Brian Westerman wrote:
I think that might be the best solution. It seems that I will have to keep
track of how much detail I'm inserting into the link, but it seems doable,
Thanks for your idea,
To what or who are you refering?
Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht
Brian Westerman wrote:
That's how I currently send it. Both parts currently contain exactly the same
data (although the HTML one looks nicer), and if the recipient doesn't support
HTML, they only see the TEXT part.
It's probably the best solution for the normal data that gets sent, I think I
In 1672677481329115.wa.brianwestermansyzygyinc@listserv.ua.edu,
on 01/22/2014
at 03:38 AM, Brian Westerman brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com said:
I have handled the HTML/TEXT email stuff, currently I build both
parts of the email, and send it, unless the client site has specified
NOHTML, in
I think that might be the best solution. It seems that I will have to keep
track of how much detail I'm inserting into the link, but it seems doable,
Thanks for your idea,
Brian
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That's how I currently send it. Both parts currently contain exactly the same
data (although the HTML one looks nicer), and if the recipient doesn't support
HTML, they only see the TEXT part.
It's probably the best solution for the normal data that gets sent, I think I
iwll use Tim's
Hi,
The problem with 2000 bytes is that we have no control over the number of steps
in their jobs, and therefore the amount of text that could be necessary.
I have handled the HTML/TEXT email stuff, currently I build both parts of the
email, and send it, unless the client site has specified
In 5888946518314654.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
01/21/2014
at 12:14 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Is message ID specified/required in some
successor to RFC 822?
Even RFC 822 specifies it, under optional fields. In the current
standard, RFC 5322, it says:
3.6.4.
In 0de6a9840123e547b061ac5b6765c026d13...@exmb-05.ad.wsu.edu, on
01/21/2014
at 08:25 AM, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu said:
I guess Outlook and Exchange are not fully functional mail software.
I've seen much harsher judgements of them, starting with b0rken and
going down from there.
--
In 52de617c.2020...@gmail.com, on 01/21/2014
at 08:01 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said:
There are tons of URL safe base64 encoders/decoders out there
He's trying to shorten the URL; BASE64 encoding would lengthen it.
OTOH, I can conceive of situations where BASE64 would be more
Brian,
There's no restriction on the number of Web links you include in your
e-mail. If you need more than ~2000 bytes (compressed/encoded), roll over
to Part 2...Part N links if you wish/need.
the text you reply to (Was: Automatic Job
Ended Email (detail information))
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 21:56:15 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
on 01/20/2014 at 08:30 AM, Gibney, Dave said:
In this particular message, I mean stuff below between starting
0DE6A98401.
That's
On 21/01/2014 2:45 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote:
Robert Rosenberg writes:
There is a limit on how long a URL can be. That type of URL gets long
very fast if you are embedding the actual data into it.
Yes, but staying within 2000 characters is generally regarded as safe,
which is presumably a lot
, January 18, 2014 11:56 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Pleas quote the text you reply to (Was: Automatic Job
Ended Email (detail information))
In 0de6a9840123e547b061ac5b6765c026cee...@exmb-05.ad.wsu.edu, on
01/18/2014
at 02:52 AM, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu said:
Except
Yes, the cost of SMS text for some people is an issue that some of the beta
test people have complained about. They love getting the email and would
really like to also get the SMS text, but some of them have to pay 20 cents per
message, so it can get quite expensive.
Unfortunately, we
In 0de6a9840123e547b061ac5b6765c026d05...@exmb-05.ad.wsu.edu, on
01/20/2014
at 08:30 AM, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu said:
In this particular message, I mean stuff below between starting
0DE6A98401.
That's a message id. Those with fully functional mail software can use
it to search for
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 21:56:15 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
on 01/20/2014 at 08:30 AM, Gibney, Dave said:
In this particular message, I mean stuff below between starting
0DE6A98401.
That's a message id. Those with fully functional mail software can use
it to search for a local
Robert Rosenberg writes:
There is a limit on how long a URL can be. That type of URL gets long
very fast if you are embedding the actual data into it.
Yes, but staying within 2000 characters is generally regarded as safe,
which is presumably a lot for the sort of ancillary data Brian wants to
At 00:45 +0800 on 01/19/2014, Timothy Sipples wrote about Re:
Automatic Job Ended Email (detail information):
If you're planning to insert a Web link in the e-mail -- Click Here for
More Information or similar -- then you can cheat a bit. The URL itself
could contain the extra statistics
to (Was: Automatic Job Ended
Email (detail information))
Ooh, ooh! Now we can fight over top-posting vs. bottom-posting! And
indent(at)ion! And HTML vs plaintext.
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 2:46 AM, Vernooij, CP (SPLXM) - KLM
kees.verno...@klm.com wrote:
Brian, and all who reply only their reply text
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:03 AM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, that's be a nice change...
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Vernooij, CP (SPLXM) - KLM
kees.verno...@klm.com wrote:
You can start your own thread if you like, but let's keep ONE subject per
thread, please.
John,
Rules on the listserv, wow ...
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
On Jan 19, 2014, at 11:14 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:03 AM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, that's be a nice change...
On Sun, Jan 19,
In 0de6a9840123e547b061ac5b6765c026cee...@exmb-05.ad.wsu.edu, on
01/18/2014
at 02:52 AM, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu said:
Except, and pardon my ignorance, I have never been able to follow his
attribution link to anywhere useful.
Do you mean When I cite an RFC, when I give a URL, or when I
In 52d98efa.50...@aim.com, on 01/17/2014
at 01:13 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
*But* leave enough header information (Date: and From:) as
citation so the readercan refer to the full text of the cited
article in the Archives.
Those that care about long established Internet
In
ofbd8bb0dc.d53a-on48257c64.00593e08-48257c64.005c3...@sg.ibm.com,
on 01/19/2014
at 12:45 AM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com said:
If you're planning to insert a Web link in the e-mail -- Click Here
for More Information or similar -- then you can cheat a bit. The
URL itself could
In
cajtoo58mfcezx2tdshvhbt9njz9po+bor-xhwr0crzu7ury...@mail.gmail.com,
on 01/18/2014
at 11:53 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said:
How about a tinyurl style URL with a SMS message to email or twitter.
That still requires the recipient to have a cell phone with SMS
active. In the US
Brian,
If you're planning to insert a Web link in the e-mail -- Click Here for
More Information or similar -- then you can cheat a bit. The URL itself
could contain the extra statistics as parameters. Then, when the user
clicks on the link, the server (z/OS) simply grabs the parameters from the
In 7216707982190237.wa.brianwestermansyzygyinc@listserv.ua.edu,
on 01/16/2014
at 12:57 AM, Brian Westerman brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com said:
Any comments or suggestions?
You can't please everybody, and what please a user in the more common
scenarios might not please him in exceptional
In
CAAJSdjgZ9QWkX4=cZfqBfKfivB33E6Ny=ukd15fc_tvauhq...@mail.gmail.com,
on 01/16/2014
at 07:32 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said:
Not a direct response to your question, but something that has been
running around in my mind lately (lots of room there). Why email?
Because it's
How about a tinyurl style URL with a SMS message to email or twitter.
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
In
CAAJSdjgZ9QWkX4=cZfqBfKfivB33E6Ny=ukd15fc_tvauhq...@mail.gmail.com,
on 01/16/2014
at 07:32 AM, John McKown
I really like that idea. I'm going to try to simulate that one as a test, then
I'll program it if it works out the way I hope it does.
Thank you very much
If you're planning to insert a Web link in the e-mail -- Click Here for
More Information or similar -- then you can cheat a bit. The
I have to agree with you that some people will hate it no matter which choice
we take, but I think that in this case, providing information that would be
usable only in some cases is preferable.
one thing that I had not considered previously is that I know (programatically)
what the condition
CAAJSdjgZ9QWkX4=cZfqBfKfivB33E6Ny=ukd15fc_tvauhq...@mail.gmail.com,
on 01/16/2014
at 07:32 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said:
Not a direct response to your question, but something that has been
running around in my mind lately (lots of room there). Why email?
There are several
Sounds good. In addition to CPU and wall time for the job, step times and
waits, especially enque and resource waits are useful too.
Linda
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 15, 2014, at 10:57 PM, Brian Westerman brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com
wrote:
Hi,
We are testing our SyzMail product that
Maye would be interesting to know how the young people would like
to be notified (Email ? Twitter ? Facebook ? ) if something happens.
Old timers are sitting by the TSO and pressing the ENTER for the SDSF DA
again and again.
On 16.01.2014 07:57, Brian Westerman wrote:
Hi,
We are testing
I'm not sure how I would separate out the enqueue and resource waits at job end
time, that information is not as readily available so the overhead might be
noticeable to get at it. It's kind of out of scope for this type of product.
The way the product works, I can generate the MaxCC at job
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Date: 01/17/2014 04:04 AM
Subject:Re: Automatic Job Ended Email (detail information)
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Maye would be interesting to know how the young people would like
to be notified (Email ? Twitter
Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf
Of Nathan J Pfister
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 13:23
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Automatic Job Ended Email (detail information)
I, being younger than most I work with (26), would honestly prefer SMS
notificationswhich
: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
Behalf Of Brian Westerman
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 08:03
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Now that's an interesting idea that I had not considered completely
On 2014-01-17 13:04, zMan wrote:
Ooh, ooh! Now we can fight over top-posting vs. bottom-posting! And
indent(at)ion! And HTML vs plaintext.
Hasn't LISTSERV settled by fiat the HTML question?
I post responses close to and following the quoted text.
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 2:46 AM, Vernooij,
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:13:46 -0700, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
In the case of this reply, I have no idea what the interesting idea was.
Please quote the text you are referring to.
Also, trim stale text, LISTSERV footers and legal disclaimers.
*But* leave enough header information (Date: and From:)
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On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 3:58 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Pleas quote the text you reply to (Was: Automatic Job Ended
Email (detail
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Brian Westerman
brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com wrote:
Hi,
We are testing our SyzMail product that provides for the sending of email
when a task (JOB STC or TSO user) ends that contains all of the normal
stuff you would expect to see (maxCC, stepCCs, programs
. IMHO unless it's a
deluge, more information is better than less.
Peter
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Of Brian Westerman
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:58 AM
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Subject: Automatic Job Ended
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf
Of John McKown
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:33 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Automatic Job Ended Email (detail information)
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Brian Westerman
brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com wrote:
Hi,
We are testing our SyzMail product
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Farley, Peter x23353
peter.far...@broadridge.com wrote:
John, here I have to disagree with you. I don't tweet, and do not see any
useful function that Twitter provides over email. Email is not necessarily
wordy, and I have not observed it being slow to
On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 16:45 +0100, Vernooij, CP (SPLXM) - KLM wrote:
I am afraid this thread has the potential of becoming one of those
famous IBM-MAIN threads: ask a simple question and a couple of
technicians convert it into a huge, unmanageable and unrealizable
project ;-)
And here I go,
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Automatic Job Ended Email (detail information)
Hi,
We are testing our SyzMail product that provides for the sending of email when
a task (JOB STC or TSO user) ends that contains all of the normal stuff you
would expect to see (maxCC, stepCCs, programs used, etc.) and I was thinking
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:21 AM, David Andrews d...@lists.duda.com wrote:
And here I go, doing my part!
Peter points out that Unusually long or short times are both a
legitimate cause for further investigation. I agree. So let's ask
Brian not to bother us unless the times are unusually
On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 10:30 -0600, John McKown wrote:
And my even more OT digression: an article on not using standard
deviation as a measure
http://www.edge.org/response-detail/25401
I saw this on HN yesterday, where the comments were generally unkind.
Statistics is not my forte but I've
List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
On Behalf Of Brian Westerman
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:58 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Automatic Job Ended Email (detail information)
Hi,
We are testing our SyzMail product that provides for the sending of email
when a task (JOB
Hi John,
We support sending the email data to smart phones (or dumb ones also I guess)
as an SMS text message, which I think is a lot easier to deal with than the
twitter feed, but I understand what you were getting at.
Brian
Okay,
So here are the options that they have a problem with me including:
Step CPU (TCB) time
Step CPU (SRB) time
Step i/o's (as EXCP's)
Step wall clock time
Step region size (used)
Step paging/swaps
I understand that providing EXCP's for individual DD's might be a bit much, but
basically I
Well, in this case the project is just about complete, it's in beta right now,
and I was about to release the final cut (which had the extended step
information in it), when one of the marketing people made a stink about the
messiness.
It turned out that he was looking at the information in a
Now that's an interesting idea that I had not considered completely before. I
could create a link into the email that would allow the user to obtain the data
from somewhere else within the z/OS system.
One of the options I thought about adding originally was the ability to log all
of this
Actually, most of the people here think that no one will go past the subject of
the email. It contains the task name, the maxcc (or abend) and the system it
ran on, similar to the one that goes out to the NOTIFY under TSO, but will a
little bit more information.
The original plan was to just
Hi
If requested, we send a small Email to the user with a link to the
WEB page , there he can see the details of the job.
On 16.01.2014 07:57, Brian Westerman wrote:
Hi,
We are testing our SyzMail product that provides for the sending of email when a task
(JOB STC or TSO user) ends
: Automatic Job Ended Email (detail information)
Okay,
So here are the options that they have a problem with me including:
Step CPU (TCB) time
Step CPU (SRB) time
Step i/o's (as EXCP's)
Step wall clock time
Step region size (used)
Step paging/swaps
I understand that providing EXCP's
was. Please
quote the text you are referring to.
Thanks,
Kees.
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Of Brian Westerman
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 08:03
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Automatic Job Ended Email
Hi,
We are testing our SyzMail product that provides for the sending of email when
a task (JOB STC or TSO user) ends that contains all of the normal stuff you
would expect to see (maxCC, stepCCs, programs used, etc.) and I was thinking
that it would be great to provide the execution time (both
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