Re: Interpreting Trace

2008-07-23 Thread Rob van der Heij
Without having any knowledge about either the device or CP... and no doubt this is obvious to most, but may be confusing for some. The two highlighted phrases are not related. The "invalid address" is from the trace itself. It is normal to have the 07 and 0F with a data length 1, but CP concludes t

Re: 3590 tape drive support Z/VM

2008-07-23 Thread R. Khalid
Need some help that how to to use ATL 3590 for VM volume back up. Regards

Re: downloading CMS files

2008-07-23 Thread pdowns
My personal recommendation is Filezilla. Go to sourceforge.net. It's open source, free, no commercial licensing restrictions (oh, and it works very well). With over 41,000,000 downloads at sourceforge alone, you can see it is well endorsed. Pat Downs -Original Message- From: The IBM z/

Moving SFS user

2008-07-23 Thread Mary Zervos
I need to move our one and only SFS user from a z/VM 4.4 system to a z/VM 5.3 system on a new mainframe. The quickest way I can see?.Fileserv backup the VMSYSU file pool and send the file from the old VMSERVU 305 (data disk) to the new VMSERVU user 305. Sound right? Thanks, Mary Zervos VM

Re: Moving SFS user

2008-07-23 Thread Dave de Noronha
Mary, If you have VMBACKUP then use that to restore the User to the new system...it will restore all data, authorisations etc...I have used it ma ny times to restore whole filespaces when consolidating SG2 and never had a problem

Re: Moving SFS user

2008-07-23 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Mary Zervos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I need to move our one and only SFS user from a z/VM 4.4 system > to a z/VM 5.3 system on a new mainframe. The quickest > way I can see?.Fileserv backup the VMSYSU file pool and > send the file from the old VMSERVU 305

Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z

2008-07-23 Thread Hilliard, Chris
I have a NCC account and am able to log onto that just fine. For some reason it just won't download the ISO files (neither SP1 nor SP2). When I click the download button it downloads a file of 0 bytes. When I use FlashGet, that's where I see the authorization error. I can download the other rel

Re: Moving SFS user

2008-07-23 Thread Mary Zervos
Dave, Thanks for your idea but we do not have VMBACKUP. Mary Dave de Noronha wrote: Mary, If you have VMBACKUP then use that to restore the User to the new system...it will restore all data, authorisations etc...I have used it many times to restore whole filespaces when consolidating SG2 and ne

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture - NOT.

2008-07-23 Thread Barton Robinson
Ok, so reality check folks before y'all start drooling about jobs and can think you can run 47000 windows servers under VM. In Linux we learned that running compiled code "natively" on "z", megahertz is megahertz and a CPU intensive task would always run faster on Intel than on "z" (until we go

Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z

2008-07-23 Thread David Boyes
> Samples are just that, samples, not Holy Writ from ${DIETY}. You can, of > course, choose to do anything you like. Well, as the author, I rather like the idea of saying "let us turn to chapter 2 of the Gospel of Installation"... 8-) YMMV. The idea with the 15x separation was to have a smal

Re: 3590 tape drive support Z/VM

2008-07-23 Thread Peter . Webb
Could you please provide more information about what you would like help with. The topic is rather broad; do you need assistance with the hardware, the tape manager, or the backup software? Peter -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Dirmaint New Install Testing Question.

2008-07-23 Thread Howard Rifkind
We just activated Dirmaint and gone thru the first section of the Dirmaint program directory and are up to the point of testing the installation. I have completed the testing of Dirmaint which looks O.K. The Testing the Installation procedure now takes you on to verifying DIRMSAT and DATAMOVE

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture - NOT.

2008-07-23 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
Gary, if it runs native windows, will it also then run x86 linux? That seems to be one of the barriers for us, that z/linux may not support certain x86 linux applications. Thanks, Mary Anne > Gary M. Dennis wrote: > > Z/VOS is a CMS application. The glass-side user will only see Windows via >> R

Re: Dirmaint New Install Testing Question.

2008-07-23 Thread Scott Rohling
No you don't have to worry about DIRMSAT for sure.. DATAMOVE only if you want DIRMAINT to copy/resize/clean disks for you.. (I recommend DATAMOVE!) Scott Rohling On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Howard Rifkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We just activated Dirmaint and gone thru the first sect

Z/VOS - separate topic for MS Windows in CMS

2008-07-23 Thread Bob Heerdink
I just wanted to more clearly define this exciting topic per Gary Dennis "In Q1 2009 Mantissa will deliver a system that permits unaltered Windows operating systems to run under z/VM." I'm keenly interested is an understatement, Bob

Re: Interpreting Trace

2008-07-23 Thread Schuh, Richard
Thank, Alan. Your analysis confirms my faded memories of the channel and device protocols. I will pass the information on. Actually, there is no BOT and there is no tape. The vendor chose to reply like a tape drive to the roll-call for reasons unknown to me. I speculate that it is because tape u

Re: Interpreting Trace

2008-07-23 Thread Mike Walter
Say... could it be that the virtualized silver tape reflector fell off the beginning or end of the virtualized tape? And are you sure that the virtualized silver tape reflector is on opposite edges of the shiny surface of the virtualized tape media? I can't remember which edge gets the leadin

Re: Interpreting Trace

2008-07-23 Thread Schuh, Richard
I don't want our hardware folks to have to go into the bay and turn the device around or use a twisted pair to connect it. :-) Alan, When you said the error is being raised by path 2 to the device, were you referring to a chpid? The response to a query paths command shows only one path. Reg

Re: Interpreting Trace

2008-07-23 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Mike Walter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Say... could it be that the virtualized silver tape reflector fell off the > beginning or end of the virtualized tape? And are you sure that the > virtualized silver tape reflector is on opposite edges of the shiny surface

Re: Z/VOS - separate topic for MS Windows in CMS

2008-07-23 Thread Howard Rifkind
Me too...but don't ask why??? Do you know if there will be a free eval available? How do we get our hands on a copy? T.Y. >>> Bob Heerdink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7/23/2008 10:25 AM >>> I just wanted to more clearly define this exciting topic per Gary Dennis = "In Q1 2009 Mantissa will deliver

Re: Dirmaint New Install Testing Question.

2008-07-23 Thread Howard Rifkind
T.Y. >>> Scott Rohling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7/23/2008 10:08 AM >>> No you don't have to worry about DIRMSAT for sure.. DATAMOVE only if you want DIRMAINT to copy/resize/clean disks for you.. (I recommend DATAMOVE!) Scott Rohling On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Howard Rifkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Interpreting Trace

2008-07-23 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 07/23/2008 at 11:24 EDT, "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, there is no BOT and there is no tape. The vendor chose to > reply like a tape drive to the roll-call for reasons unknown to me. I > speculate that it is because tape units can be written to and read fro

Re: Interpreting Trace

2008-07-23 Thread Mike Rydberg
Richard, Perhaps the DETACH command with the LEAVE option might avoid the REWIND/UNLOAD problem with this device. Mike Rydberg Brocade -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:23 AM To:

Re: Interpreting Trace

2008-07-23 Thread Mike Walter
But Sir Rob the Plumber, even the old 3420 drives had internal incandescent lights in the tape path to shine on the reflector. No need for external light to reflect on the strip! One might only presume that the hardware manufacturer of this pseudo virtualized tape drive has installed virtualiz

Re: Interpreting Trace

2008-07-23 Thread Schuh, Richard
It is not a tape at all. Neither is it a disk. It is an encryption device that responds to sense commands like it is a tape unit. A bit of history of the device * Generation 1 was parallel channel connected. It required an RDEVICE statement saying that it was a 3420 model 7. When one was detache

Re: Interpreting Trace

2008-07-23 Thread Schuh, Richard
I had considered it, but there are two problems: 1. Logoff (voluntarily or by FORCE) goes through the DETACH code without LEAVE 2. DETACH ... LEAVE requires Class B. Regards, Richard Schuh > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Be

Re: Interpreting Trace

2008-07-23 Thread Schuh, Richard
The earliest generation, the 3420-07, used the virtualized lights. I think it was really old vacuum tubes from the 30 minute rewind time. They had to warm up before there was enough light to be detected. ;-) The newest generation is said to be a 3490. However, its responses to SenseId and RDC mak

Re: Interpreting Trace

2008-07-23 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 07/23/2008 at 11:46 EDT, "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alan, When you said the error is being raised by path 2 to the device, were > you referring to a chpid? The response to a query paths command shows only > one path. I think that's the local "adapter" numbe

Re: Interpreting Trace

2008-07-23 Thread Schuh, Richard
I hope it means something to the vendor. Regards, Richard Schuh > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:37 AM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: Interpreting Trace >

Re: Interpreting Trace

2008-07-23 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 07/23/2008 at 11:47 EDT, Rob van der Heij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But Sir Mike! The modern 3480 cartridge does not do shiny bits > anymore. After all, the cartridge is closed so there is no light that > will go in to shine ;-) The control unit is smart enough to count the > o

Re: Z/VOS - separate topic for MS Windows in CMS

2008-07-23 Thread Bob Heerdink
Please see original thread: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture This was our post to the zd net blog. "Maybe we already have. In Q1 2009 Mantissa will deliver a system that permits unaltered Windows operating systems to run under z/VM. Using a desktop appliance running RD C, u

Re: Moving SFS user

2008-07-23 Thread Sue Farrell
To be more explicit, the command is FILEPOOL UNLOAD. From a SFS administrator id, assuming "JOEUSER" is the file space you w ant to move, access the 193 disk and issue - FILEDEF UNLOAD DISK JOEUSER UNLOAD where is large enough to contain the file space - FILEPOOL UNLOAD FILESPACE JOEUSER VMS

OT: Use of surfstats etc on IBM web sites

2008-07-23 Thread Rob van der Heij
Am I the only one being annoyed by the way IBM implemented their visitor statistics? There seem to be (javascript) things connecting to sites with surfstats and such. At least on my browser (Mozilla) they have a negative effect that it prevents navigation on the page until it has fully loaded. My i

Re: Size of SFS control backup

2008-07-23 Thread Sue Farrell
I'm a little late to this discussion, but there are a couple things I wanted to respond to: > Thanks! That explains why I filled it up and how big it should be. Did > I miss it, or is it really not in book? > -Rob There is a section titled "DASD Space Needed for Control Data Backup" in Chapter

Re: Size of SFS control backup

2008-07-23 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 07/22/2008 at 02:30 EDT, Rob van der Heij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Rob van der Heij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The description of this process does not look like it was for production use. > > Maybe we need SFS to be enhanced to access the

Re: Use of surfstats etc on IBM web sites

2008-07-23 Thread Schuh, Richard
Is it 1987 again? I presume that this was not someone at the VM Support center. In case you were not around in 1987, it was the year that John Akers declared to be "the year of the customer"; however, he failed to communicate that to some of his employees. It wasn't until 1988 or 1989 that the ans

Hipersocket Capacity

2008-07-23 Thread Steve Mitchell
How does one go about determining the 'capacity' of a Hipersocket connection/interface between z/OS- z/VM? Steve Mitchell Sr Systems Software Specialist Blue Cross Blue Shield of Kansas (785) 291-8885 'There are no degrees of Honesty-you're either Honest or you're not! CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-23 Thread Rick Troth
I also find (aside from where Tom's suggestion is needed) that it is helpful for the VMID of the SFS server to match the name of the filepool it serves. -- R; <><

Re: Hipersocket Capacity

2008-07-23 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 07/23/2008 at 02:59 EDT, Steve Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How does one go about determining the 'capacity' of a Hipersocket > connection/interface between z/OS- z/VM? Measure it. It is a function of CPU. I don't know if sub-cap machines run HiperSockets at full speed o

Re: Hipersocket Capacity

2008-07-23 Thread Steve Mitchell
Measure it. It is a function of CPU. Where might I find some guidance on how to accomplish that? In Therory "I understand what you are expressing" In Practice "I dont have much of a clue about how to go about it". Steve Mitchell Sr Systems Software Specialist Blue Cross Blue Shield of Kansas (

Re: Hipersocket Capacity

2008-07-23 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 3:07 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: Hipersocket Capacity > > On Wednesday, 07/23/2008 at 02:59 EDT, Steve Mitchell > <[EMAIL

Re: Interpreting Trace

2008-07-23 Thread Schuh, Richard
Thanks to your excellent interpretation of the trace, the vendor has re-examined their microcode and found where they were indeed causing the UC. They are working on a fix. (And they once told me that the TRSOURCE and console were not useful in solving this problem. Out of nothing comes something.)

Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z

2008-07-23 Thread Austin, Alyce (CIV)
We are running 8.2 in 64-bit with SP3. However, I plan on installing SLES 10 SP2 under z/VM 5.3 as a new install. Thanks, Alyce -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:51 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSE

Re: Hipersocket Capacity

2008-07-23 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 07/23/2008 at 04:15 EDT, "McKown, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just some thoughts on this. From what I understand, a hipersocket is > really a way to "move" data from one memory location in one LPAR to > another memory location on another LPAR in the same CEC. Or to the same

Re: Interpreting Trace

2008-07-23 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 07/23/2008 at 04:22 EDT, "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks to your excellent interpretation of the trace, the vendor has > re-examined their microcode and found where they were indeed causing the > UC. They are working on a fix. (And they once told me that the TRSO

Re: Use of surfstats etc on IBM web sites

2008-07-23 Thread Gregg C Levine
Hello! Rob, it happens that you are not the only one who is annoyed by those dratted things. They make the site unavailable during loading when it's being loaded by IE, and it drags on Mozilla, both on Linux and Windows. About the only good thing about the site is its good lucks, it has an easy to

Re: Size of SFS control backup

2008-07-23 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Sue Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can direct the control data backup to another file pool using the > explicit directory name and thus, avoid the access, and the problem of the > access going away. > Eg. fileserv defbackup disk backup data fpname:usernam

Re: Size of SFS control backup

2008-07-23 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Alan Altmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Use an ENDCMD nucleus extension to check for and re-access any missing > directories. You mean in the SFS server to catch it when it falls in CMS Ready ? Yuck. And it's way more useful than just there. When we ran CMS ap

Re: Size of SFS control backup

2008-07-23 Thread Schuh, Richard
This does beg the question, is there any significant performance difference when writing to the filemode vs. writing to an unaccessed directory? Regards, Richard Schuh > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob van der He

Re: Hipersocket Capacity

2008-07-23 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Steve Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Measure it. It is a function of CPU. > > Where might I find some guidance on how to accomplish that? In Therory "I > understand what you are expressing" In Practice "I dont have much of a > clue about how to go about i

Re: Hipersocket Capacity

2008-07-23 Thread Mark Wheeler
> > Reminds me of the customer who measured the OSA bandwidth by copying > the ISO image from one Linux machine to the other with "scp" (burning > his shared IFL by encrypting and decrypting the file). > That's how one Linux (on Intel) expert "proved" to management that "hipersockets are slower th

SHARE: Last call for session chairs

2008-07-23 Thread Rich Smrcina
SHARE in San Jose is getting very close. There are still plenty of sessions that are in need of chairs. We can really use your help to step up to volunteer. Your job is to meet the speaker (if you haven't already), introduce the speaker to the audience, keep discussions on topic, count atten

Re: PIPELINES and Deblocking(Cross posted in CMSPIPELINES Listserve)

2008-07-23 Thread Alan Ackerman
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:25:53 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ftware.com> wrote: >Jim, > >it looks like you have a Mac user to deal witharen't they a pain? :- ) > >Windows record termination: x'0d0a' >Unix record termination: x'0a' >Mac record termination: x'0d' > And, of course, m

Re: PIPELINES and Deblocking(Cross posted in CMSPIPELINES Listserve)

2008-07-23 Thread Alan Ackerman
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:52:54 -0400, Hughes, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr ote: >Adam is pretty sensitive isn't he? > >I wish someone would create a WHOPPER to compete with a MAC. > >There is hope for the MAC users yet. The hackers have decided there are >enough MAC's around to start creating virus