Re: IBM DS6800 caching

2009-07-29 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Tom Duerbuschduerbus...@stlouiscity.com wrote: Can cache be turned off for a volume on the DS6800? I don't think so.  But I would like to confirm that. I believe it's up to the device to decide what to do with the cache bits in the channel program. Since it

Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9

2009-07-29 Thread Dave Wade
-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: 29 July 2009 02:26 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9 On Jul 28, 2009, at 6:32 PM, John McKown wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009,

Force user into dispach

2009-07-29 Thread Berry van Sleeuwen
Hello listers, We have received a fixtest from IBM for testing but we need to recreate t he problem on our test environment. So far we did not succeed in recreating the problem. As it turns out we need to get one or more users into the dispac h queue without using CPU cycles. The problem on our

Re: Force user into dispach

2009-07-29 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Berry van Sleeuwenberry.vansleeu...@xs4all.nl wrote: We have received a fixtest from IBM for testing but we need to recreate the problem on our test environment. So far we did not succeed in recreating the problem. As it turns out we need to get one or more

Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9

2009-07-29 Thread Edward M Martin
Hello Adam, I can say that I was told, in no uncertain terms, from IBM that it is illegal to run VM/ESA and up under Hercules. That was a while back, and things may have changed but I have never seen anything to the contrary. Hey, IBM what is your stand on Hercules? Ed

Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Thornton
On Jul 29, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Edward M Martin wrote: Hello Adam, I can say that I was told, in no uncertain terms, from IBM that it is illegal to run VM/ESA and up under Hercules. That was a while back, and things may have changed but I have never seen anything to the contrary.

Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9

2009-07-29 Thread Adam Thornton
On Jul 29, 2009, at 1:50 AM, Dave Wade wrote: I seem to recall it being mentioned somewhere that after the PSI debacle IBM amended the license terms to specifically prohibit the use of zVM under Emulation of any kind thus closing this loophole. Even if it's on the same processor? That

Re: Message DTCSTM025I

2009-07-29 Thread Miguel Delapaz
Richard, The telnet server tried to send something out of connection 100, but the connection was not in a state that was valid for sending data. Based on the DTCSTM126I message, I would assume the connection was in the process of closing when the telnet server tried the send. Determining what

Re: DISCONNECT/LOGOFF HOLD

2009-07-29 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 07/29/2009 at 09:13 EDT, Buettner, Wolfgang wolfgang.buett...@softwareag.com wrote: Is there a way to make the HOLD operand default for use with certain LDEV servers? In our case it is desired that TELNET sessions to certain TCP/IP server virtual machines does not get lost after

Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9

2009-07-29 Thread Edward M Martin
Hello Adam, I was part of the developers group. I thought it was neat that you could. But there were some major problems running Hercules-VM/ESA-VSE/ESA. I did learn lots. But IBM was extremely hostile. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-363-5050 ext 35050 -Original

Re: Where is z/VM CSE

2009-07-29 Thread Jim Elliott, IBM
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:51:19 -0600, sunny...@wcb.ab.ca wrote: I did reseach. But can't figure out where we can get it. q product on z/Vm. I only see 5VMRSC30 disable. Does CSE have to be purchused ? Thanks! Sunny Hu Sunny: As your IBM System z rep, we need to have a discussion on this

Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9

2009-07-29 Thread Jim Elliott, IBM
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:03:59 +1000, Graeme Moss ib...@mossaustralia.com wrote: The company I work for is very tight with money (eg they don't pay me wh at I would like to receive) and the section I work for (Software Factory) onl y gets hand-me-down mainframes. I can see the situation arising

Re: RSU 0902

2009-07-29 Thread Mike Walter
How do I continue? That depends entirely upon the success/failure of SERVICE. Did you look in the $VMFSRV $MSGLOG A1 file for any errors? (The newest entries are at the top). Did you look at every * $MSGLOG A file that is newer than the VMFSRV $MSGLOG A (i.e. those that were created as

Re: Where is z/VM CSE

2009-07-29 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Jim Elliott, IBMjelli...@gdlvm7.vnet.ibm.com wrote: As your IBM System z rep, we need to have a discussion on this before you proceed to look into using CSE. Send me a note (off-list) with some times you are available (say on Friday this week?) and we can talk.

Re: Is it bad to make one zlinux running on 2 z/vm?

2009-07-29 Thread RPN01
Exactly what business problem are you trying to address by doing this? Compare what you're doing to an Intel world implementation. Would you ever place two Intel boxes sharing disk, and with no knowledge of each other, side by side, and boot both systems from the same root disk? What results

Re: IBM DS6800 caching

2009-07-29 Thread Tom Duerbusch
Why I would want to? I wouldn't. However, CA is saying that the root cause of our DYNAM catalog corruption is caching. Where I can see if some VSE systems are accessing the DYNAM catalog thru some sort of cache while other systems are notbig problem here. But single VM system with MDC

Re: IBM DS6800 caching

2009-07-29 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 07/29/2009 at 11:52 EDT, Tom Duerbusch duerbus...@stlouiscity.com wrote: However, CA is saying that the root cause of our DYNAM catalog corruption is caching. Not impossible, of course, but highly unlikely. If all I/O is coming down the same chpid from the same VM system,

Re: IBM DS6800 caching

2009-07-29 Thread Tom Duerbusch
Been in VM waaay to long to do the duplicate minidisk problem G. All my shared minidisks are owned by user $SHRDASD. Everyone else links. And when I have a second level VM system, there is no MDC on the second level system. Since VSE can't run on an IFL, there is also no sharing across LPARs.

Re: IBM DS6800 caching

2009-07-29 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Tom Duerbuschduerbus...@stlouiscity.com wrote: Why I would want to?  I wouldn't. However, CA is saying that the root cause of our DYNAM catalog corruption is caching. I am grateful that my most intimate recollections about DYNAM-T are paged out.. But from the

Re: IBM DS6800 caching

2009-07-29 Thread Dieltiens Geert
Tom, FWIW, we too had a corrupt Dynam 7.0 catalog, in 2005. First, we got the advise from CA about not using caching/MDC for Dynam catalog MDISKs and like you I had my doubts about it but just to be on the safe side I coded NOMDC for the MDISK for the Dynam catalog in the production VM. But

Re: IBM DS6800 caching

2009-07-29 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 07/29/2009 at 02:51 EDT, Dieltiens Geert geert.dielti...@inf.vanbreda.be wrote: But in our development VM (with 3 busy VSE guests) I've always used MDC for the Dynam catalog MDISK and never had any problem with it. Within a single z/VM system, MDC is fine as long as you use LINKs

Re: DISCONNECT/LOGOFF HOLD

2009-07-29 Thread Ron Schmiedge
Okay Alan, I'll bite Is there a convenient way to do this? On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Alan Altmarkalan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: On Wednesday, 07/29/2009 at 09:13 EDT, Buettner, Wolfgang wolfgang.buett...@softwareag.com wrote: Is there a way to make the HOLD operand default for use

Re: DISCONNECT/LOGOFF HOLD

2009-07-29 Thread Schuh, Richard
Perhaps get someone else to create the exit :-) Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Schmiedge Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:27 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re:

Re: DISCONNECT/LOGOFF HOLD

2009-07-29 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 07/29/2009 at 03:28 EDT, Ron Schmiedge ron.schmie...@gmail.com wrote: Okay Alan, I'll bite Is there a convenient way to do this? LOL. I wasn't trying to be coy. No, there is no convenient way (as most people don't think writing an exit is convenient). FWIW, to find the

Re: RSU 0902

2009-07-29 Thread Wandschneider, Scott
Mike, Thanks for your good advice and suggestions, it pointed me in the right direction. It turned out that the problem was MAINT did not have the privilege to force off users, it now does. RSU 0902 was applied fully and successfully. PUT2PROD had an issue with building the HELP Segment,

Re: REXX DATE - Julian and Centry

2009-07-29 Thread Peter . Webb
I send you a copy of my NEWDATE EXEC? -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Frank M. Ramaekers Sent: July 29, 2009 15:47 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: REXX DATE - Julian and Centry I don't understand why there is the

Re: REXX DATE - Julian and Centry

2009-07-29 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Frank M. Ramaekers Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 2:47 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: REXX DATE - Julian and Centry I don't understand why there is the following

Re: REXX DATE - Julian and Centry

2009-07-29 Thread Mike Walter
To add to John's suggestions, a slightly different flavor: when=date('B')-1 /* Yesterday */ prevjdate=left(date('O',when,'B'),2)||right(date('D',when,'B'),3,0) when=date('B')+1 /* Tomorrow */

Re: REXX DATE - Julian and Centry

2009-07-29 Thread Edward M Martin
Hello Frank, SAY DATE('D') ' NUMBERS OF DAYS THIS YEAR SAY DATE('J') 'JULIAN DATE Take the number of days, subtract 90, if less than 1, it has to be next year. Does it have to be julian? DATE('B') ' DATE EXPRESSED AS DAYS SINCE 01/01/0001 DATE('C') '

Re: Where is z/VM CSE

2009-07-29 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 07/29/2009 at 11:41 EDT, Rob van der Heij rvdh...@gmail.com wrote: Looking at the part of future that IBM already shared with us about z/VM 6.1, it is not unlikely that your investments on implementing CSE today will be wasted once the goodies in z/VM 6.1 become available to

Re: Where is z/VM CSE

2009-07-29 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Alan Altmarkalan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: The things you learn while implementing CSE (any or all of it) will prove invaluable in the transition to the single system image of the future: So you're really suggesting people to start doing CSE to get up to speed

Re: DISCONNECT/LOGOFF HOLD

2009-07-29 Thread Karl Huf
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Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9

2009-07-29 Thread Graeme Moss
Thank-you Jim you have given me a definite answer. Now I know it pointless talking to the procurement team about going down this path. - Original Message - From: Jim Elliott, IBM jelli...@gdlvm7.vnet.ibm.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:38 AM

Re: DISCONNECT/LOGOFF HOLD

2009-07-29 Thread Richard Troth
The convenient way to do this is to write a DISCONN EXEC and a LOGOFF EXEC. But ... [sigh] ... if I had a dime for every time I wished just the opposite, that an SNA or ICC terminal would go away when I disconnect or log off, that the associated TCP session would close. It's annoying that my

Re: Where is z/VM CSE

2009-07-29 Thread Marcy Cortes
I'd have to agree with Rob here. We have a limited amount of CSE here. Just xlink and only on particular volumes that contain a certain very large server that doesn't want to be down for more than reboot time and we do a lot of PORs. That has its risks too without a true shared directory.

Re: Where is z/VM CSE

2009-07-29 Thread Marcy Cortes
I read this after I sent my last email... Sorry. While these are good points, how would one go about learning the best way to address each of those areas? Is there a white paper, redbook, anything at all documenting a reference implementation? If not, it's no place for the VM system prog with

Re: DISCONNECT/LOGOFF HOLD

2009-07-29 Thread Ron Schmiedge
Yes, when I found out how VM TELNET behaved and how long I had to wait for PCOMM to come back, I wrote this exec: /* add HOLD when on TCPIP */ 'EXECIO 1 CP ( STRING Q CONS' pull cons . . . . . . host tcpip . parm = if host = HOST then if tcpip = TCPIP then parm = HOLD 'CP LOGOFF' parm

DEFINE MDISK

2009-07-29 Thread Gentry, Stephen
Is anyone having problems with the DEFINE MDISK command? I get the following: define mdisk as 1c14 1 5 zz1c14 HCPDEF003E Invalid option - MDISK I am a class A user. We're running VM 5.4 0902 Thanks, Steve

Re: DEFINE MDISK

2009-07-29 Thread Marcy Cortes
Got DEVMAINT? See HELP DEFINE MDISK Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information

Re: DEFINE MDISK

2009-07-29 Thread Dave Jones
Steve, the help file for the CP DEFINE MDISK command notes: The user must be the primary system operator or the user's OPTION directory statement must include the DEVMAINT option. You need to add the DEVMAINT option to your user id. Gentry, Stephen wrote: Is anyone having problems with

Re: DEFINE MDISK

2009-07-29 Thread Wakser, David
Based on the Help: The user must be the primary system operator or the user's OPTION directory statement must include the DEVMAINT option. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Gentry, Stephen Sent: Wednesday,

Re: DISCONNECT/LOGOFF HOLD

2009-07-29 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 07/29/2009 at 06:52 EDT, Ron Schmiedge ron.schmie...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, when I found out how VM TELNET behaved and how long I had to wait for PCOMM to come back, I wrote this exec: : Seems to be working okay, so far. I was hoping Alan really had a more convenient way. I've

Re: Where is z/VM CSE

2009-07-29 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 07/29/2009 at 05:49 EDT, Rob van der Heij rvdh...@gmail.com wrote: So you're really suggesting people to start doing CSE to get up to speed for a future z/VM release? Like getting PVM and RSCS installed? I see that some people started to migrate their Linux data to new volumes

Re: Where is z/VM CSE

2009-07-29 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 07/29/2009 at 06:45 EDT, Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com wrote: While these are good points, how would one go about learning the best way to address each of those areas? Is there a white paper, redbook, anything at all documenting a reference implementation? The