experience it's usually quite straightforward to set up a workstation connection, especially if you set one up at work (i.e. where the PC and mainframe are both on the same intranet). Even if you don't have a static IP address, the ZIPADDR system var

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ent/simplist.html > Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 18:14:38 -0500 > From: paulgboul...@aim.com > Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > > On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 15:52:37 -0700, Dick Bond wrote: > > >a couple of glitches - make sure have a &

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On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 15:52:37 -0700, Dick Bond wrote: >a couple of glitches - make sure have a "fixed" IP address for your >workstation (could be a big glitch in some shops) and also, if you are lucky WSA sounds like a good candidate for SSL/SSH implementation, with port tunneling. I suppose they

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a couple of glitches - make sure have a "fixed" IP address for your workstation (could be a big glitch in some shops) and also, if you are lucky to have a fixed IP address, make sure you can "ping" it from your ISPF session before bothering to set this up - if you can't ping it for one reason or an

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* Finally, to make the list, the cool thing has to be taught in one or more of our courses + So we name a cool feature and can also show you where to learn how to use it (Of course, one can theoretically learn these things oneself by reading and trial and error; but we write courses to save

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ist(tm) - try it; you'll get it! http://www.mackinney.com/products/program-development/simplist.html > Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:46:03 -0700 > From: gib...@wsu.edu > Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > > Except that as GUI's

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/tivoli_support/patches/CIMSLab/documentation/cimsmart/v130/ispfwork.pdf Is that the instructions? On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Dave Salt wrote: > I think one of the coolest thing in z/OS is the ability to connect an ISPF > session to a PC/workstation. > >

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The GUI does suck. However, WSA provides a lot of other capabilities too. Such as the ability to use the ISPF editor to edit files on your workstation or use a workstation editor to edit a data set on the host. You can also issue workstation commands from your TSO session. My favorite is ISPF's

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On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:28:23 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: >do you >mention the ability to have multiple named splits in ISPF? A lot of people I know can't seem to go beyond two. So far today, I have only five. Often I have ten or more -- at 90x142. -- Tom Marchant -

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2011 9:57 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > > I think one of the coolest thing in z/OS is the ability to connect an ISPF session > to a PC/workstation. > > The ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA.EXE) seems to be one of ISPF's best kept >

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On 4/8/2011 10:28 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In<4d9b1116.2070...@trainersfriend.com>, on 04/05/2011 at 06:54 AM, Steve Comstock said: * Finally, to make the list, the cool thing has to be taught in one or more of our courses + So we name a cool feature and can also show y

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On 4/8/2011 10:20 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In<4d9b1116.2070...@trainersfriend.com>, on 04/05/2011 at 06:54 AM, Steve Comstock said: * Finally, to make the list, the cool thing has to be taught in one or more of our courses + So we name a cool feature and can also show y

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nt: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:05 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > > Have you tried it under Wine? Not saying I have, just > curious if that would work. It would be what I would try if > I could find the time. > > Peter >

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ay, April 08, 2011 1:02 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > > No Linux/Intel client. > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Salt >

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lt > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:57 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > > I think one of the coolest thing in z/OS is the ability to > connect an ISPF session to a PC/workstation. > > The ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA.EXE) seems

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I think one of the coolest thing in z/OS is the ability to connect an ISPF session to a PC/workstation. The ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA.EXE) seems to be one of ISPF's best kept secrets. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't use it and I couldn't imagine working without it. Dave Salt Si

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In , on 04/06/2011 at 11:57 AM, Sam Siegel said: >Please consider the RAS on the US domestic phone switching network. Ah, the little girl[1] with a little curl. Having dealt with verizon this year, I would not advise that they brag about their RAS; a one week outage due to a bungled repair on

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

In <4d9b1116.2070...@trainersfriend.com>, on 04/05/2011 at 06:54 AM, Steve Comstock said: >* Finally, to make the list, the cool thing has to be taught > in one or more of our courses > + So we name a cool feature and can also show you where > to learn how to use it > (Of course,

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

In <4d9b1116.2070...@trainersfriend.com>, on 04/05/2011 at 06:54 AM, Steve Comstock said: >* Finally, to make the list, the cool thing has to be taught > in one or more of our courses > + So we name a cool feature and can also show you where > to learn how to use it > (Of course,

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

--Original Message-- From: Ed Finnell Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu ReplyTo: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS Sent: Apr 6, 2011 18:27 We had a case where one of our competitors made a 5 million dollar accounting

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We had a case where one of our competitors made a 5 million dollar accounting mistake and the guy converted to travelers checks and left the country. Anyway, when the case came to trial he proclaimed divine intervention. Few of the managers took lunch breaks to hear the testimony. 'Nope noth

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W dniu 2011-04-06 21:50, Tony Harminc pisze: On 6 April 2011 14:57, Sam Siegel wrote: [...] A telephone billing system that computes the wrong price for 0.0001 percent of billed calls is completely unacceptable. Wrong. Plain wrong. BTDT. It also apply to banking systems and even pharmacy sys

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> there was an incident a few years back where the 1-800 mapping for major > percentage of the POS (point-of-sale) card-swipe terminals in the US was > down for 12 minutes during a mid-day period ... this was treated as a > serious corporate incident between major transaction processor and major >

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

> The criteria are quite different. A public phone system that connects > 0.0001 percent of calls to the wrong place and drops a similar number > in mid call is perfectly acceptable. A phone system (even a single > local switch serving 10,000 lines) that is down for one minute a week > is complete

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

On 6 April 2011 15:19, McKown, John wrote: > I don't know what hardware the phone switches run on. But, from what I've > been told, the software is usually written in Erlang. If we're talking about "traditional" circuit-switching digital switches, i.e. those that ran the North American public s

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

nes) that is down for one minute a week > is completely unacceptable. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#4 Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS there was an incident a few years back where the 1-800 mapping for major percentage of the POS (point-of-sale) card-swipe terminals in the US was down

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

On 6 April 2011 14:57, Sam Siegel wrote: > Please consider the RAS on the US domestic phone switching network. > It is a distributed system that (to my knowledge) does not use z/OS or > zSeries hardware.  You also have service providers like Google, the > global DNS servers, etc.  The list can be

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

s...@pscsi.net (Sam Siegel) writes: > Please consider the RAS on the US domestic phone switching network. > It is a distributed system that (to my knowledge) does not use z/OS or > zSeries hardware. You also have service providers like Google, the > global DNS servers, etc. The list can be easily

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Sam Siegel > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:58 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Rick Fochtman wrote: > > ... Maybe people want distributed-style application RAS;. > > Excuse me, but "distributed-styl

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

... Maybe people want distributed-style application RAS;. Excuse me, but "distributed-style RAS" seems to be, in my experience, a rather glaring contra

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

One of the features of the edit compare that I find useful is that while editing you can issue command COMPARE * to see what changes you made since the last save. - Don Imbriale On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Big Iron wrote: > I always liked the COMPARE command of the ISPF editor. You can use

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

I always liked the COMPARE command of the ISPF editor. You can use it in combination with the SDSF edit JCL feature to compare JCL for the submitted job with another related copy. Also handy for comparing different versions of source. Bill On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:30:25 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote:

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

On 4/6/2011 5:26 AM, Curtis Jackson wrote: One thing I found a few years ago that it appears is not very well known is the "hilite" function in ISPF Editor. You can have editor hilite JCL, REXX, Assembler, C, Cobol, HTML, and other things. I find it helpful in spotting JCL errors and REXX synta

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

One thing I found a few years ago that it appears is not very well known is the "hilite" function in ISPF Editor. You can have editor hilite JCL, REXX, Assembler, C, Cobol, HTML, and other things. I find it helpful in spotting JCL errors and REXX syntax errors before I submit/execute the job.

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

>>> On 4/5/2011 at 04:09 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > CMS does better than Linux and most other OSes in this respect > in that it can run its kernel in shared read-only memory. Linux has been able to run out of an NSS for years now, just like CMS. It's also been able to use DCSS for file system

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:28:47 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: >> >They can run about 300 Linux servers per IFL, and share much of the >disk space by mounting the Operating System Read only, and only have a >small amount of unique disk space per instance. > CMS does better than Linux and most other OSes in

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

Of course the usage of the Linux instance will have to be of a certain "type" in order to support such a high ratio. But given the right workload, you could support a very high number of virtual servers. I think like most things that we end up involved in.. "it depends" can certainly lead you in

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Kirk Wolf wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Ward, Mike S wrote: >> >> Problems on z systems aren't tolerated like in the distributed >> environment. >> > > Agreed wrt z/OS, but what about virtualized z servers like Linux on z > and zBX?   Maybe people want

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Ward, Mike S wrote: > > Problems on z systems aren't tolerated like in the distributed > environment. > Agreed wrt z/OS, but what about virtualized z servers like Linux on z and zBX? Maybe people want distributed-style application RAS; doesn't mean that they can

Re: Cool Things You Can Do in z/OS

* To be considered "cool", a feature or facility of z/OS must: + Have useful, real world application + Be generally unknown by z/OS application programmers (most people on this list already know these features, but application programmers are generally not as current, due

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