> The expense management is comparing is one z9 versus one little
server.
> Once they start multiplying the number of little servers they need to
run
> the same workload they spend more.
This is pretty much an old chestnut. It is implied that one z9
necessarily does the work of many servers and is
Go license ORACLE on the hundreds of servers you might need to replace a z9
with two IFLs running z/VM and as many Linux guests as you care to put on
it. The expense management is comparing is one z9 versus one little server.
Once they start multiplying the number of little servers they need to
K (mk for microkernel, based on
> Chorus)) for the OPUS product 1989-1997. Became part of the Amadeus
> project with USL and the EC (can't remember the name of the EC
> initiative).
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#50 Migration from Mainframe to othre
platforms - the ot
Rich Smrcina wrote:
> At one time AIX ran on the mainframe, first as AIX/370, then briefly as
> AIX/ESA. Now it is strictly a System p operating system.
>
Other than having AIX in the name and being ports based on some version of
Unix, AIX/ESA and AIX/370 didn't have much in common with the AIX
X boxes.
>
>
>From:
>"Kelman, Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:
>IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
>Date:
>01/31/2008 12:16 PM
>Subject:
>Re: Migration from Mainframe to othre platforms - the othe bell?
>
>
>
>Are you interested in just z/OS stories or in st
At one time AIX ran on the mainframe, first as AIX/370, then briefly as
AIX/ESA. Now it is strictly a System p operating system.
Steve Comstock wrote:
WAIT! STOP! Is an AIX machine a mainframe??? I don't
think so. I know the definition is a slippery one,
but to me a mainframe is a Syztem z mac
That AIX machine is a lot faster and more powerful than the MP3000 it replaced.
I basically runs both Joy and P&H. I honestly don't know if there is just
one, or a couple. I think there is one for production and one for test, but I
never got the details when I was still there. That AIX machi
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Comstock) writes:
> WAIT! STOP! Is an AIX machine a mainframe??? I don't
> think so. I know the definition is a slippery one,
> but to me a
>WAIT! STOP! Is an AIX machine a mainframe??? I don't think so
A true bigot!!
We had an automation package running under AIX (now) LINUX for our warehouses.
It ran on one processor that was just as busy and general purpose as a zOS
mainframe.
And, the chips were faster.
If not a mainframe, what
Eric Bielefeld wrote:
Actually, P&H uses regular sized forklifts. They're equiped
with a device hooked up to their AIX mainframe
WAIT! STOP! Is an AIX machine a mainframe??? I don't
think so. I know the definition is a slippery one,
but to me a mainframe is a Syztem z machine, or one
of its p
Actually, P&H uses regular sized forklifts. They're equiped with a device
hooked up to their AIX mainframe that tells them where to go and what to do
next. The big stuff all gets moved around by P&H Overhead Cranes. Those are
good for moving around 8 X 10 chunks of steel 4 or 5 inches thick.
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld
>
> I think I've mentioned this here before, but I used to work
> at P&H Mining Equipment in Milwaukee. [ snip ]
>
> One of those [IT] people got a job at higher pay as a
> forklift operator!
e/59984
Tom Kelman
Commerce Bank of Kansas City
(816) 760-7632
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mautalen Juan Guillermo
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:58 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Migration from Mainframe to o
>It was true back in the 90's that the mainframe was more expensive for most
>customers.
I actually disagree with that.
Back then, PCs and *NIX platforms were a lot more expensive.
If you looked at cost per seat, and cost for support personell, the M/F was
still cheaper.
The whole TCO argument
I'd suggest that you do a seach on "mainframe TCO" on Google to get
some more information on this topic. I spend a lot of time at IBM
educating customers on what the true cost of ownership is for various
technology platforms they choose. It was true back in the 90's that
the mainframe was more expe
Hey, that's great news! I used to run a forklift...
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Eric Bielefeld
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 3:54 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Migration from Mainframe to
I think I've mentioned this here before, but I used to work at P&H Mining
Equipment in Milwaukee. They had a mainframe running SAP/R2, and several other
applications. It was an MP3000-H50. In the mid 90's, they bought Joy Mining
in Pennsylvania. Joy converted their old 3081 to an Lpar on our
Training employees works when the expectation by both employers and
employees is for career employees. Both sides need to favor the long
term over the short term.
Training a workplace works when expectation by both tax-payers and
tax-beneficiaries is long term. When politicians and voters are
getting off of the mainframe and
saving money. I don't know maybe there is savings after one or two hundred
years.
From:
"Kelman, Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Date:
01/31/2008 12:16 PM
Subject:
Re: Migration from Mainframe to othre platforms - the
alen Juan Guillermo
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:58 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Migration from Mainframe to othre platforms - the othe bell?
>
> Hi,
>
> I am full of reports, sent to Management, about completely succesfull
> conversions from the
Try the following links:
IBM saves $250 million consolidating Linux servers on to mainframes
http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/17998
An article to counterbalance all of those "we're moving off of the
mainframe" stories we see posted here.
http://blog.coleo.com/wp-content/uploads/200
Hi,
I am full of reports, sent to Management, about completely succesfull
conversions from the "old and expensive" "IBM Mainframe to other
platforms. And, as you may know, the most important argument is that the
Mainframe is very expensive and the same level of processing, with the
same degree of
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