Todd Burrell | Sr. IT Systems Engineer | Mainframe
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Jack Zukt
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 6:02 AM
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Subject: Re: Finding uncatalogued datasets
Nope, that is not the original problem.
What
Hello,
Thank you all again for your time and suggestions to help me.
I finally came up with a working solution that may need some fine tuning
but,so far, it seems to do what I need:
STEP 1: DCOLLECT for all the online volumes to WK0
STEP 2: SORT of WK0 to WK1 with DSN; VOLSER, STG-GRP NAME; ALLOC
Nope, that is not the original problem.
What happened was that when I was working through a list of datasets that
have not been used for over a year, I found out that some of those files
were not catalogued. As those are (were) SMS managed datasets, this should
not happen.
The user catalogs are
Do you need to worry about data sets cataloged in a user catalog, but the
user catalog is not connected to the master catalog - or is this part of
your original problem?
Colin
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Thanks Sebastian
I was not aware of this feature. I am going to explore it
Regards
Jack
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 at 07:45, Sebastian Welton wrote:
> I'm just wondering if NaviQuest might help here:
>
> DFSMS NaviQuest is a data and storage management tool for implementing,
> testing, and verifying
I'm just wondering if NaviQuest might help here:
DFSMS NaviQuest is a data and storage management tool for implementing,
testing, and verifying the SMS environment. NaviQuest is installed under the
Interactive Storage Management Facility (ISMF) Primary Option Menu and uses the
standard
Hi Jack.
I'm going thru a similar process, although with a much smaller number of
volumes. ADRDSSU also allows you to specify STORGRP instead of the volser:
DUMP OUTDD(BUFILE) STORGRP(MACS)-
DATASET(INCLUDE(**,-
USERCAT.MACK01 -
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Hi,
In this SYSPLEX all user catalo
Hi David,
Thank you for the alert.
I still have not ruled out the CBT112 VTOC command. As a matter of fact, I
already have downloaded it but am still going through the notes.
Regards
Jack
On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 at 14:09, David Spiegel wrote:
> Hi Jack,
> What will happen (with your proposed
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> ADRDSSU MOVE can scan volumes for uncatalogued datasets and MOVE the to a
> sequential dataset, o
Hi Jack,
What will happen (with your proposed solution) if you have Dataset A.B
Cataloged to ABC123 and also present on ABC124, or, Dataset ABC
Cataloged to ABC123, but, present only on ABC124?
I do not want to sound like a broken record, but,. the VTOC Command
Processor (CBT File 112) can
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ADRDSSU MOVE can scan volumes for uncatalogued datasets and MOVE the to a
sequential dataset
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Hi all,
Thank you all for all of your suggestions so far.
After one weekend with everything working in the background I came up with
an idea for a new approach.
I have the DCOLLECT output with all the formatted data records or the file
treated by DFSORT with only the dataset names and a few extra
Hi,
Thank you for the suggestion.
At this point in time, I only have access to IBM software
Regards
Jack
On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 at 09:17, Alain Benvéniste wrote:
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> Le 25 juil. 2022 à 10:13, Jack Zukt a écrit :
>
> Hi,
> Thank you for your input. Using DFDSS like that would be an option.
> However, there are over eight
Hi,
Thank you for your input. Using DFDSS like that would be an option.
However, there are over eight thousand volumes in this system and that
would be a lot of JOBs. I thought about submitting one JOB for each Storage
Group but that would mean too many DD for most of the JOBs.
Regards
Jack
On
This is what I'd use, shown for a single volume:
//UNCAT EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU,PARM='TYPRUN=NORUN'
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSINDD *
COPY -
DATASET( INCLUDE (**)) -
LOGINDYNAM(volser) -
BY (CATLG,EQ,NO) -
DELETE
/*
The parm setting lets you see what it would do if you unleash it.
ALOG.USER1.SYSPLEXD
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Subject: Re: Finding uncatalogued datasets
Hi David,
One problem ... If you use ISPF 3.4 to search (masked) VOLSERs, yo
Sorry, I should have double checked. It's been years since I've had to do
it. And it's Sunday. Yes COPY DELETE is correct.
On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 4:18 PM David Spiegel
wrote:
> Hi John,
> "...ADRDSSU MOVE..." There is no such verb.
> Maybe you mean COPY ... DELETE?
>
> Regards,
> David
>
> On
Hi John,
"...ADRDSSU MOVE..." There is no such verb.
Maybe you mean COPY ... DELETE?
Regards,
David
On 2022-07-24 17:03, John McKown wrote:
ADRDSSU MOVE can scan volumes for uncatalogued datasets and MOVE the to a
sequential dataset, or just DD DUMMY. It doesn't care what the DSN is, even
if
ADRDSSU MOVE can scan volumes for uncatalogued datasets and MOVE the to a
sequential dataset, or just DD DUMMY. It doesn't care what the DSN is, even
if it has abnormal byte values in the name.
On Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 14:29 David Staudacher wrote:
> Jack Zukt wrote: "I would prefer a more
nput to do a del or del nscr
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> If there are, I have not found the
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 9:48 AM
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If there are, I have not found them. But I know that I may be looking at this
the wrong way, hence the request for your help.
I have been reading over the DCOLLECT data record type manual
to do a del or del nscr
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If there are, I have not found them. But I know that I may be looking
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Jack Zukt wrote: "I would prefer a more standard approach if I could find one".
What you need is something that can dig out all the DSCBs from every VTOC of
every online DASD device and sum these into a Data S
xisting SAMPLIB members
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Saturday, July 23, 2022 5:18 AM
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> Thank you all for your input.
> Regarding the last comments, my problem is that I have found multiple "SMS"
> uncatalogued datasets. A few are rolled out GD
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Thank you all for your input.
Regarding the last comments, my problem is that I have found multiple "SMS"
uncatalogued datasets. A few are rolled out GD
Hi Mike,
What if you ...
1) Restore an old backup copy of a Catalog?
2) Do a DELETE dsname NOSCRATCH?
Regards,
David
On 2022-07-22 19:08, Mike Schwab wrote:
SMS storage groups can't have uncataloged data sets, so you can
eliminate those volumes.
On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 9:01 AM Jack Zukt
Mike Schwab wrote (suggesting a solution for available space estimate):
"I did a DCOLECT to list all volumes then added up the space totals in the
records.
Of course it is a multiple of K, so you are missing tiny amount of space on
every volume".
There's a macro called LSPACE which sounds
On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 11:10:56 -0400, Mike Shaw wrote:
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>MVS/QuickRef will give you a list of the uncataloged data sets across all
>your online DASD volumes, with one batch job, and you don't need to code
>any DD statements.
>
>Mike Shaw
>MVS/QuickRef Support Group
>Chicago-Soft, Ltd.
>
When I was
I did a DCOLECT to list all volumes then added up the space totals in
the records. Of course it is a multiple of K, so you are missing tiny
amount of space on every volume.
On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 2:29 PM David Staudacher wrote:
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> Jack Zukt wrote: "I would prefer a more standard approach if I
Jack Zukt wrote: "I would prefer a more standard approach if I could find one".
What you need is something that can dig out all the DSCBs from every VTOC of
every online DASD device and sum these into a Data Set list.
I happen to have an Assembler program which does just that, if you'd like to
y, Dave
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> SMS shouldn't have uncataloged datasets. In reality, there are ways... All
> of which should be considered an error.
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SMS shouldn't have uncataloged datasets. In reality, there are ways... All
SMS volumes from such a search.
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> SMS storage grou
SMS storage groups can't have uncataloged data sets, so you can
eliminate those volumes.
On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 9:01 AM Jack Zukt wrote:
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> Hi all,
> As a byproduct of what I am working now, I have found out a few
> uncatalogued datasets. Now I would like to find out all the uncatalogued
>
Sorry, meant to say DcOLLECT and LISTCATs merged to determine those
not cataloged?
At 12:21 PM 7/22/2022, Michael Oujesky wrote:
Have you had a look at DCOLLECT data?
Michael
At 09:00 AM 7/22/2022, Jack Zukt wrote:
Hi all,
As a byproduct of what I am working now, I have found out a few
Have you had a look at DCOLLECT data?
Michael
At 09:00 AM 7/22/2022, Jack Zukt wrote:
Hi all,
As a byproduct of what I am working now, I have found out a few
uncatalogued datasets. Now I would like to find out all the uncatalogued
datasets that are forgotten on the hundred of volumes that are
ne pool where I
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Hi Mike,
So will The VTOC Command Processor (CBT File 112) and it's free.
Not only that, but VTOC an also show incorrectly Cataloged Datasets
(with the same Job).
Regards,
David
On 2022-07-22 11:10, Mike Shaw wrote:
Jack,
MVS/QuickRef will give you a list of the uncataloged data sets across
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Hello,
Thank you all for your suggestions. I will begin by trying DFDSS as
suggested by Kolosu, as I have not tried like that. If it works as I need,
it will be the more standard approach, which is what I am looking for. If
that will not work, than I will have a go with the CBT.
I will keep you
gt; not cataloged by design.
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temporary datasets, restricted to one pool where I work, are not
cataloged by design.
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Jack,
MVS/QuickRef will give you a list of the uncataloged data sets across all
your online DASD volumes, with one batch job, and you don't need to code
any DD statements.
Mike Shaw
MVS/QuickRef Support Group
Chicago-Soft, Ltd.
On Fri, Jul 22, 2022, 10:00 AM Jack Zukt wrote:
> Hi all,
> As a
>> Using ADRDDSU and (CATLG EQ NO) is not an option as it would need a DD
Jack,
Not sure what you tried, but you can try the DUMP command with TYPRUN=NORUN so
that you can see the list of datasets that will processed.
Try this
//GENLIST EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU,PARM='TYPRUN=NORUN'
//SYSPRINT DD
Hi Jack,
The VTOC Command Processor (CBT File 112).
If you install it, I can supply JCL to do this.
Regards,
David
On 2022-07-22 10:00, Jack Zukt wrote:
Hi all,
As a byproduct of what I am working now, I have found out a few
uncatalogued datasets. Now I would like to find out all the
Hi all,
As a byproduct of what I am working now, I have found out a few
uncatalogued datasets. Now I would like to find out all the uncatalogued
datasets that are forgotten on the hundred of volumes that are out there.
Using ADRDDSU and (CATLG EQ NO) is not an option as it would need a DD
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